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[PSA]: Challenging the status quo...
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 23 2013 15:02 GMT
#561
Even if there's no payment involved, I believe you're still not allowed to give someone your account if we're speaking of technicalities. It happens all the time and I don't think Riot is strict about enforcing that rule.
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 23 2013 15:02 GMT
#562
Roffles has been way too abrasive for a couple of months now but when he talks about needing someone like Chill back in the BW days that would just outright ban people for being stubborn about REALLY OBVIOUSLY STUPID theorycrafting nonsense I honestly really do agree to a great degree.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 15:05:36
August 23 2013 15:05 GMT
#563
Been in 3 straight games where the Blue Ez decided instead of IBG Blue Ez, their final build ended up with FMallet/TF.

Not sure I particularly like it or think its better than original Blue Ez-IBG variations, but its funny see'ing ADC's with TF again.

Forget the buildup of those, but I'm sure it went something like BT->Tear->TF->LW->FM. Or Tear and BT could of been switched. Pretty sure IBG is still "better", especially with the CDR on that thing.

Edit: Oh damn Roffles. lol
Forever Young
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 15:13 GMT
#564
On August 24 2013 00:05 sung_moon wrote:
Been in 3 straight games where the Blue Ez decided instead of IBG Blue Ez, their final build ended up with FMallet/TF.

Not sure I particularly like it or think its better than original Blue Ez-IBG variations, but its funny see'ing ADC's with TF again.

Forget the buildup of those, but I'm sure it went something like BT->Tear->TF->LW->FM. Or Tear and BT could of been switched. Pretty sure IBG is still "better", especially with the CDR on that thing.

Edit: Oh damn Roffles. lol

There's no reason not to do TF fmallet. The buff to triforce dmg is insane. Not to mention the increased ms + slow is a godly combo. Only hard part is getting sufficient cdr. I feel with tf fmallet ez you need some scaling cdr/lvl blues in your runes.
liftlift > tsm
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 23 2013 15:13 GMT
#565
On August 23 2013 23:59 ticklishmusic wrote:
Yeah, but the skill level between Diamond and Gold is just huge. Maybe like Dyrus makes an account and does promos and goes 10-0 then lands in Gold and can cruise his way up to Diamond in a few dozen games, but I don't think you can stay at Gold V for any length of time and get matched with Diamonds. You'd spend more time in promo matches than games for LP, and probability says you'll eventually move up.

I agree that the original situation does sound shaky, I don't think anyone would get trapped at G5 stuck against Diamonds, something has to give. Either your MMR moves down or your rank moves up.

But when it comes to actual skill matchup, I'm always of the "any given Sunday" mentality. A Diamond should crush a silver/gold, but not always. That's why we took the damn field. Now if you want to crown them, then crown their ass. But they are who we thought they were. And we let them off the hook.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 23 2013 15:15 GMT
#566
By the way, regarding the turret items: apparently the "new" ones were put it on purpose to make dataminers yell. We took the bait hard. :<
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
captharlock
Profile Joined September 2010
United States223 Posts
August 23 2013 15:18 GMT
#567
On August 24 2013 00:00 Nos- wrote:
Anyways I played against a Lucian yesterday and first impression is that his passive is deceptively strong. With an early bork it hits harder than you think and his chasing/kiting is hilariously strong. Although his ult's kind of dumb if you just like sidestep it suddenly he's just shooting air for 4 seconds



His ult just as so much damage if you get hit by majority of it. Although it is pretty easy to avoid. One thing I noticed in playing against on last night. With the Hired Gun skin his Q is really hard to notice. I would compare it to Steel Legion Lux Q visually.
Baneslayer Angel could be hungover, slightly blind, and texting while flying and still win the game
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 15:19:32
August 23 2013 15:19 GMT
#568
On August 24 2013 00:15 Alaric wrote:
By the way, regarding the turret items: apparently the "new" ones were put it on purpose to make dataminers yell. We took the bait hard. :<


Darn, I was thinking of all the potential for new custom games with the gold bags.

Lucian bush ult real terror though.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
August 23 2013 15:19 GMT
#569
Hahahaha baited
I got five reasons for you to shut up
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 23 2013 15:20 GMT
#570
On August 24 2013 00:18 captharlock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 24 2013 00:00 Nos- wrote:
Anyways I played against a Lucian yesterday and first impression is that his passive is deceptively strong. With an early bork it hits harder than you think and his chasing/kiting is hilariously strong. Although his ult's kind of dumb if you just like sidestep it suddenly he's just shooting air for 4 seconds



His ult just as so much damage if you get hit by majority of it. Although it is pretty easy to avoid. One thing I noticed in playing against on last night. With the Hired Gun skin his Q is really hard to notice. I would compare it to Steel Legion Lux Q visually.

The wind up for it needs to be more obvious. The actual particle is fine.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 23 2013 15:22 GMT
#571
Maybe next time you guys will learn not to freak out about things that have only been on reignofgaming for 20 minutes
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 23 2013 15:25 GMT
#572
On August 23 2013 23:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 22:55 Ketara wrote:
I've played a couple games against Diamond 5's in gold.

The kind of Diamond 5's who have absolutely no business being in Diamond 5 and can't drop out of Diamond.

They're usually really ragey and not fun to play games with.


I'd say I'm one of those scrubcore Diamond V's.

Still, its a joke to say that a Gold (especially a V) player could beat even a scrub Diamond V, obviously excluding kids who got eloboosted. There's a huuuuuge gap in skill-- its like the same difference between Diamond 5 and Challengers, you might occasionally get matched up together, and most of the time the higher ranked guy will curbstomp you and your grandma. I've played on some friends' accounts in bronze/silver, and I win like 80%+ of games.

Random thing: So, my ranked 5's team (or three of the more active players) have decided they want to try and push for the Challenger's Circuit (they're Diamond IV). I've been pretty inactive (and will be even more inactive when school starts), so I'm probably giving my account to a new player whose an IRL friend of a couple guys because we're one of those teams with a name theme. I think I'm getting gifted Riot Graves or something on my regular account though because we've been good friends and so forth. That's okay and doesn't count as account selling right? o_o

Far as I'm concerned the path form Gold to Diamond has alot more to do with one's ability to teamwork and read gameflow than the mechanical nuances of the laning phase. Gold vs Diamond in a lane, I'd give the Diamond only a slightly higher chance of winning.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 23 2013 15:25 GMT
#573
The problem with gaming forums is you NEED the better players to be able to call someone out and tell them to "shut the fuck up". The more elite resourceful gaming tends to quality control posts for this reason. The problem is, because you'll obviously have a ratio in favor of unskilled players when it comes to measuring unskilled to skilled, you often have a few veterans more or less holding the gates against the masses. This tends to make a few more outspoken players look very very negative. What ultimately ends up happening is then inevitably the veteran players either stop posting or end up leaving altogether which drops the overall skill level of the community till it can build back up and the cycle repeats.

The issue with PrinceXizor is he's just contrarian to the extreme. I'm not even sure if he genuinely believes what he posts as much as just throws out random ideas to get people to thought experiment them. Now that might be giving him too much credit but I do think there's reasons to look into some things he posts in moderation and look for any potential theorycraft-able ideas from them.

I'd really like to make a case of knocking down those temp bans to a day but w/e.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 15:30:29
August 23 2013 15:29 GMT
#574
Yeah people freak out at PX too much.

Posting stupid ideas is good. People will show why they are stupid. People who don't know any better will read it and learn that they are stupid. This is all perfectly okay and in fact makes the forum a better place.

When it's one person posting all the stupid ideas all the time it gets a little old, but it's not something to pass out pitchforks about, IMO.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-23 15:37:36
August 23 2013 15:32 GMT
#575
On August 24 2013 00:22 Ketara wrote:
Maybe next time you guys will learn not to freak out about things that have only been on reignofgaming for 20 minutes

A majority of the champion changes actually go through, but this change was far too drastic. Also if Riot would just consistently release PBE patch notes data mining wouldn't be so prevalent.

Also, LOL this thread after I went to sleep.
On August 24 2013 00:29 Ketara wrote:
Yeah people freak out at PX too much.

Posting stupid ideas is good. People will show why they are stupid. People who don't know any better will read it and learn that they are stupid. This is all perfectly okay and in fact makes the forum a better place.

When it's one person posting all the stupid ideas all the time it gets a little old, but it's not something to pass out pitchforks about, IMO.

It's fine if you're willing to listen to reason and accept why it may be a dumb idea. I think it was the arrogance that annoyed Roffles the most.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
August 23 2013 15:36 GMT
#576
Datamining wouldn't have to happen if Riot just disclosed the mechanics of this game.

Like whenever they release patch notes they don't even give ratios or ranges.
Administrator@TL_Zess
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AwayFromLife
Profile Joined August 2011
United States441 Posts
August 23 2013 15:37 GMT
#577
It's not that Roffles is telling bad people to shut up. That's fine, we should do that. I need that a lot. It's the fact that he has this idea in his head that it's ok to be the biggest asshole over the smallest things because he's bulletproof. I feel like more than half his posts are less along the lines of "shut the fuck up, you're stupid" and more "shut the fuck up you retarded bedmonkey you should have a fucking muzzle you're so mentally braindead". For someone that's been around this long and has been given a translator postion by the powers that be, that's a really shitty attitude to have towards anyone and makes our community worse for it.

PX is just dumb. There's nothing wrong with throwing out bad or insane ideas. It's how new things come around, no one can deny that, but to stick with it, argue with anyone who raises any criticism, and to refuse to provide any evidence other than "I think it's a good idea so shut up" isn't the sort of person that TL needs. I come to TL for BW, SC2, and League because I'm trying to get away from that shit on the LoL forums, Reddit, and sites like RoG or Mobafire.

Both bans were perfect, and I think if the two of them come back and keep up the same shitty attitudes, they should eat another ban. We don't need people like that on this forum.
misirlou
Profile Joined June 2010
Portugal3316 Posts
August 23 2013 15:40 GMT
#578
On August 23 2013 18:16 StateAlchemist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 17:17 Sponkz wrote:
On August 23 2013 16:51 Owned Noob wrote:
bork triforce irelia is just retarded. its impossible for their squishies to get away, and following that up with sv/randuins/ga makes you pretty much unkillable. irelia is gonna be fotm as long as this shit stays the same guaranteed



Lane-swap
????
Profit


Darius back in the buisness. :D

Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 17:30 Kinie wrote:
... As I look at my lolking stats, since going 6-4 in placements, I have gone 1-8 in ranked games since being placed in Silver 4, and almost promptly getting deranked to Silver 5. What am I doing wrong?


Pretty much everything, u wont get far by bitching about your teammates and riding the blame train.
Step up your game, shut up and focus on your own play. You can't be serious about calling out people on their mistakes when you're probably not doing that much better anyways.


I cant state how important this advice is. I took this advice and I win most of the games where i just focus on my play. Im still pretty hot headed and I do rage occasionally and those are like 90% of the games I loose.
StateAlchemist
Profile Joined January 2011
France1946 Posts
August 23 2013 15:40 GMT
#579
On August 24 2013 00:25 Osmoses wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 23:42 ticklishmusic wrote:
On August 23 2013 22:55 Ketara wrote:
I've played a couple games against Diamond 5's in gold.

The kind of Diamond 5's who have absolutely no business being in Diamond 5 and can't drop out of Diamond.

They're usually really ragey and not fun to play games with.


I'd say I'm one of those scrubcore Diamond V's.

Still, its a joke to say that a Gold (especially a V) player could beat even a scrub Diamond V, obviously excluding kids who got eloboosted. There's a huuuuuge gap in skill-- its like the same difference between Diamond 5 and Challengers, you might occasionally get matched up together, and most of the time the higher ranked guy will curbstomp you and your grandma. I've played on some friends' accounts in bronze/silver, and I win like 80%+ of games.

Random thing: So, my ranked 5's team (or three of the more active players) have decided they want to try and push for the Challenger's Circuit (they're Diamond IV). I've been pretty inactive (and will be even more inactive when school starts), so I'm probably giving my account to a new player whose an IRL friend of a couple guys because we're one of those teams with a name theme. I think I'm getting gifted Riot Graves or something on my regular account though because we've been good friends and so forth. That's okay and doesn't count as account selling right? o_o

Far as I'm concerned the path form Gold to Diamond has alot more to do with one's ability to teamwork and read gameflow than the mechanical nuances of the laning phase. Gold vs Diamond in a lane, I'd give the Diamond only a slightly higher chance of winning.



Actually there is quite a gap between gold and diamond when it comes to mechanical skills and trading in lane, at least its how i feel about it in bot lane. But it would make sense that the story is the same mid/top.
Getting heavily out traded in lane doesnt bode well for the teamfights. ^^
But i agree, decision making is usually what makes the difference
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
August 23 2013 15:40 GMT
#580
I don't think it was arrogance as nothing PX said came across as arrogant. What I believe Roffles gets annoyed with is when people take legitimately awful ideas but have a manner of speaking that comes across as informative and correct. In addition, with selective use of numbers as "proof", many poor ideas can look very very valid.
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