[Patch 3.11] General Discussion - Page 133
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On September 13 2013 17:04 EquilasH wrote: I doubt it's going to happen but just in case I have it bookmarked. was just about to post this. MURCIA | ||
FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
On September 13 2013 17:12 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: am i the only one who thinks that all lee sin skins are fucking awesome (including original), except for the muay thai abomination? gotta do the sunglasses | ||
cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 13 2013 17:01 wei2coolman wrote: I guess I was the only one who thought the tank rengar of s2 was fucking awesome as fuck? You mean the unstoppable splitpush/backdoor monster that won lane and killed towers faster than an AD Carry while building full tank? A gold level Rengar player, while Rengar was "good" could do everything that Faker on Zed can do right now and more. | ||
Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
rengar reminds me of old eve | ||
wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 13 2013 17:30 cLutZ wrote: You mean the unstoppable splitpush/backdoor monster that won lane and killed towers faster than an AD Carry while building full tank? A gold level Rengar player, while Rengar was "good" could do everything that Faker on Zed can do right now and more. I don't remember rengar doing that much damage though. Most people built like a bazillion health on him, and splitpush raid boss mode. I just thought it was pretty fun to watch 3 people try and kill him, and didn't even dent him. He personified late game splitpushing without the gimicky teleport shit shen does. Just imagine the new SV on the old Rengar. Talk about bonkers. | ||
gtrsrs
United States9109 Posts
king of the jungle now if that damn kha'zix wasn't so strong i could be the lion king all day long ![]() | ||
ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On September 13 2013 17:38 wei2coolman wrote: I don't remember rengar doing that much damage though. Most people built like a bazillion health on him, and splitpush raid boss mode. I just thought it was pretty fun to watch 3 people try and kill him, and didn't even dent him. He personified late game splitpushing without the gimicky teleport shit shen does. Just imagine the new SV on the old Rengar. Talk about bonkers. Hue? Hue? The old Rengar was crazy. He could backdoor turrets. That is a lot of damage. Like, it would have been fine for him to be that tanky, if his damage was 1/4 of what it was (especially to towers). It would have been fine to have that much damage, if he had to build damage items to do that damage. And it would have been fine for him to have that level of early game lane dominance, if his lategame was like Shaco-level. Manaless, Sustain, Stealth, High Base Stats. That is basically old Rengar. He was like a manaless Nunu with a short CD on Consume. Heck, I feel like I just gave Riot an Idea for their next champ. | ||
Wrag
France124 Posts
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
On September 13 2013 18:26 Wrag wrote: Any chance we could get a big obvious 'no spoil' thread header in here during worlds? Want to have something safe to read while at work for the next few weeks ![]() During the event I'm sure we can all use the live report thread and maybe for a day after but a few weeks of not discussing worlds here? not a chance mate. | ||
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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Nytefish
United Kingdom4282 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On September 13 2013 18:26 Wrag wrote: Any chance we could get a big obvious 'no spoil' thread header in here during worlds? Want to have something safe to read while at work for the next few weeks ![]() Spoilers are pretty heavily looked down upon on TL. Usually GD is safe unless you catch a spoiler before a mod edits it. | ||
Cuddle
Sweden1345 Posts
On September 13 2013 16:52 cLutZ wrote: + Show Spoiler + On September 13 2013 16:35 obesechicken13 wrote: Not really. If you're jungling you try to get to 5 stacks before ganking so you have the most to work with during the gank and possibly an empowered E if needed. You want to auto before each Q to get the auto reset off without wasting a reset by getting an empowered and regular Q W is useful when teamfighting or jungling for the armor/resists, not just the damage, so you space them out to get the armor bonus for longer so you can tank more damage. (Armor and mr do not stack on Rengar) Of course Rengar's bola is an up front slow that gets weaker so you want to throw the second one, not immediately after the first, but you don't necessarily want to wait for the first to wear off before throwing the second one either because the slow becomes almost nothing for the last second making catching up to your opponent more important. If you're jungling you should be playing energy or non-mana champs so you can donate blue without hurting yourself. This is just an advantage some junglers have that is offset by the efficiency of spirit stone. Why the hell does Lee Sin not want to spam skills? #BringBackManaCosts It's hard to play against a good Rengar but it's also hard to play a good Rengar. Instead of making every melee champ easy to counter I'd rather the game just made more melees hard to deal with like Rengar. Yesterday I saw Voyboy (losing team, not fed) 1v1 a Jax as Urgot. That was just dumb. But it's also dumb that Rengar has two abilities with a base of 150 damage. Few other champion has such shitty ability scaling. Empowered strikes are good but they're not as good as any ult in terms of damage. In order to balance Rengar they had to make the base damage on his abilities nearly the lowest in the game for melee assasins because his stealth ganks and resourcelessness were too strong. Similarly Katarina has shitty base damage on her abilities and doesn't use mana, but she needs low base damage otherwise she'd get fed and become an unstoppable pentakill machine much more often. Yea, Rengar is not capable of being balanced. If someone who actually liked Rengar told me what is the "core" of the champion I could design him in a way to make the champ not impossible to balance. But the fact is you have to give him mana and make the passive Annie-like, and change his ultimate to not grant stealth (or if it gives stealth, it should be instant, and be for escape only). I play a lot of Rengar and to me, the "boo-factor" is the core of Rengar and the reason why I enjoy him so much. All I want is to be able to win trades or all-ins if I get the jump on someone. I don't need to be able to 2-shot someone (as is currently the case if you get ahead) but I'd like to be confident in my ability to trade/all-in if I can get the jump on people. That said, I don't mind if the fight goes on for longer than 2 seconds or if they make "getting the jump on someone" harder for Rengar. All I want is for everyone to feel "ohshitohshitohshit" when I come roaring out of a bush/stealth. | ||
Kouda
United States2205 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
So... expect a bunch of us to actually take 2 days (or even more depending on working hours) to catch up with VoDs. ^^' TL;DR TL recommended polls fighting~ "Hey guys we're glad to know there's nothing wrong with low-budget itemisation and the only concern is AP items yay!" Zzz... | ||
Wrag
France124 Posts
On September 13 2013 18:58 TheLink wrote: During the event I'm sure we can all use the live report thread and maybe for a day after but a few weeks of not discussing worlds here? not a chance mate. I don't expect more then not discussing the previous day, as i'll probably be seing 80% of games on the following late afternoon/early evening (as most europeans with office hours schedule will i'd guess). I know about TL's stance on this, didn't stop a few of OGNs games being spoiled in here ![]() | ||
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