EPTI'll address the Roffles/PX debacle a few hours after LCS today. Until then, don't speculate, I've already come to a decision and will post it later.
Thank you.
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
I'll address the Roffles/PX debacle a few hours after LCS today. Until then, don't speculate, I've already come to a decision and will post it later. Thank you. | ||
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ComaDose
Canada10357 Posts
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Simberto
Germany11569 Posts
"Is WW a good support? I think he might be because of x, y, z." If you state something as a fact, you should be able to back it up with proof. Moreso if it defies the status quo and is contrary to what most people believe to be true. "WW is a good support!" should be backed up by proof. Real maths, comparisons describing why it is better then common supports, replays, stuff like that. If you don't want to back up everything you state as a fact, you should at least be able to provide proof if asked for it. Even stuff like "I am challenger and i say it works" is pretty good here. Insulting people is never useful. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
On August 24 2013 01:25 Simberto wrote: In my opinion, there are two ways to go about discussing stuff. You either ask questions, or you state a fact. If you ask a question, there is no further requirement, though accepting answers that make sense is a good idea. For example, there is nothing wrong with: "Is WW a good support? I think he might be because of x, y, z." If you state something as a fact, you should be able to back it up with proof. Moreso if it defies the status quo and is contrary to what most people believe to be true. "WW is a good support!" should be backed up by proof. Real maths, comparisons describing why it is better then common supports, replays, stuff like that. If you don't want to back up everything you state as a fact, you should at least be able to provide proof if asked for it. Even stuff like "I am challenger and i say it works" is pretty good here. Insulting people is never useful. Agreed. I can understand where people are coming from when they are irritated that someone with less experience and success state certain things as fact without backing that with logic or evidence. Nonetheless, people should remain relatively civil or just stop posting. As you say, insulting people is never useful and accomplishes nothing. I realize this is a message board and people aren't going to be little angels all of the time, and mostly I don't feel the need to comment on it, but lately, reading both GD and In-Houses, some peoples behavior is too abrasive and detracts from the forum. If I can no longer ignore people being ass-holes, then theres a problem, thats the only reason I posted in the first place. | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
So, I really like the change to Triforce with the Phage change (well I liked the HP better but the speed boost is nice) and Sheen buff. Still, it wasn't changed much since S2 (at least far as I remember). Its basically been buffed several times, but it fell out of competitive play. Why was that? Was it because the champions it was good on fell out of play (like Corki or Jax) or because better alternatives to it appeared (like IBG)? This was brought up awhile ago, but philo is a pretty legit alternative to spirit stone. The gp5 is nice so you can afford wards and such a little more easily and if you feel you're going to be camping a lot. I don't feel much of a difference in clear speed either,except on guys who I go machete + atkspd runes on. The problem remains that it feels like a bit of a deadend item though. Ohmwrecker is still so awkward to build, and Shurleyas is just a pile of discounted but useless regen. I want to try Ohmwrecker on Fiddle jungle though, or maybe even TF. Still, hard to justify when wraithstone is so good. EDIT: I liked Bulwark, but really Aegis was a nice item as it was in S2. Amazingly good for the team, not super slot efficient for a champ by himself. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On August 24 2013 01:37 KissBlade wrote: I'm having an AWFUL time with the new locket on junglers. The timing/cost/buildup just seem so frigging garbage. For 300 more, I can get a Warmogs! And the giants belt build is up way more useful as well. It's in an odd place. It's a good midgame teamfight item still, but as you said the build-up doesn't always feel smooth. You can get it lategame, but it's not a *great* lategame item, and it never really was. I think if you get fed it's a good item to rush, but if you aren't fed you get stuck on crummy items for far too long and it delays your good items too long. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 24 2013 01:37 KissBlade wrote: I'm having an AWFUL time with the new locket on junglers. The timing/cost/buildup just seem so frigging garbage. For 300 more, I can get a Warmogs! And the giants belt build up is way more useful as well. I feel like locket is a noobtrap in jungle now. Back in season 2, you could grab Aegis right after philostone, or after 2nd dblade, so you had a strong item timing with it, it had much more impact. Now Aegis is gotten a bit later due to new jungle items being so key. On August 24 2013 01:41 ticklishmusic wrote: Let's get back to discussing the game guys. So, I really like the change to Triforce with the Phage change (well I liked the HP better but the speed boost is nice) and Sheen buff. Still, it wasn't changed much since S2 (at least far as I remember). Its basically been buffed several times, but it fell out of competitive play. Why was that? Was it because the champions it was good on fell out of play (like Corki or Jax) or because better alternatives to it appeared (like IBG)? This was brought up awhile ago, but philo is a pretty legit alternative to spirit stone. The gp5 is nice so you can afford wards and such a little more easily and if you feel you're going to be camping a lot. I don't feel much of a difference in clear speed either,except on guys who I go machete + atkspd runes on. The problem remains that it feels like a bit of a deadend item though. Ohmwrecker is still so awkward to build, and Shurleyas is just a pile of discounted but useless regen. I want to try Ohmwrecker on Fiddle jungle though, or maybe even TF. EDIT: I liked Bulwark, but really Aegis was a nice item as it was in S2. Amazingly good for the team, not super slot efficient for a champ by himself. There were plenty of things that got triforce removed from meta. IBG is a big reason, it offered more tankiness, the utility of sheen + phage, a more reliable usage of slow, without useless zeal stats (for those who didn't really need the zeal to be effective), and CDR. Also, BotRK became the de facto single damage item that bruisers needed. Triforce used to fill the niche of "I only need a single damage item, and *this* was it." Now BotRK fits that slot so well. The nerf to phages in early s3 were huge, the increased build cost and the crappy slow made it an awkward build up in lane. Also, been thinking about TF + fmallet thing I've been spewing on about. There are some more negative than I initially thought, in comparison to IBG. Though TF+Fmallet full build should do more damage than IBG full build, the timing for the effectiveness of these items are completely different. With the manamune->IBG, you can hit that kiting potential of EZ much much earlier than you could with TF+Fmallet, simply due to the CDR timing from IBG+ionian boots, vs just ionian boots. Not to mention the sheer cost difference between the item builds. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 24 2013 01:37 KissBlade wrote: I'm having an AWFUL time with the new locket on junglers. The timing/cost/buildup just seem so frigging garbage. For 300 more, I can get a Warmogs! And the giants belt build up is way more useful as well. Frankly, I've been changing my tune completely after Spirit Stone item + MoBos. Either it's straight defensive with Randuin's or SV or I go with something like Phage/Static Shiv (Yi)/Haunting Guise depending on what's the most useful to my team. If the support wants to get Aegis, okay, but even as a support I rarely get it nowadays. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I wanna try Skarner Triforce top. I NEED to try Skarner Triforce top. Any tips on playing him ? EDIT : All due credit to Based Watch. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 24 2013 01:48 mr_tolkien wrote: http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_champions'_attack_damage I wanna try Skarner Triforce top. I NEED to try Skarner Triforce top. Any tips on playing him ? Don't play him top. He's just going to be eaten alive. Play chogath instead. W-AA-Q-ULT-AA = lol. | ||
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Feartheguru
Canada1334 Posts
On August 24 2013 01:49 wei2coolman wrote: I find it funny Riot removed FoN in s3, then put spectre's cowl and the new SV in the game. Don't play him top. He's just going to be eaten alive. Play chogath instead. W-AA-Q-ULT-AA = lol. What's funny about it? They removed FoN cause it only made sense on like 2 champions. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
Why shouldn't he work top ? He's got some pretty awesome waveclear and is deceptively tanky. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 24 2013 01:53 mr_tolkien wrote: Ok you just REALLY made me want to play him top. Why shouldn't he work top ? He's got some pretty awesome waveclear and is deceptively tanky. Play him top, and you'll know what I'm going on about. His kit just doesn't work out well for laning. He has no way to reliably harass someone from range, so you can't initiate any engage without being dragged beyond your creep wave, so your forced to play defensive. So what ends up happening is you get shoved on turret cuz you can't retaliate, and then you just have crappy time under turret for all of laning phase. However if you can get 6 items on the mofo, he pretty much shits on anyone though. On August 24 2013 01:53 Feartheguru wrote: What's funny about it? They removed FoN cause it only made sense on like 2 champions. What? FoN was good on a lot of champions. I just found it funny how they thought FoN offered like no counterplay cuz insane amount of MR, so they removed it. But then buff SV to past FoN levels. Also, I loved FoN's movespeed buff, that shit was sick. So stupid that bruisers can't really build MS any more, outside of boots. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
*for Skarner | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
Normally, i just buy other items that help me personally more. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
I'll try my E-max Skarner top later. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 24 2013 02:10 mr_tolkien wrote: Dunno, it feels like E really deals quite a lot of damage from a safe range as well as offering good sustain. I'll try my E-max Skarner top later. Isn't E the only ability you don't level up in jungle skarner? | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On August 24 2013 02:15 wei2coolman wrote: Isn't E the only ability you don't level up in jungle skarner? That's correct. | ||
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