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wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
September 27 2013 21:28 GMT
#6001
1v1 TL GD king of the hill with all losers getting banned. gogo?
BW -> League -> CSGO
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
September 27 2013 21:29 GMT
#6002
On September 28 2013 06:19 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:02 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.


It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring.


They released two adc this year (Quinn and Lucian) and neither of them is OP in my eyes, far from it.

Dunno about Quinn, but Lucian was pretty nutso when first released onto PBE.


I had in mind live release, not PBE release, in which case Doctorbeat can absolutly be right (I don't play on the PBE).
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 27 2013 21:33 GMT
#6003
On September 28 2013 06:27 Requizen wrote:
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On September 28 2013 06:22 Diamond wrote:
PBE Jinx is absurd. I could farm faster with her in the jungle than I could with Shyvana, all while spending a grand total of 0 mana (just using machine-gun Q alone). I know she's not a jungler, but yea I shouldn't be able to outfarm the queen of quick clears.

Also her W has like 48,000 range, so although she has no gap closer you can w people from a mile out and just run up on them.

She will get nerfed, several times I expect. Right now from the jungle side she's a Top 5 jungle except her ult.

Plz no nerfs I love her already and I always wanted a jungle Marksman.


As do I. She can do it in the current form, but I am sure she will get hit before than.
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
September 27 2013 21:39 GMT
#6004
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan
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DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
September 27 2013 21:40 GMT
#6005
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 27 2013 21:42 GMT
#6006
On September 28 2013 06:40 DonKey_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn

I still think Quinn is cool. I should play her some more. I only think she's underwhelming in duo bot, I like her more bullying bruisers top lane.
It's your boy Guzma!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 27 2013 21:45 GMT
#6007
even if they tweak the numbers, it feels like she can do too many things, at least when farmed up.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 21:54:28
September 27 2013 21:51 GMT
#6008
On September 28 2013 06:42 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:40 DonKey_ wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn

I still think Quinn is cool. I should play her some more. I only think she's underwhelming in duo bot, I like her more bullying bruisers top lane.

I feel like once the bruiser in top lane buys Doran Shield and Tabi, they just run you over.

@Jinx - she looks ridiculous at first glance, but she also has the WORST AS IN THE GAME - you are TOTALLY reliant on that machine gun passive, and your rocket launcher might have kogmaw range on demand but it doesn't have anything like Kog's typical AS or damage.

Granted, only played her vs. bots so far, but being a no-free-gapclose AD carry is tricky.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 21:53:30
September 27 2013 21:51 GMT
#6009
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

IIRC a rioter once said that they have 2 versions of a champion, too weak and too strong. Depending on how they feel is closer to balanced, they push one out onto the PBE.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 27 2013 21:52 GMT
#6010
On September 28 2013 06:51 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:42 Requizen wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:40 DonKey_ wrote:
On September 28 2013 06:39 xes wrote:
Riot's plan is to release hilarious broken champions on to PBE so that they stir up controversy and publicity and maybe convince baddies that they need to buy the new OP champ

You guys are just adding to the hype and buying into their master world domination plan

I prefer this method to the underwhelming releases. ex. Quinn

I still think Quinn is cool. I should play her some more. I only think she's underwhelming in duo bot, I like her more bullying bruisers top lane.

I feel like once the bruiser in top lane buys Doran Shield and Tabi, they just run you over.

Most shouldn't be able to reach you between passive MS/Vault/Blind if they get there, but then again I haven't played her since release and am likely wrong.
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 27 2013 21:53 GMT
#6011
On September 28 2013 06:45 oneofthem wrote:
even if they tweak the numbers, it feels like she can do too many things, at least when farmed up.


I dunno, all of her abilities look pretty susceptible to numbers tweaks.

If the bonus range on her rocket launcher dropped her max range from 700 to 625, her attackspeed steroid dropped from 130% to 75%, her W dropped from 1450 range to 800 and the slow from 70% to 35%, and her snare dropped from 1.5 secs to 0.5 secs, would you still see her as too strong?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
September 27 2013 21:56 GMT
#6012
Jinx is ugly as hell, but I'll buy her because I buy every AD and every support without question
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Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
September 27 2013 21:57 GMT
#6013
On September 28 2013 06:53 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:45 oneofthem wrote:
even if they tweak the numbers, it feels like she can do too many things, at least when farmed up.


I dunno, all of her abilities look pretty susceptible to numbers tweaks.

If the bonus range on her rocket launcher dropped her max range from 700 to 625, her attackspeed steroid dropped from 130% to 75%, her W dropped from 1450 range to 800 and the slow from 70% to 35%, and her snare dropped from 1.5 secs to 0.5 secs, would you still see her as too strong?

If Mundos W was double damage he would be Op
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 27 2013 22:00 GMT
#6014
The point is that there are some abilities that are just super awesome regardless of what the numbers are. Shen ult for example. As long as it does what Shen ult does it will be strong fairly regardless of the cooldown or the shield amount.

There are other abilities where slight number tweaks can change an ability from OP to UP very quickly.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 27 2013 22:03 GMT
#6015
On September 28 2013 06:28 wussleeQ wrote:
1v1 TL GD king of the hill with all losers getting banned. gogo?


The winner would be the loneliest poster ever for 2 days
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 27 2013 22:04 GMT
#6016
On September 28 2013 07:03 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:28 wussleeQ wrote:
1v1 TL GD king of the hill with all losers getting banned. gogo?


The winner would be the loneliest poster ever for 2 days

The europeans will keep him company :D
Glorious SEA doto
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 27 2013 22:05 GMT
#6017
On September 28 2013 06:53 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:45 oneofthem wrote:
even if they tweak the numbers, it feels like she can do too many things, at least when farmed up.


I dunno, all of her abilities look pretty susceptible to numbers tweaks.

If the bonus range on her rocket launcher dropped her max range from 700 to 625, her attackspeed steroid dropped from 130% to 75%, her W dropped from 1450 range to 800 and the slow from 70% to 35%, and her snare dropped from 1.5 secs to 0.5 secs, would you still see her as too strong?

i guess iwasn't being clear.

the range is a big part of the problem, because she looks like an insane lane harasser with a level of q and yet, has all this burst potential. changing an adc's range is a qualitative difference in how it plays, and there is supposed to be tradeoffs to facilitate choice of strategy and picks.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 27 2013 22:06 GMT
#6018
Yeah just looking at the numbers the range looks to be pretty ridiculous. But range can be tweaked (Ryzelol)
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 27 2013 22:07 GMT
#6019
On September 28 2013 06:56 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
Jinx is ugly as hell, but I'll buy her because I buy every AD and every support without question

How come you never post here? do mods generally use alts?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 27 2013 22:09 GMT
#6020
it costs mana per shot for the range no?
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