On September 15 2013 14:11 TheRabidDeer wrote: I need to watch games of people and figure out what they do differently than me. It didnt seem like it was decision making, he just dove in and killed people.
EDIT: I mean I never really considered LoL too heavily of a skill based game, but then he basically solo'd the other team.
Honestly, if you don't consider LoL skill based, you don't watch enough OGN. It really shows how high the skill ceiling can get.
I havent watched much of any LoL. I see some skill based characters, like Zed (who looks to have a high skill cap) but a lot seem more about decisions and teamwork.
Decision making is a big part, but team decision making is a very small part of individual skill at levels below pro. Decision making such as when to trade, when to go for last hits, when to harass, etc.
He didnt seem to need to do that. He used me as tower bait and dove early game to get ahead is probably why it snowballed a bit. Maybe I just need to try and get my hands on a decent adc char and try it out, instead of playing teemo/lux/elise
Those champions can snowball just as well.
Indeed, I'd argue that LoL is incredibly skill-based. Part of it's mechanical (there's massive mechanical differences between a Diamond and a Silver ADC, for instance), but there's also an entirely large depth of knowledge and decisionmaking. It's just that, as a game, differences in skill are relatively subtle due to the matchmaking attempting to balance for skill, so improvement is seen as a progression, and there aren't (generally) glaring cases of skill mismatch (which you had).
He could probably have done the same with almost every champion he could choose. When I use to Q with my lower elo friends, I'd be godlike on everything, even Heimerdinger. Literal 1v5s were disgustingly easy.
Just to give you an idea of how much the skill depth can be.
I agree. People like Madlife and Faker show the way as in how good you can get solely individually, and even they can still improve a lot. Beyond that there's obviously the whole team strategy and coordination aspect, which is the main factor in my opinion anyway.
At the highest level, yes, team strategy and coordination is critical at the highest levels of LoL (and are increasingly important as you get higher up).
But individual skill is immensely important, and something as a player you should work on constantly. No need to worry about counterpicks, for instance, until at least high Gold (before that, you can win with anything).
For instance, playing inhouses with TL peeps have highlighted many of the flaws in my ADC play (and decision making, which is Doublelift Tier). My CSing...<_<;. Though I do use full ArmPen so it excuses it marginally...
Oh you meant solo queue? Yeah then I agree of course! Everything else is just lame excuses on the same level as in SC2 "oh man I could totally play in masters, if only all the stupid cheese didn't keep me locked up in silver!"
If even at the highest professional level you can see a team purely winning by individual skill like SKT does some of their games, that makes any discussion about individual skill just look outright silly in my opinion.
Just think about the fact that you can be at least as good as Faker/Madlife/Piglet/Imp or whoever. There is at least that much room for you to improve and melt faces. Same as when people whine about how Protoss deathball just seems unbeatable lategame, when it actually only matters at the highest of levels and below that you can always play much, much better.
League of legends/dota is like basketball. You can't make every shot/skillshot but you can do so many other things consistently, and if you're not talented enough you will suck and drag your team down.
I think people over-analyzed the Faker Zed play. It was pretty obvious what happened: Ryu misplayed, Faker made a risky decision to stay and push and BARELY got out of it alive.
Pretty sure you would die 10/10 times regardless of championmatchup in a 100% vs 20% hp... Unless it's like adc with lifesteal vs squishy underleveld supp.
Im not even talking about fakers insane autoattack/shadowslash/shuriken jukes with flash&living shadow
Last custom game was against a bunch of smurfs and everyone was a smurf here.
Pretty sure this is fnatic yellowstar. Identical rune page/masteries and same with the other players on fnatic. I'm 99% sure the other team is OMG. No one else really uses Jarvan top and aatrox jungle except chinese teams. Royal isn't there yet either and it only makes sense for teams to scrim teams in the other bracket.
Individual skill is an enormous aspect of LoL. Mechanical skill less so. Most people who say LoL doesn't have a large skill aspect are either focusing too heavily on the comparatively shallow mechanical aspect of the game, or simply do not have enough understanding of the game to see the depth that exists in other aspects of the game.
Last custom game was against a bunch of smurfs and everyone was a smurf here.
Pretty sure this is fnatic soaz. Identical rune page/masteries and same with the other players on fnatic. I'm 99% sure the other team is OMG. No one else really uses Jarvan top and aatrox jungle except chinese teams. Royal isn't there yet either and it only makes sense for teams to scrim teams in the other bracket.
Damn I'm creepy.
Ahri is also a big red flag for OMG because it's one of Cool's comfort champs.
EDIT: Also, so few creeps on that jungle Aatrox--has to be Lovelin, lol.
On September 15 2013 17:42 TheYango wrote: Individual skill is an enormous aspect of LoL. Mechanical skill less so. Most people who say LoL doesn't have a large skill aspect are either focusing too heavily on the comparatively shallow mechanical aspect of the game, or simply do not have enough understanding of the game to see the depth that exists in other aspects of the game.
Last custom game was against a bunch of smurfs and everyone was a smurf here.
Pretty sure this is fnatic soaz. Identical rune page/masteries and same with the other players on fnatic. I'm 99% sure the other team is OMG. No one else really uses Jarvan top and aatrox jungle except chinese teams. Royal isn't there yet either and it only makes sense for teams to scrim teams in the other bracket.
Damn I'm creepy.
Ahri is also a big red flag for OMG because it's one of Cool's comfort champs.
Wouldn't it be funny if in these couple days all the Korean/Chinese players only play against each other anymore because their MMR already went up to the point where it wouldn't match up with all the NA guys anymore? If they all play like 15 more soloq-games I could see that happening.
Looks like bot lane got particularly shit on. sub 100 cs in what I'd imagine is a 20 minute game.
Not surprising. EU bot lanes have been pretty lackluster and they "think" they've gotten better but they're still so far behind. They've already stated they want to replace puszu with rekkles once he becomes of age meaning there's enough faults with puszu's game right now. Having yellowstar support against world class bot lanes is gonna prove to be a terrible mistake. Sad thing is OMG's botlane isn't even the best out there.
On September 15 2013 18:02 Itsmedudeman wrote: Looks like bot lane got particularly shit on. sub 100 cs in what I'd imagine is a 20 minute game.
Not surprising. EU bot lanes have been pretty lackluster and they "think" they've gotten better but they're still so far behind. They've already stated they want to replace puszu with rekkles once he becomes of age meaning there's enough faults with puszu's game right now. Having yellowstar support against world class bot lanes is gonna prove to be a terrible mistake. Sad thing is OMG's botlane isn't even the best out there.
Well Fnatics bot lane with nRated/Rekkles was certainly world class (good enough to keep up with WE's bot lane at IPL5). Once Rekkles can play they will likely have the best bot lane EU but I'm rather skeptical about YellowStar support on the world stage. EU really has very lackluster supports right now, even worse than their Marksmen IMO. With nRated gone and EdWard moved to NA it looks really grim in that department in EU. Meanwhile NA is pretty stacked with support talent right now with BloodWater, LemonNation, EdWard and probably even Xpecial being better than anything EU has to offer right now.
On September 15 2013 18:02 Itsmedudeman wrote: Looks like bot lane got particularly shit on. sub 100 cs in what I'd imagine is a 20 minute game.
Not surprising. EU bot lanes have been pretty lackluster and they "think" they've gotten better but they're still so far behind. They've already stated they want to replace puszu with rekkles once he becomes of age meaning there's enough faults with puszu's game right now. Having yellowstar support against world class bot lanes is gonna prove to be a terrible mistake. Sad thing is OMG's botlane isn't even the best out there.
Well Fnatics bot lane with nRated/Rekkles was certainly world class (good enough to keep up with WE's bot lane at IPL5). Once Rekkles can play they will likely have the best bot lane EU but I'm rather skeptical about YellowStar support on the world stage. EU really has very lackluster supports right now, even worse than their Marksmen IMO. With nRated gone and EdWard moved to NA it looks really grim in that department in EU. Meanwhile NA is pretty stacked with support talent right now with BloodWater, LemonNation, EdWard and probably even Xpecial being better than anything EU has to offer right now.
I kinda think you're overrating the NA supports right now, they are solid players of course but I don't agree that their level is that much higher compared to EU supports
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