On September 02 2013 18:08 Fildun wrote: Guys, help me here, I'm a bit confused. I thought going sightstone as first item on Leona was pretty good, if not the best opener on her. (at least in soloq) But this last game I got flamed by 5 people for not going philostone as first item. Then I tried to explain that sightstone functions as a gp5 as well in the sense that you save money, but they wouldn't listen.
Don't listen to them. So few people in yolo queue know how to play support properly.
Like the Garen who legit told me to stop "wasting" my gold on wards... The same wards that allowed him and my team to pick off player after player on the other team who figured it was safe to waltz through their completely warded jungle alone trying to cut to top and bot lane farm.
And to Fildun, I don't even buy Philo anymore. My support build looks like this:
Sightstone (Rush Ruby if I have the gold for it) Boots 1 Ruby Sightstone (If I haven't already finished it before boots) Boots of Mobility Kindlegem Shurelya's
Extra wards, pinks and oracles as needed.
If I somehow get a few kills and have the gold, I'll build Aegis->Locket... but not usually.
Don't worry about what the other players are telling you in YoloQ. Focus on playing well. Nothing shuts your team up faster than being 4/2/18 at the 30 minute mark.
zero gp10 was the way to go for a while, especially in pro games, but there was a patch with a change and I can't remember exactly why, but pro supports started building philo again. As a first buy, it depends on the situation, and in most cases you'd be good to buy sightstone first, but in the long run most supports end up with both philo and sightstone in some order or other.
Leona scales well with health (because she has free resists on her shield), so that's the reasoning why people like sightstone on her first. If you are snowballing or trying to snowball with all-ins though, you'd probably be better off with a doran's shield or two, because the power it will give you when you're jumping in. There's no steadfast rule: think about what you want to accomplish in lane (philo if you can't win without a jungler's help, sightstone if you're relying on a timing all-in like level 6, doran's if you're going ham at every opportunity), and itemize accordingly. Also people are wrong a lot of the time, don't worry about it.
In other news, any suggestions for champs I can play with 200-300 ping on the NA server? T_T So far I've got udyr.
EDIT: to clarify, this is about buying first/second back. Don't start doran's shield, start rejuv bead or full all wards.
I usually start rejuv bead, and I also usually get some kills/assists in laning phase. I always buy one or two ruby crystals and some wards with it if I can afford it because then I can towerdive. However I haven't considered the dorans shield route yet. I'll try that.
On September 02 2013 18:08 Fildun wrote: Guys, help me here, I'm a bit confused. I thought going sightstone as first item on Leona was pretty good, if not the best opener on her. (at least in soloq) But this last game I got flamed by 5 people for not going philostone as first item. Then I tried to explain that sightstone functions as a gp5 as well in the sense that you save money, but they wouldn't listen.
Don't listen to them. So few people in yolo queue know how to play support properly.
Like the Garen who legit told me to stop "wasting" my gold on wards... The same wards that allowed him and my team to pick off player after player on the other team who figured it was safe to waltz through their completely warded jungle alone trying to cut to top and bot lane farm.
And to Fildun, I don't even buy Philo anymore. My support build looks like this:
Sightstone (Rush Ruby if I have the gold for it) Boots 1 Ruby Sightstone (If I haven't already finished it before boots) Boots of Mobility Kindlegem Shurelya's
Extra wards, pinks and oracles as needed.
If I somehow get a few kills and have the gold, I'll build Aegis->Locket... but not usually.
Don't worry about what the other players are telling you in YoloQ. Focus on playing well. Nothing shuts your team up faster than being 4/2/18 at the 30 minute mark.
zero gp10 was the way to go for a while, especially in pro games, but there was a patch with a change and I can't remember exactly why, but pro supports started building philo again. As a first buy, it depends on the situation, and in most cases you'd be good to buy sightstone first, but in the long run most supports end up with both philo and sightstone in some order or other.
Leona scales well with health (because she has free resists on her shield), so that's the reasoning why people like sightstone on her first. If you are snowballing or trying to snowball with all-ins though, you'd probably be better off with a doran's shield or two, because the power it will give you when you're jumping in. There's no steadfast rule: think about what you want to accomplish in lane (philo if you can't win without a jungler's help, sightstone if you're relying on a timing all-in like level 6, doran's if you're going ham at every opportunity), and itemize accordingly. Also people are wrong a lot of the time, don't worry about it.
In other news, any suggestions for champs I can play with 200-300 ping on the NA server? T_T So far I've got udyr.
EDIT: to clarify, this is about buying first/second back. Don't start doran's shield, start rejuv bead or full all wards.
I usually start rejuv bead, and I also usually get some kills/assists in laning phase. I always buy one or two ruby crystals and some wards with it if I can afford it because then I can towerdive. However I haven't considered the dorans shield route yet. I'll try that.
Never buy two dorans shields though, the passive doesn't stack and then you are suddenly paying 440 for a worse ruby crystal that doesn't build into anything.
On September 02 2013 22:08 mr_tolkien wrote: PS : As an avid Riven player, I can ensure you a good Nasus shits on you day and night.
Kinda the feeling I got, even after having such a lead. Are there any other options to wipe the floor with Nasus, excluding poppy?
i dont have an answer to nasus right now(atleast without help of a jungler), even as rumble/vlad its hard to stop him farm he will just buy SV, flask, mass pots use TP and keep farming, im not surprised pros started play him top, i wouldn't be surprised if he got nerfed eventually
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
People were focusing too much on the "OMG INFINITE SCALING" nature of his Q when it was really his W that was the ridiculous ability all along.
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
If by randomly you mean "Spirit Visage got ridiculously buffed" yeah
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
People were focusing too much on the "OMG INFINITE SCALING" nature of his Q when it was really his W that was the ridiculous ability all along.
What do you mean?Any person who has played an auto based champ vs nasus knows how annoying it is and he was popular in the jungle.You still max q top lane.It's just that league community in general is terrible at recognizing what is strong.
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
its not like his counters got horribly nerfed (rumble,olaf etc) and his itemization got buffed a lot
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
its not like his counters got horribly nerfed (rumble,olaf etc) and his itemization got buffed a lot
Not like that happened a few months ago and he has always been perfectly fine against the current meta champs of malph/shen/kennen/zac for top even without sv buffs .
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
People were focusing too much on the "OMG INFINITE SCALING" nature of his Q when it was really his W that was the ridiculous ability all along.
What do you mean?Any person who has played an auto based champ vs nasus knows how annoying it is and he was popular in the jungle.You still max q top lane.It's just that league community in general is terrible at recognizing what is strong.
Also recognizing that his E is incredibly strong for pushing waves, which allows him to handle 1v2s quite well.
Herbivore itemization was buffed in general - SV is amazing on nasus - APs used to give him significant trouble in the past both early and mid. Now he can first back negatron -> cowl -> SV and be fine, even before the recent SV buff this was pretty good. Now it's excellent.
On September 02 2013 23:19 Nos- wrote: I thought Nasus' wither was broken as fuck but no one played him so no one cared
It did get nerfed - it no longer has a 99% Attack speed slow - "only" 50% putting it on par with Malphite.
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think?
hearthstone
Isn't it funny how randomly the general opinion is changed?Like nasus was trash tier top according to most people and now he has no counters and can always free farm haha.
People were focusing too much on the "OMG INFINITE SCALING" nature of his Q when it was really his W that was the ridiculous ability all along.
What do you mean?Any person who has played an auto based champ vs nasus knows how annoying it is and he was popular in the jungle.You still max q top lane.It's just that league community in general is terrible at recognizing what is strong.
You'll never find a single post of me saying Nasus is weak top.
Nasus is a very good top laner if you value a safe gameplay and want a farming matchup. Runes and masteries are the reason for this.
On September 02 2013 22:08 mr_tolkien wrote: So the last page is about support WW, Nasus vs Poppy matchup, and Nasus vs Riven matchup where obviously nobody have a clue what they're talking about.
TL is kinda getting downhill those days.
PS : As an avid Riven player, I can ensure you a good Nasus shits on you day and night.
As an avid Nasus player, I fear Riven almost as little as I fear Tryndamere. Sure, she has a few early level advantages, but early levels Nasus has sustain and she doesn't (and good Nasus's don't play passive early levels and trade with early auto+Q+autos to wear down the opposing laners), and Nasus is free to stack armor/HP. Wither doesn't shut her down as hard as Trynd, but it's still pretty bad when Nasus wants to retaliate.
I honestly haven't had time to test out his matchups post-SV, but I'd imagine many of Nasus's formerly poor matchups (Vlad, Rumble, Akali) are greatly mitigated by that change, and I haven't seen an Olaf (who use to be one of the hugest Nasus counters) since he was nerfed into oblivion.
Udyr previously, but I haven't tested that matchup against new Udyr and post-SV.
Honestly, Nasus's matchups have been getting progressively better since S2. Also, people finally started dropping the silly Triforce rush builds that the community insisted on running since pre-S1 (which were terrible) for the CDR/tank builds that Nasus does well with.
I've gotten so much shit from my team back in S2 when I played Nasus? "WTF no Sheen? Report this baddie Nasus". <__<;
On September 03 2013 00:16 XenOmega wrote: Seeing how dominant certain champions are, I want to learn
Kennen + Rumble for Top Zed + Ori for mid
What runes should I use for kennen? Mpen red, armor yellow, mr blue, AP quint? Same for rumble?
For zed, AD quint and mark, armor yellow + mr blue?
Some people run AD somewhere on Kennen (someone correct me if I'm wrong). He's a real bully in lane in a lot of matchups, and sometimes people even go for the doran blade opening to really dominate in the laning phase.
Haven't played this game in a few months though so maybe a few things have changed.
On September 02 2013 17:24 TheYango wrote: Zed's a champ that is capable of vastly more based on the user's skill, more so than many other champs. He's not going to be OP in anyone's solo queue experience, but if we're talking at the absolute top level of play, I can see why the flexibility the champ gains in the hands of a player with complete mastery over him could be problematic (TBH I think he's even somewhat overrated when it comes to NA/EU LCS, because I don't think even the best mid players in either Western LCS can push him to his absolute limits the way someone like Faker can).
I actually feel like this describes Lee to a T, except for the fact that his peak and valley are both lower. (his valley is really low)
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