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1ntrigue
Profile Joined May 2012
Australia948 Posts
September 13 2013 12:38 GMT
#2661
On September 13 2013 20:14 Alaric wrote:
Yeah, times are something like 9PM-7AM at best for EU during group stages, quarters are 9PM, 5AM, 1AM, 5AM, and semis are 1AM and 9PM, and finals are 5AM, iirc.
So... expect a bunch of us to actually take 2 days (or even more depending on working hours) to catch up with VoDs. ^^'

TL;DR TL recommended polls fighting~

"Hey guys we're glad to know there's nothing wrong with low-budget itemisation and the only concern is AP items yay!"
Zzz...

Well that's depressing. We need Zenon to relay TL's Yango's thoughts!
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 14:11:57
September 13 2013 14:11 GMT
#2662
I disagree with Riot's method of improving player experience by polling players on what to improve. In terms of UX, that's almost a perfect formula to achieve 0 useful information and run a high risk of making things worse. Generally you want to poll users to find out what they are doing, and then check if those actions are aligned with the original design principles. If not, then you come up with hypothesis as to why they aren't, and then run those against usage data.
Administrator@TL_Zess
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TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
September 13 2013 14:15 GMT
#2663
Riot doesn't necessarily act upon these polls though. And they do make people at least feel like they have input.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 13 2013 14:21 GMT
#2664
On September 13 2013 19:35 Nytefish wrote:
Sejuani

Would you say that Sej is about as strong as amumu or a lot weaker?
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 13 2013 14:29 GMT
#2665
On September 13 2013 23:11 xes wrote:
I disagree with Riot's method of improving player experience by polling players on what to improve. In terms of UX, that's almost a perfect formula to achieve 0 useful information and run a high risk of making things worse. Generally you want to poll users to find out what they are doing, and then check if those actions are aligned with the original design principles. If not, then you come up with hypothesis as to why they aren't, and then run those against usage data.


I think it's just a way to make people feel like they getting input in and thus feel better. You don't even have to act on what anyone says, just claim you are then do some chance that achieves absolutely nothing that is in line with what you said. No one will be the wiser(See jungle S3). It's just a smoke screen.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 13 2013 14:32 GMT
#2666
On September 13 2013 13:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
"To me the NA scene isn't about BEING THE BEST AND HAVING THE BEST PLAYERS it's about teams, personalities and people that have made NA what it is today."

And this, my friends, is why NA blows dick.

Oh yeah, better get excited about teams and personalities like "The Dignitas Throw", "SV missing Smite" and so on and so forth.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
September 13 2013 14:34 GMT
#2667
On September 13 2013 23:11 xes wrote:
I disagree with Riot's method of improving player experience by polling players on what to improve. In terms of UX, that's almost a perfect formula to achieve 0 useful information and run a high risk of making things worse. Generally you want to poll users to find out what they are doing, and then check if those actions are aligned with the original design principles. If not, then you come up with hypothesis as to why they aren't, and then run those against usage data.

Isn't there bias in the first place on polling users based on what they're doing. Eg if users want replays but there is no replay system then there will be no action against a replay server.

A big problem with a lot of these polls is that I always forget what my biggest issues with LoL are. I don't have a list of them somewhere I can reference, so if someone gave me a poll, I'd need a lot of time to think about it.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
September 13 2013 14:38 GMT
#2668
On September 13 2013 23:32 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 13:43 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
"To me the NA scene isn't about BEING THE BEST AND HAVING THE BEST PLAYERS it's about teams, personalities and people that have made NA what it is today."

And this, my friends, is why NA blows dick.

Oh yeah, better get excited about teams and personalities like "The Dignitas Throw", "SV missing Smite" and so on and so forth.

Does anyone not get excited when Dig go for Baron? It's always spectacular.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
September 13 2013 14:44 GMT
#2669
On September 13 2013 13:30 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 08:02 AsnSensation wrote:

"Teams will be afraid to play us" Reginald 2013


How can pro players be this delusional? Do they really not see how much stronger S-Tier korean teams are than them? I will literally eat a sock on camera if an NA team takes more than 1 game off of a korean team


Why do the Browns talk like this when they are about to play the Broncos? It's just pump-up and hype, getting their fans pumped for the games and getting themselves in the right headspace to compete.

I really don't understand your opinion. The Koreans are better than NA, so NA should just roll over and die, accepting it's fate?
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Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
September 13 2013 14:44 GMT
#2670
On September 13 2013 23:21 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 19:35 Nytefish wrote:
Sejuani

Would you say that Sej is about as strong as amumu or a lot weaker?

Honestly I think that Sej is stronger. Clear speed is about the same, maybe a bit in Amumu's favor but he also runs oom quicker.
As for ganks, the Q's do about the same except Sejuani's Q is a lot easier to hit, plus you have a slow. (which you should max first btw)
And Sej ult is basically a ranged Amumu ult.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 13 2013 14:49 GMT
#2671
On September 13 2013 23:44 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 13:30 Perplex wrote:
On September 13 2013 08:02 AsnSensation wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6ZGnVqhgg
"Teams will be afraid to play us" Reginald 2013


How can pro players be this delusional? Do they really not see how much stronger S-Tier korean teams are than them? I will literally eat a sock on camera if an NA team takes more than 1 game off of a korean team


Why do the Browns talk like this when they are about to play the Broncos? It's just pump-up and hype, getting their fans pumped for the games and getting themselves in the right headspace to compete.

I really don't understand your opinion. The Koreans are better than NA, so NA should just roll over and die, accepting it's fate?


yes
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
September 13 2013 15:20 GMT
#2672
On September 13 2013 23:44 Fildun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 23:21 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On September 13 2013 19:35 Nytefish wrote:
Sejuani

Would you say that Sej is about as strong as amumu or a lot weaker?

Honestly I think that Sej is stronger. Clear speed is about the same, maybe a bit in Amumu's favor but he also runs oom quicker.
As for ganks, the Q's do about the same except Sejuani's Q is a lot easier to hit, plus you have a slow. (which you should max first btw)
And Sej ult is basically a ranged Amumu ult.

Alright sweet, I'll grind out the last 1k IP and buy Sej then. Same runes and masteries I guess? Any recommended Sej guides?
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4123 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 15:35:55
September 13 2013 15:35 GMT
#2673
On September 14 2013 00:20 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 23:44 Fildun wrote:
On September 13 2013 23:21 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
On September 13 2013 19:35 Nytefish wrote:
Sejuani

Would you say that Sej is about as strong as amumu or a lot weaker?

Honestly I think that Sej is stronger. Clear speed is about the same, maybe a bit in Amumu's favor but he also runs oom quicker.
As for ganks, the Q's do about the same except Sejuani's Q is a lot easier to hit, plus you have a slow. (which you should max first btw)
And Sej ult is basically a ranged Amumu ult.

Alright sweet, I'll grind out the last 1k IP and buy Sej then. Same runes and masteries I guess? Any recommended Sej guides?

Depending on what you want you can either go 9/21/0 (armor pen or magic pen is your choice, I personally pref magic pen but armor increases first clear speed) or 0/21/9. I run magic pen reds, armor yellows, mr/level blues and movespeed quints. Sometimes I also run AP quints. (I know, I know)
Max R>E>W>Q. You can exchange Q and W. First few levels are personal preference, also depends on if you're ganking or not. I like W-Q-E-E-E-R
Of course you can also visit the Sejuani thread.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 16:02:21
September 13 2013 15:59 GMT
#2674
On September 13 2013 13:30 Perplex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2013 08:02 AsnSensation wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS6ZGnVqhgg
"Teams will be afraid to play us" Reginald 2013


How can pro players be this delusional? Do they really not see how much stronger S-Tier korean teams are than them? I will literally eat a sock on camera if an NA team takes more than 1 game off of a korean team

"We have a really good chance this year...as NA." - Dyrus

So basically C9 has a chance and the rest of you have none.

EDIT: TSM probably should have gotten someone other than Dyrus to speak for this, he doesn't sound that comfortable.
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 13 2013 16:09 GMT
#2675
Last year they came unprepared and played w/e they wanted this time they have Sheets Yango! (thought he said cheats first lol)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 13 2013 16:11 GMT
#2676
On September 14 2013 01:09 AsnSensation wrote:
Last year they came unprepared and played w/e they wanted this time they have Sheets Yango! (thought he said cheats first lol)

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this sounded really awkward.
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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 13 2013 16:13 GMT
#2677
Felt like some scripted piece to get some American pride going. Gamecribs they sounded a lot more realistic so don't judge them by this I think.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 13 2013 16:23 GMT
#2678
a lot of their fans probably know very little about korean teams anyway. it's not as big of a stretch for them to think that tsm stands a chance
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 13 2013 16:39 GMT
#2679
Why are we discussing the video, I'm pretty sure it's almost universally agreed here on TL that they're just blowing smoke for hype xD
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Lounge
Profile Joined November 2011
537 Posts
September 13 2013 16:41 GMT
#2680
On September 14 2013 01:11 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 01:09 AsnSensation wrote:
Last year they came unprepared and played w/e they wanted this time they have Sheets Yango! (thought he said cheats first lol)

Glad I'm not the only one who thought this sounded really awkward.


I think Dyrus is just hinting that Regi's replacement after he retires is going to be TSM Sheets.

He had a few brainfreeze moments but that's just how Dyrus is. I think he was just trying to say they have a lot of data/charts on the teams, but couldn't find the right words. Was still pretty presentable and I think Dyrus is becoming the face of TSM while Regi does more background stuff.

And yeah mostly just a hype video #InSheetsWeTrust
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