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Frudgey
Canada3367 Posts
In what ways do you guys play mid lane differently from top lane? Even though they are both single lanes, they just feel like that they warrant different play styles. Maybe it's just me though. Maybe you play them similar and I'm just mad. Regardless, the mid lane feels foreign to me. | ||
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 05 2013 09:47 kainzero wrote: I think the reason she's not played mid is because nobody on the professional level plays her consistently. She's definitely a serviceable mid. She's not top tier, but she's not weak either. Mid is also one of the most robust roles in pubs, it probably has the most potentially playable champions. Zyra is a niche mid who's niche has been forced out of the Pro meta currently because of Divers that are OP (like Cassiopia). She is part of the Orianna/Anivia/Karthus metagame, which Karthus and Ori transitioned well out of because of Ori E and Karth Passive. Anivia, Lux, etc haven't survived the onslaught so well, but those champs, Morgana (maybe), and Zyra will be back in mid once the game is fixed. | ||
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thenexusp
United States3721 Posts
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On September 05 2013 05:59 WaveofShadow wrote: <3 I'm not sure how exciting I ever made stuff really sound but thanks. Don't underestimate the ability to play off of someone/be played off of. People can be good at separate things when casting but when you bring them together it's always magic like we had.  I've definitely let my casting skillz go to pasture though and I don't see me seriously busting them out anytime soon to re-improve. We should stream something tonight though. Yolo Q, IH casting...anything. I miss you buddeh. We had funz. I actually have a little time without freaking myself out now over first week in clinic. *bro hug* I'm currently waiting on pizza that I ordered. I'm sure I could be convinced into a couple games after I eat... | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 05 2013 10:05 thenexusp wrote: Zyra is still a fine mid. If you believe Riot's live balance team Janna is still a fine mid too. The argument isn't that she loses lane, it's that global pressure and roaming is really strong at the moment. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On September 05 2013 09:20 Haiq343 wrote: I think that the important part of the change in Riot's approach isn't that they stopped 'olafing' champions and opted for more moderate changes, but that there's continued attention to those changes. It's not a one off and hope it works, or in Olaf's case removes the issue completely. You could, if you so desired, flirt with the overnerf and then rebuff as required and end up in essentially the same place provided the willingness to revisit changes remains. Personally I think Zac's sustain while annoying wasn't the critically broken part of the champion, though it may have further fueled the problem. Rather, the mobility range and silly high base damages seem out of place. This (very slight) nerf may make Zac weak enough in lane that those issues are masked, but I think it makes his kit lopsided in the uninteresting way (as opposed to the cool design way). I really don't think Zac's blob passive is in any way the reason for his OPness. It's certainly part of it, but honestly it's more the fact that he has pretty insane burst AND sustained damage all while having arguably one of if not the best initiation in the game. I think they should probably just straight up remove the damage on Zac's E and/or make it so his R does the same amount of damage on all bounces and lower the damage on the first bounce. | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 05 2013 09:53 Frudgey wrote: Man I try and understand mid lane but I can't do it. I think my top lane mentality is slowly corrupting me. In what ways do you guys play mid lane differently from top lane? Even though they are both single lanes, they just feel like that they warrant different play styles. Maybe it's just me though. Maybe you play them similar and I'm just mad. Regardless, the mid lane feels foreign to me. Depends what kind of midlaners do you play, and the matchup. Mid lane gets away with being more greedy about farm/lane punishment, however backing can be heavily punished at early levels. | ||
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seRapH
United States9758 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 05 2013 10:29 seRapH wrote: Every lane gets heavily punished at early levels depending on the creep waves and who you're facing. I don't think its more prevalent mid than anywhere else. Well, in top lane match ups, early on its pretty hard for the enemy top laner to shove out a lane and get it to reset, especially without jungler help, so if you die in a 1v1, you're usually only down a kill's worth of gold and a few creeps of xp/gold, which sorta sucks. In mid, more often than naught, you're down a kill's worth of gold, and a wave of xp. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
i think the most angry i have ever been at this game was laning against release zyra ...or maybe release rengar | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
On September 05 2013 10:04 cLutZ wrote: Zyra is a niche mid who's niche has been forced out of the Pro meta currently because of Divers that are OP (like Cassiopia) cass rotated back into being a competitive pick? | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21243 Posts
not that i necessarily agree but i think that's what he was saying | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 05 2013 10:34 UniversalSnip wrote: cass rotated back into being a competitive pick? Intentionally trying to make my sentence say the opposite of what I meant? IG picked Cassio in quarters/groups. CLG tried it 2x in groups (lost). And that was when Diana was still at her best. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On September 05 2013 10:07 sylverfyre wrote: A mid can be fine and not broken / not needing buffs or nerfs while also not being a useful pick for the current competitive scene. Agreed. Some champions are just fine as is outside the competitive scene. Kassadin is a good example. People base their champion picks off competitive way too much, but in normal pub play lots of champions can be completely viable and good. They have weaknesses that can be abused if the other team knows it and executes/picks at the highest level, but otherwise they're fine. | ||
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