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On September 03 2013 01:48 Alaric wrote:
Makes me wonder about starting Q instead of E with Irelia, though the free stun if they hit you first is hard to pass on, plus she doesn't have the innate sustain and level 1 Q has a super high cd.
There's a few times I've started W first instead of E (W E Q leveling order) because you can turn around some surprising trades with level 1 w if theyre too aggressive through the minion wave. I wouldn't recommend it though (honestly, it probably only worked because i was playing against bads who dont understand Irelia.) I probably would have done just as well with level 1 E. EQW and EWQ are the early variations i'd make depending on the value of level 1 Q in the matchup.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:00 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 01:50 JonGalt wrote:On September 01 2013 08:48 wei2coolman wrote:On September 01 2013 08:47 Simberto wrote:
Every player in the LCS should just get a number, that would remove all of those problems. Of course you'd have to skip some numbers that might offend someone like 7, 13, 88. But that shouldn't be too much of a problem. 4 also need to be removed. How did you not mention 69? Or 8008! So I was thinking about a Doran's ring start + pots on Tristana. the idea being abuse op ap ratios to score early kills. EWEWER R> Q> E> W You would then build Standard ad trist. you would want to go ham early and often to get your first big ad item as soon as possible. if your all in fails you are kinda screwed as they will probably have dblade sustain. is this idea any good? I had success with it in season 2 but I sucked. That doesn't really seem worthwile.You get 27 dmg with a doran's ring out of both your spells at lvl 2.Even if you run mpen/ap and stuff you will be so much weaker later as well.
I should have clarified the dring was more for mana regen. the ap and health is just bonus. the mana regen let me spam e with impunity. but again, I am really bad but it worked really well for me.
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On September 03 2013 02:19 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:00 nafta wrote:On September 03 2013 01:50 JonGalt wrote:On September 01 2013 08:48 wei2coolman wrote:On September 01 2013 08:47 Simberto wrote:
Every player in the LCS should just get a number, that would remove all of those problems. Of course you'd have to skip some numbers that might offend someone like 7, 13, 88. But that shouldn't be too much of a problem. 4 also need to be removed. How did you not mention 69? Or 8008! So I was thinking about a Doran's ring start + pots on Tristana. the idea being abuse op ap ratios to score early kills. EWEWER R> Q> E> W You would then build Standard ad trist. you would want to go ham early and often to get your first big ad item as soon as possible. if your all in fails you are kinda screwed as they will probably have dblade sustain. is this idea any good? I had success with it in season 2 but I sucked. That doesn't really seem worthwile.You get 27 dmg with a doran's ring out of both your spells at lvl 2.Even if you run mpen/ap and stuff you will be so much weaker later as well. I should have clarified the dring was more for mana regen. the ap and health is just bonus. the mana regen let me spam e with impunity. but again, I am really bad but it worked really well for me.
You will get autoed to death when you try to e them.
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On September 02 2013 22:22 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 19:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Play riven. She straight up beats nasus in lane. Yeah... No, no she doesn't. Riven HATES fighting against guys who can just stack armor/HP without impacting their usefulness. Unless Nasus lets you dunk him at level 1 and drive him out of lane, I don't see how this is going to work. And considering he can go with armor runes and cloth+5 or doran's shield and be happy, I don't even see how he can get driven out of lane like that.
Riven should be building Hydra instead of BT, allowing her to audible to early LW anyway.
Never had an issue with Nasus before the buffs. After the buffs + flask... it's gotten tricky.
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trist doesn't have that much mana problems if you aren't getting a point in q.
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
alright, thanks for quick responses!
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On September 03 2013 02:30 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 22:22 sylverfyre wrote:On September 02 2013 19:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Play riven. She straight up beats nasus in lane. Yeah... No, no she doesn't. Riven HATES fighting against guys who can just stack armor/HP without impacting their usefulness. Unless Nasus lets you dunk him at level 1 and drive him out of lane, I don't see how this is going to work. And considering he can go with armor runes and cloth+5 or doran's shield and be happy, I don't even see how he can get driven out of lane like that. Riven should be building Hydra instead of BT, allowing her to audible to early LW anyway. Never had an issue with Nasus before the buffs. After the buffs + flask... it's gotten tricky.
I never understood why more rivens didn't get Hydra. The active on it is really solid, worth more than the BT, plus no ramp up time required.
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Hydra is great on pretty much every AD Caster/Assassin.
All of them.
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On September 03 2013 02:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Hydra is great on pretty much every AD Caster/Assassin.
All of them.
I'm still waiting for a pro to get hydra first zed.
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United States37500 Posts
On September 03 2013 02:50 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Hydra is great on pretty much every AD Caster/Assassin.
All of them. I'm still waiting for a pro to get hydra first zed.
...?
Cause he really needs help with his wave clear.
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On September 03 2013 02:19 JonGalt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:00 nafta wrote:On September 03 2013 01:50 JonGalt wrote:On September 01 2013 08:48 wei2coolman wrote:On September 01 2013 08:47 Simberto wrote:
Every player in the LCS should just get a number, that would remove all of those problems. Of course you'd have to skip some numbers that might offend someone like 7, 13, 88. But that shouldn't be too much of a problem. 4 also need to be removed. How did you not mention 69? Or 8008! So I was thinking about a Doran's ring start + pots on Tristana. the idea being abuse op ap ratios to score early kills. EWEWER R> Q> E> W You would then build Standard ad trist. you would want to go ham early and often to get your first big ad item as soon as possible. if your all in fails you are kinda screwed as they will probably have dblade sustain. is this idea any good? I had success with it in season 2 but I sucked. That doesn't really seem worthwile.You get 27 dmg with a doran's ring out of both your spells at lvl 2.Even if you run mpen/ap and stuff you will be so much weaker later as well. I should have clarified the dring was more for mana regen. the ap and health is just bonus. the mana regen let me spam e with impunity. but again, I am really bad but it worked really well for me.
The reverse kennen build works better on solo trist than in botlane, since you can W aggressively without getting quickly 2v1'd with double summoner spells. Trist with AP quints + ignite mastery and Sona support for aggressive level 1-3 was a thing at one point, but that was when sona's AP+AD aura was way more OP.
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On September 03 2013 02:50 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:50 wei2coolman wrote:On September 03 2013 02:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Hydra is great on pretty much every AD Caster/Assassin.
All of them. I'm still waiting for a pro to get hydra first zed. ...? Cause he really needs help with his wave clear.
as much as I don't want to have this discussion for the 5th time, because it's more damage (but yes less utility I don't care to argue about it) than Bork.
I honestly thought with 90 sec cd Bork it would catch on but, seeing that it hasn't I don't think the pro build will ever change.
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Zed's still a good candidate for Hydra, however he's one of the few/only AD casters who would prefer a BorK because of his ulti's interaction with the active damage, and values BorK roughly as much as Hydra. Every other AD caster would much prefer a Hydra.
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it interacts with the extra AD + Active on the Hydra just the same, the ONLY advantage to Botrk on Zed is the slow.
(which is a big advantage clearly since people value it so highly.)
if you want more info the math is somewhere in the Zed thread I feel like this topic has been done to a ad vs arp rune level in GD in the last two months.
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On September 03 2013 02:56 Slusher wrote:
it interacts with the extra AD + Active on the Hydra just the same, the ONLY advantage to Botrk on Zed is the slow.
(which is a big advantage clearly since people value it so highly.)
if you want more info the math is somewhere in the Zed thread I feel like this topic has been done to a ad vs arp rune level in GD in the last two months.
The slow is indeed huge. It makes him incredibly sticky and difficult for the target to peel off alone.
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On September 03 2013 02:50 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On September 03 2013 02:50 wei2coolman wrote:On September 03 2013 02:48 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Hydra is great on pretty much every AD Caster/Assassin.
All of them. I'm still waiting for a pro to get hydra first zed. ...? Cause he really needs help with his wave clear.
the math was done on it, compared to botrk, it does more damage. and with recent botrk nerf (90 sec cd), hydra looking to be a bit more tempting.
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the thing is Botrk 100-0s while being less damage so really what is the advantage to Hydra in the way he is played in the pro game? basically nothing.
but in your solo q games where your team lets themselves get engaged on whenever you try to push out a side lane I would recommend to anyone to give Hydra a try, it makes him quite a bit stronger in teamfights, his spells do more damage, he gets more lifesteal and of course the incidental damage from the passive if you happen to be able to sneak an auto in.
What you see in pro games isn't always what works best in your games, all I ask is that you consider this.
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the LCS caster Jason kaplan, i heard hes a diamond player?
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On September 03 2013 03:11 justiceknight wrote:
the LCS caster Jason kaplan, i heard hes a diamond player?
Jason, Kobe, Jatt, and Phreak are, if I do recall correctly.
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So I heard that they put the locket shield on aegis. I also heard that no one builds it. Is this true? And if so, is it because people are retarded and don't see how cost effective it is, or is it because riot made it not quite worth?
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