EPTWish Cho would see more play. If Riot lowered the mana cost on a couple spells, he'd be great.
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Wish Cho would see more play. If Riot lowered the mana cost on a couple spells, he'd be great. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On September 02 2013 23:04 Chexx wrote: My guess where locodoco goes next are prime or Jin Air. What do you guys think? I don't know, from an outsiders prospective Korea appears to be a lot less of an old boys club, and it's not like he was head and shoulders above Raven last year. If I'm not mistaken I think the Falcons have a OGN winter seed locked up, I just feel like Loco is going to have to make some noise in NLB to get back into the scene but mabye the last two seasons didn't reflect as poorly to the Korean managers. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
His utility is still super good with CDR but I guess his damage output falls off too much compared to other utility/tank picks like Elise, Zac, Nasus, etc. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:19 Zergneedsfood wrote: Some people run AD somewhere on Kennen (someone correct me if I'm wrong). He's a real bully in lane in a lot of matchups, and sometimes people even go for the doran blade opening to really dominate in the laning phase. Haven't played this game in a few months though so maybe a few things have changed. I see hybrid runes on Kennen (mark) and 2x lifesteal quint + 1ap quint. Would it be better for someone limited by rune pages to opt for AD runes (9x ad mark, 3x lifesteal quint)? The Magic pen + Armor pen from the hybrid seem minimal | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
My current go-to jungle pick is Eve but Jarvan just looks super fun to play. On the other hand Vayne also seems great, but my mechanics are far from perfect. Is she super hard for new-ish low players? | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
I usually recommend my friend to either : Master a role (so you need diversity), or master multiple champions (thus being able to play multiple roles) Its up to you, both vayne + j4 are good | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 02 2013 20:14 Masq wrote: Any vods or replays? I tried riven, got first blood and 3-0.. then he shit on me once his Q was strong enough. This is essentially how I envision the game going in a Riven vs Nasus lane. You get the early advantage, you shove out the lane. Then you can roam when you force nasus out of lane. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:48 Sp00ly wrote: So I have 4.8k IP to spend. Not sure whether to pick up Jarvan or Vayne. My current go-to jungle pick is Eve but Jarvan just looks super fun to play. On the other hand Vayne also seems great, but my mechanics are far from perfect. Is she super hard for new-ish low players? If eve is your only jungler you should get j4 but otherwise I'd recommend vayne.She is just so fun to play.She is a really unique compared to all other ad-s but wouldn't call her that hard.If you are getting dived hard she is one of the easiest marksmen to kite with. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
One of the bad traits that alot of Nasus players share: they always play too passively early levels, even when they can absolutely get away with aggression. Sustain vs no sustain too good. Really though, a good Nasus should also be looking for lane dominance/pressure in addition to farm, not just meekly giving the lane back to his opponent after a crippling level 2 gank, and would've taken control of the lane from that point onwards, after WoDx was forced to burn his red pot early. | ||
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Sp00ly
United Kingdom1546 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:54 nafta wrote: If eve is your only jungler you should get j4 but otherwise I'd recommend vayne.She is just so fun to play.She is a really unique compared to all other ad-s but wouldn't call her that hard.If you are getting dived hard she is one of the easiest marksmen to kite with. I've got a few junglers; lee, elise, nasus. I'm just less successful with them. Marksmen wise it's basically just trist and ezreal though so I'm leaning towards vayne. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On September 03 2013 01:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: Was good play from WoDx, but Nasus played that poorly (really poorly actually). Should've harassed Riven much more after WoDx was forced to burn all his pots+red pot in order to stay in lane, and he ran away from Riven early levels instead of trading with massive minion aggro when WoD got a trade on him. Lane would've been over if he did. One of the bad traits that alot of Nasus players share: they always play too passively early levels, even when they can absolutely get away with aggression. Sustain vs no sustain too good. Really though, a good Nasus should also be looking for lane dominance/pressure in addition to farm, not just meekly giving the lane back to his opponent after a crippling level 2 gank, and would've taken control of the lane from that point onwards, after WoDx was forced to burn his red pot early. This is only a sample of what I've seen on his stream. When he was on his Riven binge (multiple of these happened in the past year), the nasus match up is one he rarely lost. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 03 2013 01:24 wei2coolman wrote: This is only a sample of what I've seen on his stream. When he was on his Riven binge (multiple of these happened in the past year), the nasus match up is one he rarely lost. Huh, that's strange. I'd have to see more footage to make a judgement call, but by all means, Riven is a winning matchup for Nasus, and as a whole, Nasus sits up with Malphite in the matchup difficulty chart for Riven (maybe 7-3 instead of 8-2, but still close), and is a pretty similar flowchart. Early advantage for Riven (so an extremely skilled Riven player can beat out an unfamiliar Malphite/Nasus player early on), then autolose once they pick up Chain Vest+Tabi/reach level 6. I've yet to lose to a Riven, so it's probably entirely player skill that's the issue. It may be entirely champion familiarity. Nasus isn't/wasn't a common top lane pick (though you're starting to see more of them), and much of the common wisdom about Nasus top lane (always play passive early) is absolutely wrong, so many of those Nasus's he's faced probably didn't main him/play him to the same extent as WoDx plays Riven. How to win a Tryndamere lane as a Nasus for example? Start Dorans Shield and be balls-to-the-walls aggressive level 1 and force him to burn fury to sustain by autoing him every time he goes in for CS/fury (which means his early level advantage with fury is negated), and then naturally outscale him easy peasy. Early levels, Nasus trades alright with AA+Q+AA, and especially well considering he sustains from it via passive, and trading with Q in the early levels is massively more desirable if an option to gain lane presence/pressure over getting a few stray early CS with it (Nasus Q farming potential doesn't really start to shine until he's level 7-9ish with some CDR, with early CD on Q so high). Again, I can't be sure, but that kind of outcome defies pretty much all my experience as a Nasus top lane player. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On September 03 2013 00:39 nojitosunrise wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5j2zVpjnoo Uhg I wanna watch the vods so bad but OGN keeps telling me I'm not subscribed even though I totally am. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3wUQOqq.png) | ||
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On September 03 2013 01:03 Lord Tolkien wrote: Was good play from WoDx, but Nasus played that poorly (really poorly actually). Should've harassed Riven much more after WoDx was forced to burn all his pots+red pot in order to stay in lane, and he ran away from Riven early levels instead of trading with massive minion aggro when WoD got a trade on him. Lane would've been over if he did. One of the bad traits that alot of Nasus players share: they always play too passively early levels, even when they can absolutely get away with aggression. Sustain vs no sustain too good. Really though, a good Nasus should also be looking for lane dominance/pressure in addition to farm, not just meekly giving the lane back to his opponent after a crippling level 2 gank, and would've taken control of the lane from that point onwards, after WoDx was forced to burn his red pot early. Also, it's ok to skip q'ing a creep for stacks to Q the opponent and actually do meaningful damage in a trade. The mentality of "must stack Q at maximum speed" is toxic. | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
How did you not mention 69? Or 8008! So I was thinking about a Doran's ring start + pots on Tristana. the idea being abuse op ap ratios to score early kills. EWEWER R> Q> E> W You would then build Standard ad trist. you would want to go ham early and often to get your first big ad item as soon as possible. if your all in fails you are kinda screwed as they will probably have dblade sustain. is this idea any good? I had success with it in season 2 but I sucked. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On September 03 2013 01:49 sylverfyre wrote: Also, it's ok to skip q'ing a creep for stacks to Q the opponent and actually do meaningful damage in a trade. The mentality of "must stack Q at maximum speed" is toxic. It's one of the defining hallmarks of a bad/unfamiliar Nasus player. Buying Sheen first into Triforce over the CDR build was also one, but people have realized how silly that was since S3 began. The good Nasus player recognizes that he has insane (long term) sustain in lane and wins lanes by attrition, and is more than happy to trade AA+Q+AA in early levels (when the CD is so prohibitive to actually spamming it for Q farming) if it means winning himself the lane (because passive lifesteal is op), and striking the FEAR OF DOG into his opponent, and balances out trading/denial with farming. The bad Nasus player just farms, and runs away from trades. It's painful to see. Just like that Nasus WoDx played. Ugggggh. <__<; On September 03 2013 01:48 Alaric wrote: Makes me wonder about starting Q instead of E with Irelia, though the free stun if they hit you first is hard to pass on, plus she doesn't have the innate sustain and level 1 Q has a super high cd. Not really worth unless it's a 2v1, in my experience. The stun is extremely strong, and you can proc it first thing in lane too (because having "even" HP% also equates a stun). It's too good a defensive measure early on, what with junglers going bot to top buff routes nowadays. W start is possible, but very very situational. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On September 03 2013 01:50 JonGalt wrote: How did you not mention 69? Or 8008! So I was thinking about a Doran's ring start + pots on Tristana. the idea being abuse op ap ratios to score early kills. EWEWER R> Q> E> W You would then build Standard ad trist. you would want to go ham early and often to get your first big ad item as soon as possible. if your all in fails you are kinda screwed as they will probably have dblade sustain. is this idea any good? I had success with it in season 2 but I sucked. That doesn't really seem worthwile.You get 27 dmg with a doran's ring out of both your spells at lvl 2.Even if you run mpen/ap and stuff you will be so much weaker later as well. | ||
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