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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
September 27 2013 20:41 GMT
#5981
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
September 27 2013 20:41 GMT
#5982
I can totes cast this as long as it's later on at night.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 27 2013 20:41 GMT
#5983
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 20:53:09
September 27 2013 20:48 GMT
#5984
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
September 27 2013 20:54 GMT
#5985
If you know you're gonna win, why dodge ban even if you're playing mafia. Just beat the noob and then laugh at him being b& whiel you're still playing mafia.

Displays the utmost BM possible. High risk, high reward. The stuff of champions
God Bless
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
September 27 2013 20:56 GMT
#5986
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.


It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 27 2013 20:57 GMT
#5987
Besides, if you dodge you join a... less than popular group of individuals on this forum.
It's your boy Guzma!
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 27 2013 20:58 GMT
#5988
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.

You can have horizontal asymptotes...
MCMilo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States365 Posts
September 27 2013 21:00 GMT
#5989
Roffles is inviting you to disneyland. Do you accept?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 27 2013 21:01 GMT
#5990
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.

It feels like her weakness would be hard engages and diving assassins. Depending on how hard the slow is and how easy to hit, and how long the snare takes to prime, she has no self peel and no escape.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-27 21:02:51
September 27 2013 21:01 GMT
#5991
On September 28 2013 05:34 onlywonderboy wrote:
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On September 28 2013 05:31 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:29 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:27 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:25 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:23 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:19 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:12 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:59 cLutZ wrote:
On September 28 2013 04:39 Numy wrote:
Well if it is real the move on it's own isn't bad news for NA. Xpecial isn't like some of the other older pros(Scarra/Regi) who underperform constantly, he's shown really strong play at times so it's not just recycling used up talent. TSMs response could be bad but pointless to speculate on something we don't even know if is true or not.


Speculating on things is kinda the point of this thread.

As I've said before, it's a hallmark of any sports discussion. Also, I swear to god, if someone even suggests that all pro talk needs to be in it's own thread you will have made an enemy for the rest of your time on TL.


so fking tempted

Enemy.


1v1 me bro

on stream

lets dew this

writers showdown

for all of NA

Fuck


Blind pick mid 1v1 except the player chooses his opponent's Champions

lez dew it

Edit: Winner gets god status, loser eats 2-day temp and must change sig to viktor's choice


FTFY

Real stakes? That's rough. We'll figure out a date, ban would have to wait until after I'm out of this TL Mafia game though.

Wait wat?
Which game are you currently in?!?!

Edit: Oh shits he's in the most recent newbie! Recruitment successful!

We need moar people to come over and play mafia--- tons of fun guise.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
NpG)Explosive
Profile Joined January 2003
France994 Posts
September 27 2013 21:02 GMT
#5992
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.


It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring.


They released two adc this year (Quinn and Lucian) and neither of them is OP in my eyes, far from it.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
September 27 2013 21:06 GMT
#5993
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.


It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring.


Really it's more sensible from a design perspective than starting out with the champion useless and toning skills upwards.

In general when something is too strong it's easier to see than when something isn't, so you have a better idea of what to adjust. Most of the major video game developers approach balance this way, start OP and then tone it down.

And in general if the initial look at the champion is roflop, people will be more interested, whereas, and I know this sounds crazy, even though we're going LOL RIOT POWER CREEP if the champion looked absolutely useless we'd be saying worse things.

That said, her numbers look far and beyond more ridic than the last several champions, it is a little surprising.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
riotjune
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States3394 Posts
September 27 2013 21:13 GMT
#5994
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.

This would certainly help sales.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 27 2013 21:14 GMT
#5995
Look at it this way:
You have 700 range, a 10% damage increase, and an Anivia wall that roots whoever dashes through it for 1.5s.

And you thought Caitlyn was good at taking towers?

She has the highest base AD of all marksmen (although she's tied for lowest base AS and has abysmal %AS/level (1%) to make up for her steroids), and her ult's base damage beats Graves' even without taking the %missing health part into account, and on top of having greater range, hitbox and lower cooldown (it's not as fast though).
She has a highly spammable 1450 range poke with a 1.4 total AD ratio and an almost instant projectile (it has a long wind-up and is supposed to show where it'll go, kinda like Lucian's Q) that happens to slow for up to 70%, combining with the cooldown for a potentially massive 30%+ uptime.
She can choose between a refreshable AS steroid that would make pre-rework Jax weep in shame and splash damage that applies crit and a 10% damage increase depending on needs.

She probably doesn't beat Corki when it comes to sheer AoE burst and poke, nor Varus and Ashe when it comes to AoE cc/initiation, nor Graves for midgame insta-burst execution of squishies (she gets damn close with several rocket launcher shots into ult tho, even worse if she gets to root people with her E), but she's better than all of them in about every area I didn't associate with each one of them.



Now, it's the PBE, so it's bound to change (point in case being will they manage to be reasonable), it's mostly stuff that you can tune with numbers (not only damage, but also not making her goddamn ult ramp up its damage over only one. Single. Second.), and she appears to lack an escape at least until she gets a kill/assist.

Quinn probably isn't OP, doesn't mean she's bad though. However, considering what she currently has to deal with (Zed, Ahri, etc. how does she fare against Fizz?) and that when she was released she was severely outperformed by stuff like TF and Kassadin (and later Ahri) in the roaming department, it doesn't help with assessing her strength right.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 27 2013 21:19 GMT
#5996
On September 28 2013 06:02 NpG)Explosive wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.


It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring.


They released two adc this year (Quinn and Lucian) and neither of them is OP in my eyes, far from it.

Dunno about Quinn, but Lucian was pretty nutso when first released onto PBE.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 27 2013 21:22 GMT
#5997
PBE Jinx is absurd. I could farm faster with her in the jungle than I could with Shyvana, all while spending a grand total of 0 mana (just using machine-gun Q alone). I know she's not a jungler, but yea I shouldn't be able to outfarm the queen of quick clears.

Also her W has like 48,000 range, so although she has no gap closer you can w people from a mile out and just run up on them.

She will get nerfed, several times I expect. Right now from the jungle side she's a Top 5 jungle except her ult.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 27 2013 21:22 GMT
#5998
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.

I concur. Its hilariously powerful right now. Her ult is quite dumb because of the execute as well. The numbers are so wacky that its hard to evaluate the kit.
Freeeeeeedom
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 27 2013 21:23 GMT
#5999
On September 28 2013 06:19 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 28 2013 06:02 NpG)Explosive wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote:
I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid.


Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue?


A little of column A, a little of column B.

Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her.

Her power curve is an asymptote.


It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring.


They released two adc this year (Quinn and Lucian) and neither of them is OP in my eyes, far from it.

Dunno about Quinn, but Lucian was pretty nutso when first released onto PBE.


The AP Lucian, lol.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 27 2013 21:27 GMT
#6000
On September 28 2013 06:22 Diamond wrote:
PBE Jinx is absurd. I could farm faster with her in the jungle than I could with Shyvana, all while spending a grand total of 0 mana (just using machine-gun Q alone). I know she's not a jungler, but yea I shouldn't be able to outfarm the queen of quick clears.

Also her W has like 48,000 range, so although she has no gap closer you can w people from a mile out and just run up on them.

She will get nerfed, several times I expect. Right now from the jungle side she's a Top 5 jungle except her ult.

Plz no nerfs I love her already and I always wanted a jungle Marksman.
It's your boy Guzma!
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