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On August 27 2013 16:21 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 16:13 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 16:05 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 27 2013 15:54 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:53 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 27 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:06 sylverfyre wrote:On August 27 2013 14:49 MattBarry wrote:On August 27 2013 14:44 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
Is there anyone wits end is good on except irelia Wits end no longer good on her. Botrk and triforce already take the slot. New SV more than enough mr for her needs. Wits end used to be decent with pre change shyvana, and decent single damage item on mundo. It's still decent on irelia. She likes all the stats. I find it useful against swain and kayle since mercs with Wits end makes you nearly invincible to them and AS is great Re: Spirit Visage. I'm still stupidly irked they made SV this fucking good. SV used to be a niche item that was nice for a subset of champion, back when it built out of null magic mantle. Then the change to the build path for it with Negatron cloak, along with power creep for certain sustain champs made SV pretty powerful buy for those champions that could use it. Now it's essentially a fucking cure-all MR item. Wasn't that Riot's intention? Pretty sure they stated they wanted SV to be the "late-game" MR item after they removed FoN. They removed FoN for that very reason. lol. Well, their rationale was also that FoN gave a hodgepodge of stats that "made no sense," which I can kind of appreciate. It gave move speed, which was kind of weird for a defensive item. FoN also gave a crapton of regen, which was essentially moved to Warmog's since Riot wanted Warmog's to fill that role. Then it gave a crapload of MR. You also have to keep in mind that at the time, Banshee's was considered OP as fuck and everyone and their mother bought Banshees as the one-stop shop for MR. As a result, FoN, although it was built from time to time, really didn't fit any niche that well(outside of Singed/Mundo builds). I am sad they removed FoN though. I would've liked to see them keep the item. Having a movespeed+defensive stat item is pretty neat, even if odd. How did it "make no sense"? I thought the movespeed stats/regen/mr all fit a item design. Force of Nature, the movespeed being wind, MR being earthy, and regen being naturey. It all made sense. Because Riot still doesnt understand the power of movespeed, and FON was removed during the era when they introduced the absurd Black Cleaver, which means that they probably didnt understand the balance between double AP and double AD comps at the time, and thought that AP was too strong (it wasnt) and AD too weak (also wrong).
But they also nerfed the living shit out of ADC itemization. I guess they really wanted more offensive minded bruisers.
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On August 27 2013 11:48 TheYango wrote:
This honestly makes me want to try and do something with armor/level seals just to troll Moonbear, but it's too much effort.
A Malphite who wants to enhance his late-game damage and is laning against a Zac? You get 5.3 extra damage on Ground Slam at level 18 with flat runes, but 10.2 extra damage if you take scaling runes. Definitely worth the extra damage you take early from any auto attack harass.
+ Show Spoiler +defffffffinitely worth it
On August 27 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
Is there anyone wits end is good on except irelia
Last time I tried it on Cho it felt terrible, especially compared to Nashor's Tooth, and I swore to never buy it again.
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On August 27 2013 16:25 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 16:21 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2013 16:13 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 16:05 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 27 2013 15:54 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:53 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 27 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:06 sylverfyre wrote:On August 27 2013 14:49 MattBarry wrote:On August 27 2013 14:44 wei2coolman wrote:
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Wits end no longer good on her. Botrk and triforce already take the slot. New SV more than enough mr for her needs. Wits end used to be decent with pre change shyvana, and decent single damage item on mundo. It's still decent on irelia. She likes all the stats. I find it useful against swain and kayle since mercs with Wits end makes you nearly invincible to them and AS is great Re: Spirit Visage. I'm still stupidly irked they made SV this fucking good. SV used to be a niche item that was nice for a subset of champion, back when it built out of null magic mantle. Then the change to the build path for it with Negatron cloak, along with power creep for certain sustain champs made SV pretty powerful buy for those champions that could use it. Now it's essentially a fucking cure-all MR item. Wasn't that Riot's intention? Pretty sure they stated they wanted SV to be the "late-game" MR item after they removed FoN. They removed FoN for that very reason. lol. Well, their rationale was also that FoN gave a hodgepodge of stats that "made no sense," which I can kind of appreciate. It gave move speed, which was kind of weird for a defensive item. FoN also gave a crapton of regen, which was essentially moved to Warmog's since Riot wanted Warmog's to fill that role. Then it gave a crapload of MR. You also have to keep in mind that at the time, Banshee's was considered OP as fuck and everyone and their mother bought Banshees as the one-stop shop for MR. As a result, FoN, although it was built from time to time, really didn't fit any niche that well(outside of Singed/Mundo builds). I am sad they removed FoN though. I would've liked to see them keep the item. Having a movespeed+defensive stat item is pretty neat, even if odd. How did it "make no sense"? I thought the movespeed stats/regen/mr all fit a item design. Force of Nature, the movespeed being wind, MR being earthy, and regen being naturey. It all made sense. Because Riot still doesnt understand the power of movespeed, and FON was removed during the era when they introduced the absurd Black Cleaver, which means that they probably didnt understand the balance between double AP and double AD comps at the time, and thought that AP was too strong (it wasnt) and AD too weak (also wrong). But they also nerfed the living shit out of ADC itemization. I guess they really wanted more offensive minded bruisers.
Oh you mean like Olaf? The character they killed the very next patch? Or Irelia/Jax the characters they killed in the patch I am talking about?
Basically the S3 itemization goals was to say: AD is better, AS is worse. HP is better, Armor and MR is worse. Slowly, throughout the season, they have figured out that all those design decisions were wrong.
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On August 27 2013 16:32 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 16:25 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 16:21 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2013 16:13 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 16:05 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 27 2013 15:54 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:53 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 27 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:06 sylverfyre wrote:On August 27 2013 14:49 MattBarry wrote:
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It's still decent on irelia. She likes all the stats. I find it useful against swain and kayle since mercs with Wits end makes you nearly invincible to them and AS is great Re: Spirit Visage. I'm still stupidly irked they made SV this fucking good. SV used to be a niche item that was nice for a subset of champion, back when it built out of null magic mantle. Then the change to the build path for it with Negatron cloak, along with power creep for certain sustain champs made SV pretty powerful buy for those champions that could use it. Now it's essentially a fucking cure-all MR item. Wasn't that Riot's intention? Pretty sure they stated they wanted SV to be the "late-game" MR item after they removed FoN. They removed FoN for that very reason. lol. Well, their rationale was also that FoN gave a hodgepodge of stats that "made no sense," which I can kind of appreciate. It gave move speed, which was kind of weird for a defensive item. FoN also gave a crapton of regen, which was essentially moved to Warmog's since Riot wanted Warmog's to fill that role. Then it gave a crapload of MR. You also have to keep in mind that at the time, Banshee's was considered OP as fuck and everyone and their mother bought Banshees as the one-stop shop for MR. As a result, FoN, although it was built from time to time, really didn't fit any niche that well(outside of Singed/Mundo builds). I am sad they removed FoN though. I would've liked to see them keep the item. Having a movespeed+defensive stat item is pretty neat, even if odd. How did it "make no sense"? I thought the movespeed stats/regen/mr all fit a item design. Force of Nature, the movespeed being wind, MR being earthy, and regen being naturey. It all made sense. Because Riot still doesnt understand the power of movespeed, and FON was removed during the era when they introduced the absurd Black Cleaver, which means that they probably didnt understand the balance between double AP and double AD comps at the time, and thought that AP was too strong (it wasnt) and AD too weak (also wrong). But they also nerfed the living shit out of ADC itemization. I guess they really wanted more offensive minded bruisers. Oh you mean like Olaf? The character they killed the very next patch? Or Irelia/Jax the characters they killed in the patch I am talking about? Basically the S3 itemization goals was to say: AD is better, AS is worse. HP is better, Armor and MR is worse. Slowly, throughout the season, they have figured out that all those design decisions were wrong.
Kha'Zix, Jayce, and Zed. It wouldn't be so annoying if Riot was consistent with their balance philosophy, but now it just feel schizophrenic
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On August 27 2013 16:42 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 16:32 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2013 16:25 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 16:21 cLutZ wrote:On August 27 2013 16:13 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 16:05 Ryuu314 wrote:On August 27 2013 15:54 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:53 Inflicted_ wrote:On August 27 2013 15:29 wei2coolman wrote:On August 27 2013 15:06 sylverfyre wrote:
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Re: Spirit Visage. I'm still stupidly irked they made SV this fucking good. SV used to be a niche item that was nice for a subset of champion, back when it built out of null magic mantle. Then the change to the build path for it with Negatron cloak, along with power creep for certain sustain champs made SV pretty powerful buy for those champions that could use it. Now it's essentially a fucking cure-all MR item. Wasn't that Riot's intention? Pretty sure they stated they wanted SV to be the "late-game" MR item after they removed FoN. They removed FoN for that very reason. lol. Well, their rationale was also that FoN gave a hodgepodge of stats that "made no sense," which I can kind of appreciate. It gave move speed, which was kind of weird for a defensive item. FoN also gave a crapton of regen, which was essentially moved to Warmog's since Riot wanted Warmog's to fill that role. Then it gave a crapload of MR. You also have to keep in mind that at the time, Banshee's was considered OP as fuck and everyone and their mother bought Banshees as the one-stop shop for MR. As a result, FoN, although it was built from time to time, really didn't fit any niche that well(outside of Singed/Mundo builds). I am sad they removed FoN though. I would've liked to see them keep the item. Having a movespeed+defensive stat item is pretty neat, even if odd. How did it "make no sense"? I thought the movespeed stats/regen/mr all fit a item design. Force of Nature, the movespeed being wind, MR being earthy, and regen being naturey. It all made sense. Because Riot still doesnt understand the power of movespeed, and FON was removed during the era when they introduced the absurd Black Cleaver, which means that they probably didnt understand the balance between double AP and double AD comps at the time, and thought that AP was too strong (it wasnt) and AD too weak (also wrong). But they also nerfed the living shit out of ADC itemization. I guess they really wanted more offensive minded bruisers. Oh you mean like Olaf? The character they killed the very next patch? Or Irelia/Jax the characters they killed in the patch I am talking about? Basically the S3 itemization goals was to say: AD is better, AS is worse. HP is better, Armor and MR is worse. Slowly, throughout the season, they have figured out that all those design decisions were wrong. Kha'Zix, Jayce, and Zed. It wouldn't be so annoying if Riot was consistent with their balance philosophy, but now it just feel schizophrenic
Schizo? Or wrong? Because IMO the answer is wrong. Burst is worse than sustained damage for LOL (based on its balance philosophy) and similarly the need to counter lane bullies and counter a specific fed lane opponent is important is also a key part of LOL. Both these were reduced S3, so IDK what comes next
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Well at this point it's both
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ya man getting 100 to 0 by rengar in .5 seconds is anti fun as hell
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On August 27 2013 16:30 Aldrovandi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
Is there anyone wits end is good on except irelia Last time I tried it on Cho it felt terrible, especially compared to Nashor's Tooth, and I swore to never buy it again.
The nut on lane Warwick, or really fed jungle Warwick I guess. Frozen Heart -> Spirit Visage -> Wit's End.
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On August 27 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
Is there anyone wits end is good on except irelia
Shen and Warwick.
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It's good on Warwick, Teemo & Kayle off the top of my head. I never tried with Diana but it probably sucks on her as I don't even get Nashors tooth on her anymore.
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On August 27 2013 17:01 TheLink wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 16:30 Aldrovandi wrote:On August 27 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
Is there anyone wits end is good on except irelia Last time I tried it on Cho it felt terrible, especially compared to Nashor's Tooth, and I swore to never buy it again. The nut on lane Warwick, or really fed jungle Warwick I guess. Frozen Heart -> Spirit Visage -> Wit's End.
nah man. Lucian and WW bot lane. double wit's end too stronk.
if wit's was better it could be cool on varus, trist, or kog (in terms of ADC).
I really really hope Riot cleans up their scheduling for next year. they need to talk with all the leagues and set a date far in advance. and also have not such a silly tourney structure.
I'd love to see a standardized league structure for all leagues but that might be a little monotonous.
I want a winter season, then some sort of international competition, then summer season followed by worlds. and the winter season should mean something. a point system like OGN would be nice.
Fuck it. just copy OGN. riot plz.
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On August 27 2013 17:20 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
Is there anyone wits end is good on except irelia Shen and Warwick.
If you're against someone with significant amounts of magic damage, I think it just is a really good item in general. Udyr for one can make use of it, and Elise as well in my opinion(-25mr really hurts). I also think it's good on Kennen against magic dmg stuff solo top but might be just me being crazy. Oh yeah, and it synergizes perfectly with Shyvana.
Problem though is that if you're bruiser / more tanky type you can just build a Spirit Visage
The item would have been much much better if they kept Madreds Bloodrazor.
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On August 27 2013 16:59 FinestHour wrote:
ya man getting 100 to 0 by rengar in .5 seconds is anti fun as hell
That is kind of the LOL problem in a nutshell. Rengar 100-0 Potential is against the design philosophy. But also, Rengar infinite sustain is even more against design philosophy. And we knew this years before Rengar existed. Then, post Rengar, we createe=d more Rengar #1 characters. Why?
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On August 27 2013 17:30 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2013 17:20 Sponkz wrote:On August 27 2013 14:40 MattBarry wrote:
Is there anyone wits end is good on except irelia Shen and Warwick. If you're against someone with significant amounts of magic damage, I think it just is a really good item in general. Udyr for one can make use of it, and Elise as well in my opinion(-25mr really hurts). I also think it's good on Kennen against magic dmg stuff solo top but might be just me being crazy. Oh yeah, and it synergizes perfectly with Shyvana. Problem though is that if you're bruiser / more tanky type you can just build a Spirit Visage The item would have been much much better if they kept Madreds Bloodrazor.
Against double AP i like both. As long as you extend your balls to the size of your head, you're pretty much unstoppable.
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Has Riot ever given an answer as to why they shy away from activation abilities on items compared to Dota?
My hunch is they'd say something about wanting the champs to shine, not the items... but that seems silly. So any actual info/quote would be nice.
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Is there any counterplay to a fed fizz? Like it's so ridiculously hard to stop him from one shotting anyone. Really hard to focus him because of his E, and he'll just erase someone in less than a second with just ult + w/q. I'm really at a loss as to how to beat that.
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yeah hard cc and exhaust, though chances are their team just aces you while everyone wastes everything to shutdown fizz, or any superfed assassin for that matter.
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6 item lucian feels like god
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On August 27 2013 18:15 IMoperator wrote:
Is there any counterplay to a fed fizz? Like it's so ridiculously hard to stop him from one shotting anyone. Really hard to focus him because of his E, and he'll just erase someone in less than a second with just ult + w/q. I'm really at a loss as to how to beat that.
They probably don't want the learning curve to overwhelm people too much. If items depended on activation then some players might not be able to make full use of certain items if they forget to play it. Zhonya's/DFG/Botrk etc. are all pretty straight forward. Compare that to items like force staff in dota and things can get a lot more complex.
Also, active items with major effects like stun/blink/push would be overpowered as hell in league. I think in general the game design and mechanics of league don't allow much more room for items to have big effects which could potentially be game breaking on certain heroes.
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