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On September 05 2013 07:19 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 07:06 nafta wrote:
How is it not a big deal?You can't use it vs most champs because the range is just too low in teamfights.It's fine for lane though.
Like unless that is changed don't really see a reason to pick him since corki/ez do the same poke/burst style but better. Cooldown: 9 / 8 / 7 / 6 / 5 Physical Damage: 80 / 120 / 160 / 200 / 240 (+ 60 / 75 / 90 / 105 / 120% bonus AD) No damage fall-off. It's basically his aa range, if you can auto someone, you can Q someone. And do you really think you'd have these numbers (and cast speed) if you could use it "freely"? 240 + 1.2 bonus AD is big. Look at Caitlyn, she beats it (180 + 1.3 total AD) and has slightly longer range but she's also got sharp damage fall-off and a long-ass cast animation that makes it so you almost never use it in teamfight.
Yeah, I can't say that his Q limitation has ever been an issue in teamfights, or hell, at all. Just have to put your Templar Assassin skills to use in lane and hit the enemy off creeps. Only problem is that then you're usually too far to pop the passive off, but whatever.
What do you do for mana sustain? He just drains so fast I end up buying 15 pots by the end of the game. Really wanted to use manamune before but it was just so clunky overall, really neutered his potential.
RE his ult: yeah, I understand why the damage isn't as high as others, but I didn't know if it was worth building around.
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Well it's a bit like Quinn, her ult is not something you'd use as your run-of-the-mill AD carry ult, but she shines in the midgame when you've got more skirmishes than full-on teamfights.
On Megazero's stream a Zed ult'd Caitlyn, who got dropped to around a third of her health. AP Nidalee heals her back to 2 thirds, Death Mark pops, Caitlyn dead. Hue. x)
Edit: iirc there's still the bug where his Q sometimes costs double the mana? That was supposed to explain how mana-hungry he seems to be.
His ult probably isn't worth itemising specifically toward, in the sense that you shouldn't prioritise AS just because of it. Monte showed that with AS being super expensive compared to AD you're probably better off just building normally and using the AD scaling on the bullets.
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is it me or nidalee bushwhacks last like 3seconds now?
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Bushwhack duration should only be affected on Dom/TT.
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On September 05 2013 07:47 TheYango wrote:
Bushwhack duration should only be affected on Dom/TT.
its 2nd game i play in SR vs nid since the patch and bushwacks disappeared after 3 seconds (maybe its just animation bug) but im 100% sure that happens in SR
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Riot's being mighty timid with the Zac nerfs. This is the fourth nerf to the champion, and he's still gonna be OP.
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On September 05 2013 07:55 Zato-1 wrote:
Riot's being mighty timid with the Zac nerfs. This is the fourth nerf to the champion, and he's still gonna be OP.
look how long it takes them to nerf tresh
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On September 05 2013 07:58 kongoline wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 07:55 Zato-1 wrote:
Riot's being mighty timid with the Zac nerfs. This is the fourth nerf to the champion, and he's still gonna be OP. look how long it takes them to nerf tresh
I think they finally figured out how to balance the right way. Its just Zac, zed, and thresh were ridiculous when they switched to that style. Unlike
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On September 05 2013 07:55 Zato-1 wrote:
Riot's being mighty timid with the Zac nerfs. This is the fourth nerf to the champion, and he's still gonna be OP.
I greatly prefer this over Riot's old, "this thing is OP? Let's completely ruin it forever!"
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On September 05 2013 08:12 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 07:55 Zato-1 wrote:
Riot's being mighty timid with the Zac nerfs. This is the fourth nerf to the champion, and he's still gonna be OP. I greatly prefer this over Riot's old, "this thing is OP? Let's completely ruin it forever!"
RIP Olaf
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On September 05 2013 08:18 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 05 2013 08:12 overt wrote:On September 05 2013 07:55 Zato-1 wrote:
Riot's being mighty timid with the Zac nerfs. This is the fourth nerf to the champion, and he's still gonna be OP. I greatly prefer this over Riot's old, "this thing is OP? Let's completely ruin it forever!" RIP Olaf
I'd say they've gotten better since Olaf.
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pretty sure thats his point lol
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Wish they'd just buff instead of nerf. Everyone OP is more fun than everyone impotent.
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I like the tought process behind zac's change, keep the same numbers but make the healing more contestable, gives alot more conterplay in lane. now, will it be enought?
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I'm curious to know what you would buff instead of nerfing someone like Elise at her release?
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On September 05 2013 08:55 WiseBagus wrote:
I'm curious to know what you would buff instead of nerfing someone like Elise at her release?
He would like Elise to be the baseline and have all the other champs buffed to that level.
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did anyone actually have problems with patch dc or bugsplat that angry thread is like 40 pages long
dont want to dc from a ranked game for no reason
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The incremental nerfs are by far the better way to balance a champion unless it's seriously out of line (see release Zyra). Chisel nerfs are far better than the sledgehammer approach that Riot took with Olaf. If you look at competitive play, TF got hit via his ult and then E and then W duration and now he's a situational pick everywhere rather than a must-pick. Jayce got hit much harder with the doubled cooldown on E and is very rarely seen now. Big changes result in big slumps in play compared to small nerfs which will lower playrates slightly.
There's also a small favour I'd like to ask
+ Show Spoiler +If anyone has a pax hecarim skin code, I'll trade a month of TL+ for it, I got blitzcrank but have no responses for hecarim in the skin code trade thread. Please PM me and I'll respond after I get home from work.
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On September 05 2013 08:58 FinestHour wrote:
did anyone actually have problems with patch dc or bugsplat that angry thread is like 40 pages long
dont want to dc from a ranked game for no reason
I didn't but a few random people in my games did.
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On September 05 2013 08:59 Lmui wrote:
(see release Zyra)
That was hilarious. I used to use Elobuff back then, and if you clicked ANY champion, Zyra had like a 60%+ winrate vs them.
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