EPT[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 300
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote: I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid. Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue? | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:41 AsmodeusXI wrote: Is the kit too strong or is it just a numbers issue? A little of column A, a little of column B. Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her. Her power curve is an asymptote. | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Displays the utmost BM possible. High risk, high reward. The stuff of champions | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote: A little of column A, a little of column B. Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her. Her power curve is an asymptote. It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote: A little of column A, a little of column B. Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her. Her power curve is an asymptote. You can have horizontal asymptotes... | ||
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MCMilo
United States365 Posts
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote: A little of column A, a little of column B. Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her. Her power curve is an asymptote. It feels like her weakness would be hard engages and diving assassins. Depending on how hard the slow is and how easy to hit, and how long the snare takes to prime, she has no self peel and no escape. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:34 onlywonderboy wrote: Real stakes? That's rough. We'll figure out a date, ban would have to wait until after I'm out of this TL Mafia game though. Wait wat? Which game are you currently in?!?! Edit: Oh shits he's in the most recent newbie! Recruitment successful! We need moar people to come over and play mafia--- tons of fun guise. | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote: It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring. They released two adc this year (Quinn and Lucian) and neither of them is OP in my eyes, far from it. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:56 Doctorbeat wrote: It does seem to be Riot's way of balancing champions though. Start out OP, then start twiddling dials and toning skills down till they're a bit more boring. Really it's more sensible from a design perspective than starting out with the champion useless and toning skills upwards. In general when something is too strong it's easier to see than when something isn't, so you have a better idea of what to adjust. Most of the major video game developers approach balance this way, start OP and then tone it down. And in general if the initial look at the champion is roflop, people will be more interested, whereas, and I know this sounds crazy, even though we're going LOL RIOT POWER CREEP if the champion looked absolutely useless we'd be saying worse things. That said, her numbers look far and beyond more ridic than the last several champions, it is a little surprising. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:48 Seuss wrote: A little of column A, a little of column B. Basically every ability she has is too strong. 70-130% free Attack Speed makes it hard for anyone to win against her in a skirmish. 600-700 range + traps makes it hard for anyone to harass her. 1450 range on a cheap, low CD skill shot nuke makes it hard to zone her. God help anyone who tries to 1v2 versus her. Her power curve is an asymptote. This would certainly help sales. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
You have 700 range, a 10% damage increase, and an Anivia wall that roots whoever dashes through it for 1.5s. And you thought Caitlyn was good at taking towers? She has the highest base AD of all marksmen (although she's tied for lowest base AS and has abysmal %AS/level (1%) to make up for her steroids), and her ult's base damage beats Graves' even without taking the %missing health part into account, and on top of having greater range, hitbox and lower cooldown (it's not as fast though). She has a highly spammable 1450 range poke with a 1.4 total AD ratio and an almost instant projectile (it has a long wind-up and is supposed to show where it'll go, kinda like Lucian's Q) that happens to slow for up to 70%, combining with the cooldown for a potentially massive 30%+ uptime. She can choose between a refreshable AS steroid that would make pre-rework Jax weep in shame and splash damage that applies crit and a 10% damage increase depending on needs. She probably doesn't beat Corki when it comes to sheer AoE burst and poke, nor Varus and Ashe when it comes to AoE cc/initiation, nor Graves for midgame insta-burst execution of squishies (she gets damn close with several rocket launcher shots into ult tho, even worse if she gets to root people with her E), but she's better than all of them in about every area I didn't associate with each one of them. Now, it's the PBE, so it's bound to change (point in case being will they manage to be reasonable), it's mostly stuff that you can tune with numbers (not only damage, but also not making her goddamn ult ramp up its damage over only one. Single. Second.), and she appears to lack an escape at least until she gets a kill/assist. Quinn probably isn't OP, doesn't mean she's bad though. However, considering what she currently has to deal with (Zed, Ahri, etc. how does she fare against Fizz?) and that when she was released she was severely outperformed by stuff like TF and Kassadin (and later Ahri) in the roaming department, it doesn't help with assessing her strength right. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 28 2013 06:02 NpG)Explosive wrote: They released two adc this year (Quinn and Lucian) and neither of them is OP in my eyes, far from it. Dunno about Quinn, but Lucian was pretty nutso when first released onto PBE. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Also her W has like 48,000 range, so although she has no gap closer you can w people from a mile out and just run up on them. She will get nerfed, several times I expect. Right now from the jungle side she's a Top 5 jungle except her ult. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 28 2013 05:41 Seuss wrote: I have returned from the PBE, and right now Jinx is release LeBlanc/Xin Zhao/Vayne levels of stupid. I concur. Its hilariously powerful right now. Her ult is quite dumb because of the execute as well. The numbers are so wacky that its hard to evaluate the kit. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On September 28 2013 06:19 Ryuu314 wrote: Dunno about Quinn, but Lucian was pretty nutso when first released onto PBE. The AP Lucian, lol. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On September 28 2013 06:22 Diamond wrote: PBE Jinx is absurd. I could farm faster with her in the jungle than I could with Shyvana, all while spending a grand total of 0 mana (just using machine-gun Q alone). I know she's not a jungler, but yea I shouldn't be able to outfarm the queen of quick clears. Also her W has like 48,000 range, so although she has no gap closer you can w people from a mile out and just run up on them. She will get nerfed, several times I expect. Right now from the jungle side she's a Top 5 jungle except her ult. Plz no nerfs I love her already and I always wanted a jungle Marksman. | ||
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