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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 05 2013 00:05 GMT
#301
Release Zyra was insane. I didn't live through release Graves or Vayne, but I have some nightmares from release Zyra.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 05 2013 00:08 GMT
#302
ok i understand that you are having problems with the 5 year old programmers you have updating your servers. but seriously. if my account gets banned because of YOUR mistakes in programming im gonna be a very unhappy customer. and the customer is always right. so here is the deal. if you dont fix your little bug problem. im gonna veto your game along with thousands of my friends. this is bull**** that summoners dont need to deal with. have a good day


i wish i had thousands of friends
where can i sign up for friends
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 05 2013 00:13 GMT
#303
On September 05 2013 09:08 FinestHour wrote:
ok i understand that you are having problems with the 5 year old programmers you have updating your servers. but seriously. if my account gets banned because of YOUR mistakes in programming im gonna be a very unhappy customer. and the customer is always right. so here is the deal. if you dont fix your little bug problem. im gonna veto your game along with thousands of my friends. this is bull**** that summoners dont need to deal with. have a good day


i wish i had thousands of friends
where can i sign up for friends

Have you tried renting them at the friend store?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
September 05 2013 00:14 GMT
#304
no are they f2p can i buy skins for them
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19573 Posts
September 05 2013 00:14 GMT
#305
The thing about release Zyra, is even though she was too good, balancing her was fairly simple: Damage nerf, slower spells, done.

Zac is going to take forever to balance as long as they keep in this weird blob stomping mechanic. First of all, he would be a decent laner without any sustain, just based on no mana + easy gapcloser/escape + good base damages + slow. That means that since the blob dropping is random, its really hard for it to be balanced game-to-game.

Same with Zed, because if you hurt his numbers, he will lose. Thresh is different because no matter the numbers he will be confoundedly powerful. Honestly, Dark Passage + a diver is better in some ways than blitz hook.
Freeeeeeedom
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
September 05 2013 00:16 GMT
#306
On September 05 2013 09:14 cLutZ wrote:
The thing about release Zyra, is even though she was too good, balancing her was fairly simple: Damage nerf, slower spells, done.


They nerfed a mid laner so hard she's almost exclusively used as a support now. I don't know if I'd consider that a success or a good nerf. I mean she's a sick support, but her solo laning is almost non-existent now.
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Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
September 05 2013 00:17 GMT
#307
On September 05 2013 09:14 cLutZ wrote:
The thing about release Zyra, is even though she was too good, balancing her was fairly simple: Damage nerf, slower spells, done.

Zac is going to take forever to balance as long as they keep in this weird blob stomping mechanic. First of all, he would be a decent laner without any sustain, just based on no mana + easy gapcloser/escape + good base damages + slow. That means that since the blob dropping is random, its really hard for it to be balanced game-to-game.

Same with Zed, because if you hurt his numbers, he will lose. Thresh is different because no matter the numbers he will be confoundedly powerful. Honestly, Dark Passage + a diver is better in some ways than blitz hook.


Sometimes I think they should just remove the bonus damage on E entirely. Would still be really good.
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2396 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 00:18:23
September 05 2013 00:18 GMT
#308
On September 05 2013 09:16 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 09:14 cLutZ wrote:
The thing about release Zyra, is even though she was too good, balancing her was fairly simple: Damage nerf, slower spells, done.


They nerfed a mid laner so hard she's almost exclusively used as a support now. I don't know if I'd consider that a success or a good nerf. I mean she's a sick support, but her solo laning is almost non-existent now.


It's nothing that boosting her ratios and lowering her free damage (like her plants) can't fix.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
September 05 2013 00:20 GMT
#309
I think that the important part of the change in Riot's approach isn't that they stopped 'olafing' champions and opted for more moderate changes, but that there's continued attention to those changes. It's not a one off and hope it works, or in Olaf's case removes the issue completely. You could, if you so desired, flirt with the overnerf and then rebuff as required and end up in essentially the same place provided the willingness to revisit changes remains.

Personally I think Zac's sustain while annoying wasn't the critically broken part of the champion, though it may have further fueled the problem. Rather, the mobility range and silly high base damages seem out of place. This (very slight) nerf may make Zac weak enough in lane that those issues are masked, but I think it makes his kit lopsided in the uninteresting way (as opposed to the cool design way).
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 05 2013 00:23 GMT
#310
On September 05 2013 09:16 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 09:14 cLutZ wrote:
The thing about release Zyra, is even though she was too good, balancing her was fairly simple: Damage nerf, slower spells, done.


They nerfed a mid laner so hard she's almost exclusively used as a support now. I don't know if I'd consider that a success or a good nerf. I mean she's a sick support, but her solo laning is almost non-existent now.

When people were toying around with Burning Brush Zyra I thought the general consensus was she was actually still pretty strong with more traditional AP items.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 00:29:23
September 05 2013 00:26 GMT
#311
She does fine mid, but she's really fucking slow so her roaming isn't amazing, so you basically get a 1v1 farming statue, who transitions into a team fight monster, which is decent, just not what most people are playing at the moment.

The most disappointing part of Zac for me still is that he isn't amorphous like the preview hinted he might be, what a complete failure to take advantage of unlimited possibilities his character design is.
Carrilord has arrived.
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
September 05 2013 00:29 GMT
#312
I think Zyra's biggest nerf was that Diana was released right after her.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
September 05 2013 00:32 GMT
#313
She actually was one of the better picks (I say better because I wouldn't really describe any Diana match up as bad pre december) until they nerfed the missile speed on E, which was much later, well after she was support only.
Carrilord has arrived.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35127 Posts
September 05 2013 00:36 GMT
#314
On September 05 2013 09:26 Slusher wrote:
She does fine mid, but she's really fucking slow so her roaming isn't amazing, so you basically get a 1v1 farming statue, who transitions into a team fight monster, which is decent, just not what most people are playing at the moment.

The most disappointing part of Zac for me still is that he isn't amorphous like the preview hinted he might be, what a complete failure to take advantage of unlimited possibilities his character design is.

To me, all this read is "She's Karthus without global pressure."
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 05 2013 00:37 GMT
#315
Eh, she has more CC than Karth. I might to try and play her Mid a bit, my curiosity has been piqued.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 00:40:15
September 05 2013 00:39 GMT
#316
On September 05 2013 09:36 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 09:26 Slusher wrote:
She does fine mid, but she's really fucking slow so her roaming isn't amazing, so you basically get a 1v1 farming statue, who transitions into a team fight monster, which is decent, just not what most people are playing at the moment.

The most disappointing part of Zac for me still is that he isn't amorphous like the preview hinted he might be, what a complete failure to take advantage of unlimited possibilities his character design is.

To me, all this read is "She's Karthus without global pressure."


I almost actually wrote that exact thing when I was writing that lol. She does have more CC, but the reason people don't play her is pretty much what Gahlo said to a T, I would say her teamfight is a bit stronger though, more up front burst instead of post mordem.

she can however snowball a lane better than Karthus should her lane opponent happen to fuck up a couple times.
Carrilord has arrived.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 05 2013 00:39 GMT
#317
I think Soniv ran her mid a bunch? He switched to several champs after that but he stuck with her mid after most people viewed her as a support. Pester him, that's what he came back for!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 05 2013 00:47 GMT
#318
On September 05 2013 09:39 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 09:36 Gahlo wrote:
On September 05 2013 09:26 Slusher wrote:
She does fine mid, but she's really fucking slow so her roaming isn't amazing, so you basically get a 1v1 farming statue, who transitions into a team fight monster, which is decent, just not what most people are playing at the moment.

The most disappointing part of Zac for me still is that he isn't amorphous like the preview hinted he might be, what a complete failure to take advantage of unlimited possibilities his character design is.

To me, all this read is "She's Karthus without global pressure."


I almost actually wrote that exact thing when I was writing that lol. She does have more CC, but the reason people don't play her is pretty much what Gahlo said to a T, I would say her teamfight is a bit stronger though, more up front burst instead of post mordem.

she can however snowball a lane better than Karthus should her lane opponent happen to fuck up a couple times.

I think the reason she's not played mid is because nobody on the professional level plays her consistently. She's definitely a serviceable mid. She's not top tier, but she's not weak either.

Mid is also one of the most robust roles in pubs, it probably has the most potentially playable champions.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 00:48:56
September 05 2013 00:48 GMT
#319
All I know is that whenever I go up against a Zyra mid she always tends to kill me with plant damage + passive after she died, and I get extremely frustrated every time.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 05 2013 00:50 GMT
#320
When giants were actually winning I think they ran her a few times mid. Worked out pretty well with all the teamfight presence.
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