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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 22:10:50
September 27 2013 22:09 GMT
#6021
What? I post here all the time, just never in any section besides this one. The game I currently play at tournament level isn't covered here, I'm a Street Fighter player now
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 27 2013 22:13 GMT
#6022
On September 28 2013 07:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
What? I post here all the time, just never in any section besides this one. The game I currently play at tournament level isn't covered here, I'm a Street Fighter player now


Why aren't you at Canada Cup then, brah?
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 22:17:49
September 27 2013 22:15 GMT
#6023
On September 28 2013 07:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 07:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
What? I post here all the time, just never in any section besides this one. The game I currently play at tournament level isn't covered here, I'm a Street Fighter player now


Why aren't you at Canada Cup then, brah?

DidDo you abuse Akuma? Oh wait he got nerfed?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 22:19:07
September 27 2013 22:18 GMT
#6024
On September 28 2013 07:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 07:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 28 2013 07:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
What? I post here all the time, just never in any section besides this one. The game I currently play at tournament level isn't covered here, I'm a Street Fighter player now


Why aren't you at Canada Cup then, brah?

Do you abuse Akuma?


I only abuse myself. Emotionally and physically.

edit: My Ken is also ultra-weak sauce.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 27 2013 22:19 GMT
#6025
Because it's in Vancouver this year instead of right down the road in Calgary, couldn't afford the trip this year. I need to have a good amount of spare cash to go to CCG events because Lapchi always ropes me into some ridiculous party

And I main Sakura, demon power is for jerks
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 22:35:28
September 27 2013 22:35 GMT
#6026
On September 28 2013 07:18 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 07:15 obesechicken13 wrote:
On September 28 2013 07:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
On September 28 2013 07:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
What? I post here all the time, just never in any section besides this one. The game I currently play at tournament level isn't covered here, I'm a Street Fighter player now


Why aren't you at Canada Cup then, brah?

Do you abuse Akuma?


I only abuse myself. Emotionally and physically.

edit: My Ken is also ultra-weak sauce.

This might help you: + Show Spoiler +
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phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
September 27 2013 22:40 GMT
#6027
On September 28 2013 06:51 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:42 Requizen wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:40 DonKey_ wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn

I still think Quinn is cool. I should play her some more. I only think she's underwhelming in duo bot, I like her more bullying bruisers top lane.

I feel like once the bruiser in top lane buys Doran Shield and Tabi, they just run you over.

@Jinx - she looks ridiculous at first glance, but she also has the WORST AS IN THE GAME - you are TOTALLY reliant on that machine gun passive, and your rocket launcher might have kogmaw range on demand but it doesn't have anything like Kog's typical AS or damage.

Granted, only played her vs. bots so far, but being a no-free-gapclose AD carry is tricky.


She has the same base AS as caitlyn. With machine gun at level 9 she's 100% AS up on caitlyn after taking per level into account. It's possible that at 525 range machine gun will have difficulty vs a bully like cait but I'd never underestimate the power of stats. She's going to get to use all that AS vs divers at the very least.

On September 28 2013 07:00 Ketara wrote:
The point is that there are some abilities that are just super awesome regardless of what the numbers are. Shen ult for example. As long as it does what Shen ult does it will be strong fairly regardless of the cooldown or the shield amount.

There are other abilities where slight number tweaks can change an ability from OP to UP very quickly.


While shen ult is pretty amazing I have seen tons of abilities where people say "THIS MECHANIC IS INNATELY BROKEN" and it ends up not mattering at all because its numbers and situations just weren't in its favor. Make shen ult have 8 second channel or 4 minute cd and it becomes much more (though not entirely) useless.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 27 2013 22:42 GMT
#6028
well, if you tweak the range on q, then it may become a worthless ability altogether. there's a delicate balance between skill point efficiency and hero OPness. but they could do something like make it bad with 1 or 2 points but scale better with full points. this way there's a tradeoff between burst and harass ability
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 27 2013 22:45 GMT
#6029
On September 28 2013 07:40 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:51 sylverfyre wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:42 Requizen wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:40 DonKey_ wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn

I still think Quinn is cool. I should play her some more. I only think she's underwhelming in duo bot, I like her more bullying bruisers top lane.

I feel like once the bruiser in top lane buys Doran Shield and Tabi, they just run you over.

@Jinx - she looks ridiculous at first glance, but she also has the WORST AS IN THE GAME - you are TOTALLY reliant on that machine gun passive, and your rocket launcher might have kogmaw range on demand but it doesn't have anything like Kog's typical AS or damage.

Granted, only played her vs. bots so far, but being a no-free-gapclose AD carry is tricky.


She has the same base AS as caitlyn. With machine gun at level 9 she's 100% AS up on caitlyn after taking per level into account. It's possible that at 525 range machine gun will have difficulty vs a bully like cait but I'd never underestimate the power of stats. She's going to get to use all that AS vs divers at the very least.

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 07:00 Ketara wrote:
The point is that there are some abilities that are just super awesome regardless of what the numbers are. Shen ult for example. As long as it does what Shen ult does it will be strong fairly regardless of the cooldown or the shield amount.

There are other abilities where slight number tweaks can change an ability from OP to UP very quickly.


While shen ult is pretty amazing I have seen tons of abilities where people say "THIS MECHANIC IS INNATELY BROKEN" and it ends up not mattering at all because its numbers and situations just weren't in its favor. Make shen ult have 8 second channel or 4 minute cd and it becomes much more (though not entirely) useless.

iirc there was also a stretch of time where Shen was barely used because they made the rest of his kit so weak that his ult couldn't even make up for it
It's your boy Guzma!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 22:49:24
September 27 2013 22:47 GMT
#6030
Yeah people forget that Shen got a pretty major rework to start seeing play again. That rework resulted in him being overall much stronger in lane and having smoother power development since E's usefulness wasn't so rank-dependent compared to how it was before.

It also made his energy management a HELL of a lot better.
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 22:55:32
September 27 2013 22:49 GMT
#6031
I remember that patch... The final blow that toppled AD Sona that was the patch that nerfed her early burst damage with Power Chord
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
September 27 2013 22:57 GMT
#6032
On September 28 2013 07:09 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
What? I post here all the time, just never in any section besides this one. The game I currently play at tournament level isn't covered here, I'm a Street Fighter player now

Nice to see you switched from RTS to turn-based strategy.

(GOD STREET FIGHTER 4 IS SO FUCKING SLOW)
The legend of Darien lives on
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 27 2013 23:03 GMT
#6033
Still more dynamic than Injustice or Mortal Kombat.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 27 2013 23:04 GMT
#6034
It is, in a way, but there's a lot of people playing it and for all its perceived derpiness it's a solid fucking game at high level play. It doesn't deserve a fraction of the flak it gets.

That said, I find KoF13 much more interesting, and I've been playing it a lot
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
September 27 2013 23:07 GMT
#6035
On September 28 2013 06:06 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.


It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring.


Really it's more sensible from a design perspective than starting out with the champion useless and toning skills upwards.

In general when something is too strong it's easier to see than when something isn't, so you have a better idea of what to adjust. Most of the major video game developers approach balance this way, start OP and then tone it down.

And in general if the initial look at the champion is roflop, people will be more interested, whereas, and I know this sounds crazy, even though we're going LOL RIOT POWER CREEP if the champion looked absolutely useless we'd be saying worse things.

That said, her numbers look far and beyond more ridic than the last several champions, it is a little surprising.

And it's easier to sell an OP champ than a weakass champ too.
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
September 27 2013 23:12 GMT
#6036
On September 28 2013 07:49 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
I remember that patch... The final blow that toppled AD Sona that was the patch that nerfed her early burst damage with Power Chord


That was the patch that Cloud9157's high elo friends said Shen wouldn't be strong. I'll never forget!
Hey! How you doin'?
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
September 27 2013 23:13 GMT
#6037
As someone who grew up on the KOF series as a kid in South Korea, KOFXIII is seriously amazing.... it's probably the best KOF since the legendary KOF98.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 27 2013 23:14 GMT
#6038
On September 28 2013 07:40 phyvo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:51 sylverfyre wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:42 Requizen wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:40 DonKey_ wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn

I still think Quinn is cool. I should play her some more. I only think she's underwhelming in duo bot, I like her more bullying bruisers top lane.

I feel like once the bruiser in top lane buys Doran Shield and Tabi, they just run you over.

@Jinx - she looks ridiculous at first glance, but she also has the WORST AS IN THE GAME - you are TOTALLY reliant on that machine gun passive, and your rocket launcher might have kogmaw range on demand but it doesn't have anything like Kog's typical AS or damage.

Granted, only played her vs. bots so far, but being a no-free-gapclose AD carry is tricky.


She has the same base AS as caitlyn. With machine gun at level 9 she's 100% AS up on caitlyn after taking per level into account. It's possible that at 525 range machine gun will have difficulty vs a bully like cait but I'd never underestimate the power of stats. She's going to get to use all that AS vs divers at the very least.

Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 07:00 Ketara wrote:
The point is that there are some abilities that are just super awesome regardless of what the numbers are. Shen ult for example. As long as it does what Shen ult does it will be strong fairly regardless of the cooldown or the shield amount.

There are other abilities where slight number tweaks can change an ability from OP to UP very quickly.


While shen ult is pretty amazing I have seen tons of abilities where people say "THIS MECHANIC IS INNATELY BROKEN" and it ends up not mattering at all because its numbers and situations just weren't in its favor. Make shen ult have 8 second channel or 4 minute cd and it becomes much more (though not entirely) useless.


That just reminds me how much I hate long Cooldown ultimates. I know they use it as a "balance" tool, but it makes it really lame When all the globals are like 200 S earlygame, or even things like Curse of the Sad Mummy and Crowstorm. A terribly unfun way of balancing is the longer cooldown.
Freeeeeeedom
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
September 27 2013 23:14 GMT
#6039
Anyone here uses lolreplay? I heard that league was crashing because of it these days, has it been fixed? does it work now?
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
September 27 2013 23:16 GMT
#6040
On September 28 2013 08:14 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 07:40 phyvo wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:51 sylverfyre wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:42 Requizen wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:40 DonKey_ wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn

I still think Quinn is cool. I should play her some more. I only think she's underwhelming in duo bot, I like her more bullying bruisers top lane.

I feel like once the bruiser in top lane buys Doran Shield and Tabi, they just run you over.

@Jinx - she looks ridiculous at first glance, but she also has the WORST AS IN THE GAME - you are TOTALLY reliant on that machine gun passive, and your rocket launcher might have kogmaw range on demand but it doesn't have anything like Kog's typical AS or damage.

Granted, only played her vs. bots so far, but being a no-free-gapclose AD carry is tricky.


She has the same base AS as caitlyn. With machine gun at level 9 she's 100% AS up on caitlyn after taking per level into account. It's possible that at 525 range machine gun will have difficulty vs a bully like cait but I'd never underestimate the power of stats. She's going to get to use all that AS vs divers at the very least.

On September 28 2013 07:00 Ketara wrote:
The point is that there are some abilities that are just super awesome regardless of what the numbers are. Shen ult for example. As long as it does what Shen ult does it will be strong fairly regardless of the cooldown or the shield amount.

There are other abilities where slight number tweaks can change an ability from OP to UP very quickly.


While shen ult is pretty amazing I have seen tons of abilities where people say "THIS MECHANIC IS INNATELY BROKEN" and it ends up not mattering at all because its numbers and situations just weren't in its favor. Make shen ult have 8 second channel or 4 minute cd and it becomes much more (though not entirely) useless.


That just reminds me how much I hate long Cooldown ultimates. I know they use it as a "balance" tool, but it makes it really lame When all the globals are like 200 S earlygame, or even things like Curse of the Sad Mummy and Crowstorm. A terribly unfun way of balancing is the longer cooldown.


But then it'd be unfun if they were half as good.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
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