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On August 23 2013 04:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Aside from the weird gold thing, are stats really getting altered that much? Just seems like they are contextualizing them with items.
Transmutation Stone
+100 Gold Capacity
UNIQUE Passive - Transmutation: Tower blasts that. kill a minion charge the tower, upon reaching 100 gold. The next tower attack will create a sack of gold which can be picked up by any champion,
welp there goes the game
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Wish Lucian's Q didn't need a target and could just be casted
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On August 23 2013 05:51 Amui wrote:
I really dislike crystal mark the more I think about it.
It's a crutch for last hitting. After playing for so long I can hit most CS under turret on champions I'm comfortable with because I know how much spell damage my skills do, and how much I autoattack for. It's just making the game easier for no discernable reason. There are people out there who hit sub 30 CS at 10 minutes under minimal pressure on a regular basis, they will hit maybe 5 more at best with this change. Why are you catering to them.
And then there's turret diving/harass and making you too safe under turret. A turret should protect you, but it shouldn't deter the other guy(s) from punishing you if you fucked up.
If they only get maybe 5 more cs (because they suck last-hitting) after the change and I get 10 more cs (because i'm more practiced last hitting) after the change then why the hell not? What I'm saying is if they suck last hitting (30 cs in 10 min) before the change then they will still suck after this change. While my cs under tower should never miss without pressure.
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On August 23 2013 06:00 Ghost-z wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 05:51 Amui wrote:
I really dislike crystal mark the more I think about it.
It's a crutch for last hitting. After playing for so long I can hit most CS under turret on champions I'm comfortable with because I know how much spell damage my skills do, and how much I autoattack for. It's just making the game easier for no discernable reason. There are people out there who hit sub 30 CS at 10 minutes under minimal pressure on a regular basis, they will hit maybe 5 more at best with this change. Why are you catering to them.
And then there's turret diving/harass and making you too safe under turret. A turret should protect you, but it shouldn't deter the other guy(s) from punishing you if you fucked up. If they only get maybe 5 more cs (because they suck last-hitting) after the change and I get 10 more cs (because i'm more practiced last hitting) after the change then why the hell not? What I'm saying is if they suck last hitting (30 cs in 10 min) before the change then they will still suck after this change. While my cs under tower should never miss without pressure.
If you were practiced at last hitting you'd hit the ones that require multiple hits and prep them, or be prepared to use skill(s) to catch the CS. You shouldn't be losing 10 creeps under turret even if you are pushed in.
If you watch pro level supports, they help their carries CS under turret by prepping them. That interaction would be gone, and a whole aspect of support play just disappeared.
Learning to CS properly under turret is hard, but it's also rewarding ($$$$$). It's a high skill high reward thing that would be removed from the game entirely if this change goes through.
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On August 23 2013 06:00 NotSorry wrote:
Wish Lucian's Q didn't need a target and could just be casted
Yeah that really irked me, along with the fact that the range on Q is longer than his AA but the selected target for Q still has to be in AA range. Doesn't make any sense to me. Anyone have insight on this?
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On August 23 2013 06:10 Zella Dae wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 06:00 NotSorry wrote:
Wish Lucian's Q didn't need a target and could just be casted Yeah that really irked me, along with the fact that the range on Q is longer than his AA but the selected target for Q still has to be in AA range. Doesn't make any sense to me. Anyone have insight on this?
Its Riots version of Psi blades for templar assassin in dota.
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On August 23 2013 06:00 NotSorry wrote:
Wish Lucian's Q didn't need a target and could just be casted
yeah it seems weird. cause its longer range than you can cast it at right? can you target minions?
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On August 23 2013 06:12 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 06:00 NotSorry wrote:
Wish Lucian's Q didn't need a target and could just be casted yeah it seems weird. cause its longer range than you can cast it at right? can you target minions?
yeah you can target minions.
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TL;DR: it hits as far as 1100 range, pass-through, no damage fall-off unlike Boomerang Blade or Piltover Peacemaker, and it is fairly quick with only a short wind-up and warning.
They'd have to nerf some of these aspects if they wanted to remove the "point'n'click" aspect of the skill. Think how Piltover Peacemaker has such a long animation and damage fall-off to make for its 1300 range and good ratio.
They chose to make it harder to use well in exchange for additional power. I'm fine with this priority.
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On August 23 2013 06:12 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 06:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 23 2013 06:00 NotSorry wrote:
Wish Lucian's Q didn't need a target and could just be casted yeah it seems weird. cause its longer range than you can cast it at right? can you target minions? yeah you can target minions.
well thats good at least. i guess the idea is shooting through the creep line because it doesnt do less dmg on multiple targets or w.e.
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the fact that double mana cost is now a consistent bug with new riot champions is a little worrying that they are just bandaiding instead of fixing core problems.
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On August 23 2013 06:17 PrinceXizor wrote:the fact that double mana cost is now a consistent bug with new riot champions is a little worrying that they are just bandaiding instead of fixing core problems.
It happened with Nami on the PBE (don't recall if it went live), I can't really recall that many recent times where it's gone live.
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On August 23 2013 06:14 ComaDose wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 06:12 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 23 2013 06:12 ComaDose wrote:On August 23 2013 06:00 NotSorry wrote:
Wish Lucian's Q didn't need a target and could just be casted yeah it seems weird. cause its longer range than you can cast it at right? can you target minions? yeah you can target minions. well thats good at least. i guess the idea is shooting through the creep line because it doesnt do less dmg on multiple targets or w.e.
Yea, I think it's a trade-off to not getting reduced damage and having pretty long range.
And since no one answered earlier, the tower's "dodge penetration" thing likely doesn't prevent people like Vlad or Fizz from avoiding tower shots by going untargetable. It's more that Jax can't dodge shots with E and is also partially a holdover from when dodge was in the game.
i really like the idea of items on turrets showing what their passives are, but the crystal mark + transmutation change are both retarded.
On August 23 2013 06:19 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 06:17 PrinceXizor wrote:the fact that double mana cost is now a consistent bug with new riot champions is a little worrying that they are just bandaiding instead of fixing core problems. It happened with Nami on the PBE (don't recall if it went live), I can't really recall that many recent times where it's gone live.
I dont recall any of these bugs hitting live. I don't understand why PX is so worried about this and blasting Riot for it. The whole point of PBE is to catch bugs like this; it's only a problem if it hits the live servers. Granted, the fact that this bug shows up on PBE with new champs with some regularity does seem to suggest that there may be some underlying issue with the game coding/client but we've known that the game is coded not too great for some time.
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On August 23 2013 04:54 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 04:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Aside from the weird gold thing, are stats really getting altered that much? Just seems like they are contextualizing them with items. The Gold thing and the Crystal Mark are both very new. You're right in the rest of them are just the standard turret things. But the Transmutation Stone is VERY new and changes a LOT. I think. I mean, whenever there's a new method of gold generation then stuff is bound to get weird.
Comments theorize that those two items are part of the the 'Dinger rework that slipped in by mistake.
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On August 23 2013 06:20 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 04:54 AsmodeusXI wrote:On August 23 2013 04:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Aside from the weird gold thing, are stats really getting altered that much? Just seems like they are contextualizing them with items. The Gold thing and the Crystal Mark are both very new. You're right in the rest of them are just the standard turret things. But the Transmutation Stone is VERY new and changes a LOT. I think. I mean, whenever there's a new method of gold generation then stuff is bound to get weird. Comments theorize that those two items are part of the the 'Dinger rework that slipped in by mistake.
heimer turrets refer to themselves as turrets, the text on the items is for "towers", which is consistent with the other wordings
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On August 23 2013 06:08 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 06:00 Ghost-z wrote:On August 23 2013 05:51 Amui wrote:
I really dislike crystal mark the more I think about it.
It's a crutch for last hitting. After playing for so long I can hit most CS under turret on champions I'm comfortable with because I know how much spell damage my skills do, and how much I autoattack for. It's just making the game easier for no discernable reason. There are people out there who hit sub 30 CS at 10 minutes under minimal pressure on a regular basis, they will hit maybe 5 more at best with this change. Why are you catering to them.
And then there's turret diving/harass and making you too safe under turret. A turret should protect you, but it shouldn't deter the other guy(s) from punishing you if you fucked up. If they only get maybe 5 more cs (because they suck last-hitting) after the change and I get 10 more cs (because i'm more practiced last hitting) after the change then why the hell not? What I'm saying is if they suck last hitting (30 cs in 10 min) before the change then they will still suck after this change. While my cs under tower should never miss without pressure. If you were practiced at last hitting you'd hit the ones that require multiple hits and prep them, or be prepared to use skill(s) to catch the CS. You shouldn't be losing 10 creeps under turret even if you are pushed in. If you watch pro level supports, they help their carries CS under turret by prepping them. That interaction would be gone, and a whole aspect of support play just disappeared. Learning to CS properly under turret is hard, but it's also rewarding ($$$$$). It's a high skill high reward thing that would be removed from the game entirely if this change goes through.
All valid points and I didn't even thing about the support lane.
Either way my CS under tower is never perfect because of small amounts of minion damage make some hits really hard to make if you don't have a skill ready. I can see why its bad at the pro level since a slight edge in skill won't lead to a slight edge in gold. Around my level it will just lead to both of us last hitting better unless my opponent is really bad at hitting under tower (i'd say half are) then its a buff to me.
Overall, its a minor nerf to high skilled players and a minor buff to lower skilled players. Which is in line with some of Riots other changes in the past.
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On August 23 2013 06:24 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2013 06:20 Gahlo wrote:On August 23 2013 04:54 AsmodeusXI wrote:On August 23 2013 04:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Aside from the weird gold thing, are stats really getting altered that much? Just seems like they are contextualizing them with items. The Gold thing and the Crystal Mark are both very new. You're right in the rest of them are just the standard turret things. But the Transmutation Stone is VERY new and changes a LOT. I think. I mean, whenever there's a new method of gold generation then stuff is bound to get weird. Comments theorize that those two items are part of the the 'Dinger rework that slipped in by mistake. heimer turrets refer to themselves as turrets, the text on the items is for "towers", which is consistent with the other wordings
Yeah, unless he has the ability to add these items to towers I don't see it being Heimer related. My money is still on them not being on SR.
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How long do I have to decide to buy Arcade Hec before it goes up in price?
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On August 23 2013 06:26 cLutZ wrote:
How long do I have to decide to buy Arcade Hec before it goes up in price?
I have no idea the answer to this question or why you would ever hesitate!
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