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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 17:24 GMT
#621
On August 24 2013 02:16 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:15 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
Dunno, it feels like E really deals quite a lot of damage from a safe range as well as offering good sustain.

I'll try my E-max Skarner top later.

Isn't E the only ability you don't level up in jungle skarner?


That's correct.

I don't see how that how E maxing in top lane would be better then.
liftlift > tsm
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#622
Completely anecdotal but I faced a skarner in 3s once and the bug became unkillable. All I remember was he had two dblades and then maybe ibg and wit's?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 17:30:38
August 23 2013 17:29 GMT
#623
E isnt a 1 point wonder spell therefore you choose to max 2 of Q, W, and E. For jungling Q is the best spell, and W>E (at least arguably)

max E skarner might still be the best top lane

most champs have at least 1 spell that has most of its strength at level 1 skarner is an exception and mana constraints bottleneck your options, they are going to change that in the rework however
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 17:30 GMT
#624
On August 24 2013 02:29 Slayer91 wrote:
E isnt a 1 point wonder spell therefore you choose to max 2 of Q, W, and E. For jungling Q is the best spell, and W>E (at least arguably)

max E skarner might still be the best top lane

How much sustain is it? on his E? is it significant enough to warrant it over shields on his W?
liftlift > tsm
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 17:33:35
August 23 2013 17:32 GMT
#625
On August 24 2013 02:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
Dunno, it feels like E really deals quite a lot of damage from a safe range as well as offering good sustain.

I'll try my E-max Skarner top later.


His E sucks. Bad. It's short ranged, hard to land, costs a TON of mana (if you spam E forget about using other skills), and just never does that much.

If you want to top lane him wait for vs a meele champ and do it, his Q does a metric shit ton of damage in lane. Your main enemy will be mana. I've seen Skarner top about 5-6 times now, and only once it did well. Just a lot of his kit is no good for laning (his Q will massively push a lane like Noc passive), so if you get behind you are basically doomed. Idk I just don't see it.

Now, off to Miami for the weekend! Going to watch some LCS on the beach :D!

On August 24 2013 02:29 Slayer91 wrote:
E isnt a 1 point wonder spell therefore you choose to max 2 of Q, W, and E. For jungling Q is the best spell, and W>E (at least arguably)

max E skarner might still be the best top lane

most champs have at least 1 spell that has most of its strength at level 1 skarner is an exception and mana constraints bottleneck your options, they are going to change that in the rework however


W > E is not really arguable, it's 100% for sure. You literally don't waste one point in E to max Q and W faster. E just never does much except on paper.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 23 2013 17:32 GMT
#626
On August 24 2013 01:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Heyoka slammed down the banhammer this morning while I'm still working and I agree with the bans. But more importantly, these two bans highlight a bigger underlying problem with TL LoL GD over the past week.

I'll address the Roffles/PX debacle a few hours after LCS today. Until then, don't speculate, I've already come to a decision and will post it later.

Thank you.

Neo has prevented me from using my psychic link with him to tell you all what he's thinking this time.
Sorry guise
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
August 23 2013 17:33 GMT
#627
Wardens / Cowl are baller mid-game defensive items. They are literally all i build atm, fuck that shitty aegis / locket on a jungler and anything else on a top.

Theres no reason to get anything else imo
Useless wet fish.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
August 23 2013 17:35 GMT
#628
When Skarner first came out I was playing him top with E max, it was pretty hilarious to hit someone with an e for 1/4 their HP and sustain off of it
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
August 23 2013 17:36 GMT
#629
the obvious solution is QQ
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 23 2013 17:38 GMT
#630
Well city decided 9:30am was a good time to remove the tree stump in front of my house. With a basement room facing the stump, rather rude awakening to say the least. Nice GD thread to wake up to I guess. Esports waits for nobody.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 17:40 GMT
#631
On August 24 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 01:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Heyoka slammed down the banhammer this morning while I'm still working and I agree with the bans. But more importantly, these two bans highlight a bigger underlying problem with TL LoL GD over the past week.

I'll address the Roffles/PX debacle a few hours after LCS today. Until then, don't speculate, I've already come to a decision and will post it later.

Thank you.

Neo has prevented me from using my psychic link with him to tell you all what he's thinking this time.
Sorry guise

Wave, I am disappoint.
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 23 2013 17:42 GMT
#632
On August 24 2013 02:40 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Heyoka slammed down the banhammer this morning while I'm still working and I agree with the bans. But more importantly, these two bans highlight a bigger underlying problem with TL LoL GD over the past week.

I'll address the Roffles/PX debacle a few hours after LCS today. Until then, don't speculate, I've already come to a decision and will post it later.

Thank you.

Neo has prevented me from using my psychic link with him to tell you all what he's thinking this time.
Sorry guise

Wave, I am disappoint.

Don't be disappoint, go watch VODs from last night's IHs!
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 17:43 GMT
#633
On August 24 2013 02:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:40 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 24 2013 02:32 WaveofShadow wrote:
On August 24 2013 01:14 NeoIllusions wrote:
Heyoka slammed down the banhammer this morning while I'm still working and I agree with the bans. But more importantly, these two bans highlight a bigger underlying problem with TL LoL GD over the past week.

I'll address the Roffles/PX debacle a few hours after LCS today. Until then, don't speculate, I've already come to a decision and will post it later.

Thank you.

Neo has prevented me from using my psychic link with him to tell you all what he's thinking this time.
Sorry guise

Wave, I am disappoint.

Don't be disappoint, go watch VODs from last night's IHs!

link?
liftlift > tsm
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
August 23 2013 17:48 GMT
#634
I feel bad for putting in GD but what the hell.
http://www.twitch.tv/waveofshadow/b/449976134
Going to try and stream some more tonight, whether IHs or me attempting solo Q.
Maybe I'll pull a Req and start one of those 'for the love of god please help me improve' deals.

With less rage of course.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 17:54 GMT
#635
On August 24 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I feel bad for putting in GD but what the hell.
http://www.twitch.tv/waveofshadow/b/449976134
Going to try and stream some more tonight, whether IHs or me attempting solo Q.
Maybe I'll pull a Req and start one of those 'for the love of god please help me improve' deals.

With less rage of course.

Oh man dat commentating, totally want to do more IHs so someone could cast my crappy plays.
liftlift > tsm
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
August 23 2013 17:56 GMT
#636
On August 24 2013 02:32 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:10 mr_tolkien wrote:
Dunno, it feels like E really deals quite a lot of damage from a safe range as well as offering good sustain.

I'll try my E-max Skarner top later.


His E sucks. Bad. It's short ranged, hard to land, costs a TON of mana (if you spam E forget about using other skills), and just never does that much.

If you want to top lane him wait for vs a meele champ and do it, his Q does a metric shit ton of damage in lane. Your main enemy will be mana. I've seen Skarner top about 5-6 times now, and only once it did well. Just a lot of his kit is no good for laning (his Q will massively push a lane like Noc passive), so if you get behind you are basically doomed. Idk I just don't see it.

Now, off to Miami for the weekend! Going to watch some LCS on the beach :D!

Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 02:29 Slayer91 wrote:
E isnt a 1 point wonder spell therefore you choose to max 2 of Q, W, and E. For jungling Q is the best spell, and W>E (at least arguably)

max E skarner might still be the best top lane

most champs have at least 1 spell that has most of its strength at level 1 skarner is an exception and mana constraints bottleneck your options, they are going to change that in the rework however


W > E is not really arguable, it's 100% for sure. You literally don't waste one point in E to max Q and W faster. E just never does much except on paper.


you dont understand, its not about E being so bad you dont even put any points in it, its that its a skill designed to max first because its only good purely based on its numbers. Rank 5 E does 240 damage and 90 healing (up to 180 if you proc like 4 charges with q on a wave of wraith camp) and W shields 250, with a ms and attack speed buff. If E was buffed enough to be better than W everyone would put 0 points in W and max Q and E
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 18:00 GMT
#637
I think 1 point in W would still be worth it for the movespeed utility.
liftlift > tsm
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
August 23 2013 18:03 GMT
#638
Did they change how much LP is gained this patch? Earlier this week when I was playing, I was only getting +10/-10 on average, but since last night I've played about 10 games and went from gold 5 to almost gold 2, winning +30-40. Doesn't seem right
twitch.tv/TKSaga twitter.com/TKSagaTV YT: Tinyurl.com/TKSaga
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 23 2013 18:06 GMT
#639
On August 23 2013 19:38 RagequitBM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 17:30 Kinie wrote:
Why is it that whenever I do a ranked game I get the dumbest, rudest opponents and lose all the time, yet when I do ARAMs with friends we just win?


I was once in your position too. Except placed in Bronze III. I cared too much about winning and losing, and would just go on tilt. I started just playing to have fun, and improve. Ended up going legendary everygame, carrying with highest damage done, and am currently Silver III gaining 40 LP per win.

League is all about your attitude. If you go in just to have fun, and not stress about winning or losing. You end up playing far better.

TL;DR: Shit happens. Make the best of it.

This coming from someone with your handle...
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 18:07 GMT
#640
On August 24 2013 03:03 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Did they change how much LP is gained this patch? Earlier this week when I was playing, I was only getting +10/-10 on average, but since last night I've played about 10 games and went from gold 5 to almost gold 2, winning +30-40. Doesn't seem right

No, it just depends on where your mmr/elo is in comparison to your division. If your ELO is significantly higher than your division you'll gain a lot more LP per win, and lose less LP per loss. But if your ELO is lower compared to division, you lose more than you gain. If it's around where it should be, you gain/lose the same.
liftlift > tsm
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