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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 13 2013 18:21 GMT
#2701
On September 14 2013 03:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
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On September 14 2013 03:18 Flakes wrote:
Given how hyped Faker is, wouldnt it make infinity more sense for TSM to keep him 2v1'd as much as possible? Have any korean teams had any success with team duomid vs OMG?

There was a team that went 2v1 against Faker when he was on Kass and he still managed to miss very few CS (at least compared to most players). It was amazing.

That was the match where he built a mejais for sweg.
Glorious SEA doto
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
September 13 2013 18:24 GMT
#2702
On September 14 2013 03:21 Fusilero wrote:
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On September 14 2013 03:21 onlywonderboy wrote:
On September 14 2013 03:18 Flakes wrote:
Given how hyped Faker is, wouldnt it make infinity more sense for TSM to keep him 2v1'd as much as possible? Have any korean teams had any success with team duomid vs OMG?

There was a team that went 2v1 against Faker when he was on Kass and he still managed to miss very few CS (at least compared to most players). It was amazing.

That was the match where he built a mejais for sweg.

He gets a lot of exposure for his flashy plays, but watching that was the moment I thought "this guy is the real deal"
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 18:28:47
September 13 2013 18:27 GMT
#2703
I guess you'd have to chose the lesser evil of Reginald 1v1 Faker and camp the lane so that he isn't getting destroyed and hope that he can go even. Or you could force the 1v2 but accept that Piglet/Poo will shutdown the TSM sololaner (Dyrus or Regi) harder than Turtle/Xpecial will.

inb4 Regi with his infamous lvl 2/3 aggressive ignite play and gets ganked by Bengi and lane over
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 13 2013 18:27 GMT
#2704
On September 13 2013 19:51 Cuddle wrote:
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On September 13 2013 16:52 cLutZ wrote:
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On September 13 2013 16:35 obesechicken13 wrote:
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On September 13 2013 16:11 Amui wrote:
Random thought: Rengar is the only champion in the game who wants to spam every skill he has on cooldown. Even other resourceless champions have to put thought into their gameplan because they don't get rewarded for spamming skills, only for winning trades.

Not really.

If you're jungling you try to get to 5 stacks before ganking so you have the most to work with during the gank and possibly an empowered E if needed.
You want to auto before each Q to get the auto reset off without wasting a reset by getting an empowered and regular Q
W is useful when teamfighting or jungling for the armor/resists, not just the damage, so you space them out to get the armor bonus for longer so you can tank more damage. (Armor and mr do not stack on Rengar)
Of course Rengar's bola is an up front slow that gets weaker so you want to throw the second one, not immediately after the first, but you don't necessarily want to wait for the first to wear off before throwing the second one either because the slow becomes almost nothing for the last second making catching up to your opponent more important.

If you're jungling you should be playing energy or non-mana champs so you can donate blue without hurting yourself. This is just an advantage some junglers have that is offset by the efficiency of spirit stone.
Why the hell does Lee Sin not want to spam skills?

#BringBackManaCosts

It's hard to play against a good Rengar but it's also hard to play a good Rengar. Instead of making every melee champ easy to counter I'd rather the game just made more melees hard to deal with like Rengar. Yesterday I saw Voyboy (losing team, not fed) 1v1 a Jax as Urgot. That was just dumb.

But it's also dumb that Rengar has two abilities with a base of 150 damage. Few other champion has such shitty ability scaling. Empowered strikes are good but they're not as good as any ult in terms of damage. In order to balance Rengar they had to make the base damage on his abilities nearly the lowest in the game for melee assasins because his stealth ganks and resourcelessness were too strong. Similarly Katarina has shitty base damage on her abilities and doesn't use mana, but she needs low base damage otherwise she'd get fed and become an unstoppable pentakill machine much more often.


Yea, Rengar is not capable of being balanced. If someone who actually liked Rengar told me what is the "core" of the champion I could design him in a way to make the champ not impossible to balance. But the fact is you have to give him mana and make the passive Annie-like, and change his ultimate to not grant stealth (or if it gives stealth, it should be instant, and be for escape only).


I play a lot of Rengar and to me, the "boo-factor" is the core of Rengar and the reason why I enjoy him so much. All I want is to be able to win trades or all-ins if I get the jump on someone. I don't need to be able to 2-shot someone (as is currently the case if you get ahead) but I'd like to be confident in my ability to trade/all-in if I can get the jump on people.

That said, I don't mind if the fight goes on for longer than 2 seconds or if they make "getting the jump on someone" harder for Rengar. All I want is for everyone to feel "ohshitohshitohshit" when I come roaring out of a bush/stealth.


The problem with that is...if you go boo, you can't have good trading or dueling or burst.
Freeeeeeedom
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 13 2013 18:28 GMT
#2705
There was also that game where he was 1v2'd on LB, farmed pretty much fine, and the duo couldn't stay mid any more because LB had too many levels and too much farm. And then karthus comes in against a LB on equal footing. Not good to say the least.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 18:58:57
September 13 2013 18:50 GMT
#2706
Ouch. Good to know it's been tried though.
Since TSM most likely can't run a 2x dps properly, the only other alt. strategy I can think of for them would be a revive/'2nd chance' team with champs like karthus/zac/yorick/zilean/kayle, on the assumption that Faker will kill someone no matter what so try to make the most of it.

The match is basically a write-off, but I'll have a lot respect for them if they show up with a team-specific strategy.
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
September 13 2013 18:55 GMT
#2707
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/experts-weigh-worlds-predictions-1
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
September 13 2013 18:59 GMT
#2708
Faker was on par in cs with Gragas as Kass in the game he got 2v1'd, and then he got a mejais and carried the game from midgame on. You also have to realize that you're pitting Faker in a 2v1 against Xpecial/Turtle and Regi against the 100 acre lane.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
September 13 2013 19:02 GMT
#2709
The thing about 2v1ing Faker is that he's better/more experienced at playing from 2v1 than most mids--I'm betting a lot of Korean teams have already tried dodging the 1v1 matchup against him, which consequently put a lot of 2v1 experience under his belt.
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 13 2013 19:03 GMT
#2710
quantic vs Coast going live!
http://www.twitch.tv/gglatv
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9236 Posts
September 13 2013 19:07 GMT
#2711
On September 14 2013 04:03 AsnSensation wrote:
quantic vs Coast going live!
http://www.twitch.tv/gglatv

The hype for this is insane, this tournament series generally has trouble going over 1k viewers
Letmelose
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Korea (South)3227 Posts
September 13 2013 19:07 GMT
#2712
SK Telecom T1 in general are one of the best teams in the world in terms of dealing with in one-versus-two situations. Impact has probably has the best one-versus-two understanding out of the top-laners in Korea, and Piglet has gone on the record stating that he is incredibly comfortable with unorthodox lane set-ups, since he has more confidence in his team-fighting ability than his laning skills. Last, but not least, believe Faker has also mentioned that, unlike the general perception of him, his true strength kicks in once out of the laning phase.
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 13 2013 19:08 GMT
#2713
rightfully so! return of Locodoco and gunwoong, son!

and maybe the start of korean overlords on North American soil?
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 13 2013 19:09 GMT
#2714
Oh man this will such a controversial topic for the season to come, can't wait for all the drama lol
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
September 13 2013 19:09 GMT
#2715
holy shit Riot just posted this HYPE
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
September 13 2013 19:12 GMT
#2716
Why Zuna, why.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
September 13 2013 19:13 GMT
#2717
Who will ryze to the top?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 19:14:27
September 13 2013 19:13 GMT
#2718
Seems like Quantic is playing on Lvl 21 accounts, I'm gonna lol so hard if they stomp.

Yoonsup Choi ‏@Locodoco 24m
miscommunication everywhere but looks like we're gonna play with level 21 accounts, plz no circlejerk against coast or us >.<
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 19:14:09
September 13 2013 19:13 GMT
#2719
Probably the one matchup I'd be interested in to see lane swaps would be T1 vs Royal, to see if T1 buys into the hype of Uzi+Tabe 2v2.
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 13 2013 19:13 GMT
#2720
On September 14 2013 04:13 AsnSensation wrote:
Seems like Quantic is playing on Lvl 21 accounts, I'm gonna lol so hard if they stomp.


Wow that's actually happening? Lmao
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