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Frudgey
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada3367 Posts
September 05 2013 00:53 GMT
#321
Man I try and understand mid lane but I can't do it. I think my top lane mentality is slowly corrupting me.

In what ways do you guys play mid lane differently from top lane? Even though they are both single lanes, they just feel like that they warrant different play styles. Maybe it's just me though. Maybe you play them similar and I'm just mad.

Regardless, the mid lane feels foreign to me.
It is better to die for The Emperor than live for yourself.
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
September 05 2013 01:02 GMT
#322
Push constantly and try to roam is a baseline. The best play you can do in the early game is kill bot lane and take a dragon. Of course, that's a lot harder than it sounds.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 05 2013 01:04 GMT
#323
On September 05 2013 09:47 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 09:39 Slusher wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:36 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:26 Slusher wrote:
She does fine mid, but she's really fucking slow so her roaming isn't amazing, so you basically get a 1v1 farming statue, who transitions into a team fight monster, which is decent, just not what most people are playing at the moment.

The most disappointing part of Zac for me still is that he isn't amorphous like the preview hinted he might be, what a complete failure to take advantage of unlimited possibilities his character design is.

To me, all this read is "She's Karthus without global pressure."


I almost actually wrote that exact thing when I was writing that lol. She does have more CC, but the reason people don't play her is pretty much what Gahlo said to a T, I would say her teamfight is a bit stronger though, more up front burst instead of post mordem.

she can however snowball a lane better than Karthus should her lane opponent happen to fuck up a couple times.

I think the reason she's not played mid is because nobody on the professional level plays her consistently. She's definitely a serviceable mid. She's not top tier, but she's not weak either.

Mid is also one of the most robust roles in pubs, it probably has the most potentially playable champions.


Zyra is a niche mid who's niche has been forced out of the Pro meta currently because of Divers that are OP (like Cassiopia). She is part of the Orianna/Anivia/Karthus metagame, which Karthus and Ori transitioned well out of because of Ori E and Karth Passive. Anivia, Lux, etc haven't survived the onslaught so well, but those champs, Morgana (maybe), and Zyra will be back in mid once the game is fixed.
Freeeeeeedom
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
September 05 2013 01:05 GMT
#324
Zyra is still a fine mid. If you believe Riot's live balance team Janna is still a fine mid too.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
September 05 2013 01:06 GMT
#325
On September 05 2013 05:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 05:55 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 05 2013 05:52 Amethyst21 wrote:
On September 05 2013 05:44 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On September 05 2013 05:28 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote:
God I hate Rivington


To be fair, he's gotten loads better.


I treat him like background noise. Sometimes he just strings together words that just sound good together, but don't have any actual meaning. It's whatever, he's fine as long as you pair him with someone that does the analysis, he is a good play by play guy and he does make things *sound* exciting, which is his job.

Mostly I avoid critiquing play by play guys, because I've tried to do it - just alone in my room and I can tell I sound stupid, so I'm just glad I'm not the one doing it.


Precisely. Which is why I always gave Wave a lot of credit when we were casting AHGL because I personally can't watch and talk fast enough, or make things particularly exciting without it sounding too fake.

Play by play is really difficult to be good at. Analysis casters have the knowledge and can take the time to think through what they want to say as they're saying it. Play by play casters have to react very quickly to what's going on and make it sound good at the same time.

Riv isn't my favorite, but he's improved from what he once was.

<3 I'm not sure how exciting I ever made stuff really sound but thanks. Don't underestimate the ability to play off of someone/be played off of. People can be good at separate things when casting but when you bring them together it's always magic like we had.
I've definitely let my casting skillz go to pasture though and I don't see me seriously busting them out anytime soon to re-improve.

We should stream something tonight though. Yolo Q, IH casting...anything. I miss you buddeh. We had funz. I actually have a little time without freaking myself out now over first week in clinic.


*bro hug*

I'm currently waiting on pizza that I ordered. I'm sure I could be convinced into a couple games after I eat...
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 05 2013 01:06 GMT
#326
On September 05 2013 10:05 thenexusp wrote:
Zyra is still a fine mid. If you believe Riot's live balance team Janna is still a fine mid too.


The argument isn't that she loses lane, it's that global pressure and roaming is really strong at the moment.
Carrilord has arrived.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
September 05 2013 01:06 GMT
#327
On September 05 2013 09:20 Haiq343 wrote:
I think that the important part of the change in Riot's approach isn't that they stopped 'olafing' champions and opted for more moderate changes, but that there's continued attention to those changes. It's not a one off and hope it works, or in Olaf's case removes the issue completely. You could, if you so desired, flirt with the overnerf and then rebuff as required and end up in essentially the same place provided the willingness to revisit changes remains.

Personally I think Zac's sustain while annoying wasn't the critically broken part of the champion, though it may have further fueled the problem. Rather, the mobility range and silly high base damages seem out of place. This (very slight) nerf may make Zac weak enough in lane that those issues are masked, but I think it makes his kit lopsided in the uninteresting way (as opposed to the cool design way).

I really don't think Zac's blob passive is in any way the reason for his OPness. It's certainly part of it, but honestly it's more the fact that he has pretty insane burst AND sustained damage all while having arguably one of if not the best initiation in the game. I think they should probably just straight up remove the damage on Zac's E and/or make it so his R does the same amount of damage on all bounces and lower the damage on the first bounce.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
September 05 2013 01:07 GMT
#328
A mid can be fine and not broken / not needing buffs or nerfs while also not being a useful pick for the current competitive scene.
Eppa!
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden4641 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 01:14:24
September 05 2013 01:07 GMT
#329
Zed/Ahri are strong vs Zyra mid and lategame. It doesn't really matter when you have her as support as its a waste of deathmark and dfg to use it on her most of the time.
"Can't wait till Monday" Cixah+Waveofshadow. "Needs to be monday. Weekend please go by quickly." Gahlo
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 05 2013 01:20 GMT
#330
On September 05 2013 09:53 Frudgey wrote:
Man I try and understand mid lane but I can't do it. I think my top lane mentality is slowly corrupting me.

In what ways do you guys play mid lane differently from top lane? Even though they are both single lanes, they just feel like that they warrant different play styles. Maybe it's just me though. Maybe you play them similar and I'm just mad.

Regardless, the mid lane feels foreign to me.

Depends what kind of midlaners do you play, and the matchup.
Mid lane gets away with being more greedy about farm/lane punishment, however backing can be heavily punished at early levels.
liftlift > tsm
seRapH
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States9807 Posts
September 05 2013 01:29 GMT
#331
Every lane gets heavily punished at early levels depending on the creep waves and who you're facing. I don't think its more prevalent mid than anywhere else.
boomer hands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 05 2013 01:32 GMT
#332
On September 05 2013 10:29 seRapH wrote:
Every lane gets heavily punished at early levels depending on the creep waves and who you're facing. I don't think its more prevalent mid than anywhere else.

Well, in top lane match ups, early on its pretty hard for the enemy top laner to shove out a lane and get it to reset, especially without jungler help, so if you die in a 1v1, you're usually only down a kill's worth of gold and a few creeps of xp/gold, which sorta sucks. In mid, more often than naught, you're down a kill's worth of gold, and a wave of xp.
liftlift > tsm
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
September 05 2013 01:34 GMT
#333
zyra mid is still strong in my opinion

i think the most angry i have ever been at this game was laning against release zyra


...or maybe release rengar
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
September 05 2013 01:34 GMT
#334
On September 05 2013 10:04 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 09:47 kainzero wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:39 Slusher wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:36 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:26 Slusher wrote:
She does fine mid, but she's really fucking slow so her roaming isn't amazing, so you basically get a 1v1 farming statue, who transitions into a team fight monster, which is decent, just not what most people are playing at the moment.

The most disappointing part of Zac for me still is that he isn't amorphous like the preview hinted he might be, what a complete failure to take advantage of unlimited possibilities his character design is.

To me, all this read is "She's Karthus without global pressure."


I almost actually wrote that exact thing when I was writing that lol. She does have more CC, but the reason people don't play her is pretty much what Gahlo said to a T, I would say her teamfight is a bit stronger though, more up front burst instead of post mordem.

she can however snowball a lane better than Karthus should her lane opponent happen to fuck up a couple times.

I think the reason she's not played mid is because nobody on the professional level plays her consistently. She's definitely a serviceable mid. She's not top tier, but she's not weak either.

Mid is also one of the most robust roles in pubs, it probably has the most potentially playable champions.


Zyra is a niche mid who's niche has been forced out of the Pro meta currently because of Divers that are OP (like Cassiopia)

cass rotated back into being a competitive pick?
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
September 05 2013 01:36 GMT
#335
poor placement of parenthesis, he means cass got forced out of meta like zyra

not that i necessarily agree but i think that's what he was saying
TranslatorBaa!
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
September 05 2013 01:39 GMT
#336
I took it to mean that Cass and Zyra are two mids that are particularly vulnerable to dive champions. If you ever want to smash your balls with a hammer, play Zyra against a capable Fizz... You just get clowned on.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
RagequitBM
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada2270 Posts
September 05 2013 01:48 GMT
#337
The new match history font is the best part about this patch. I could stare at that sexy font all day.
Twitch.tv/Ragequitbm for all the fans
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 05 2013 02:03 GMT
#338
Swim is the resident Zyra player I think
Bronze player stuck in platinum
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 05 2013 02:07 GMT
#339
On September 05 2013 10:34 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 10:04 cLutZ wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:47 kainzero wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:39 Slusher wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:36 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:26 Slusher wrote:
She does fine mid, but she's really fucking slow so her roaming isn't amazing, so you basically get a 1v1 farming statue, who transitions into a team fight monster, which is decent, just not what most people are playing at the moment.

The most disappointing part of Zac for me still is that he isn't amorphous like the preview hinted he might be, what a complete failure to take advantage of unlimited possibilities his character design is.

To me, all this read is "She's Karthus without global pressure."


I almost actually wrote that exact thing when I was writing that lol. She does have more CC, but the reason people don't play her is pretty much what Gahlo said to a T, I would say her teamfight is a bit stronger though, more up front burst instead of post mordem.

she can however snowball a lane better than Karthus should her lane opponent happen to fuck up a couple times.

I think the reason she's not played mid is because nobody on the professional level plays her consistently. She's definitely a serviceable mid. She's not top tier, but she's not weak either.

Mid is also one of the most robust roles in pubs, it probably has the most potentially playable champions.


Zyra is a niche mid who's niche has been forced out of the Pro meta currently because of Divers that are OP (like Cassiopia)

cass rotated back into being a competitive pick?


Intentionally trying to make my sentence say the opposite of what I meant? IG picked Cassio in quarters/groups. CLG tried it 2x in groups (lost). And that was when Diana was still at her best.
Freeeeeeedom
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 05 2013 02:10 GMT
#340
On September 05 2013 10:07 sylverfyre wrote:
A mid can be fine and not broken / not needing buffs or nerfs while also not being a useful pick for the current competitive scene.

Agreed. Some champions are just fine as is outside the competitive scene. Kassadin is a good example. People base their champion picks off competitive way too much, but in normal pub play lots of champions can be completely viable and good. They have weaknesses that can be abused if the other team knows it and executes/picks at the highest level, but otherwise they're fine.
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