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On September 02 2013 01:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:56 nafta wrote:
When he wrote that comment there were 3 mr items in the game a hexdrinker+merc and a crucible.Literally all of em. What were the other items in his build? Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:57 Ketara wrote:Nobody ever has 0 MR  I suppose it's possible if he's got sorc shoes and liandry and mpen runes there might be an ADC walking around with like 40 MR that he's already reducing to near zero, though. That sounds kind of hilarious really. You made an absolute statement, don't want noobies actually thinking that voidstaff is better than DC in all situations.
In generalist terms I think it's fairly true though. In general void staff outdamages deathcap on champions and deathcap outdamages void staff on minions.
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seraph is pretty bad on ap corki also. That build is actually just straight up inferior to the goldenglue build.
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On September 02 2013 02:02 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:59 wei2coolman wrote:On September 02 2013 01:56 nafta wrote:
When he wrote that comment there were 3 mr items in the game a hexdrinker+merc and a crucible.Literally all of em. What were the other items in his build? On September 02 2013 01:57 Ketara wrote:Nobody ever has 0 MR I suppose it's possible if he's got sorc shoes and liandry and mpen runes there might be an ADC walking around with like 40 MR that he's already reducing to near zero, though. That sounds kind of hilarious really. You made an absolute statement, don't want noobies actually thinking that voidstaff is better than DC in all situations. In generalist terms I think it's fairly true though. In general void staff outdamages deathcap on champions and deathcap outdamages void staff on minions.
Bigger numbers on ad/ap give more style points though.So it's pretty arguable.Since we all know style points>everything.
Main reason I use my w as a gapcloser towards their carries while getting dived on trist.
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On September 02 2013 01:42 Alaric wrote:
Na, Lichbane's only good if you get in range to use it, and you generally prefer to keep spamming R from afar, kinda like why Lux and Ziggs don't use Lichbane despite their passives.
ah yes, another awesome post in the hallowed tl tradition of explaining how to play champs that you dont even own let alone play
lich bane is a core item on ziggs
yes you will prioritize a dcap, and yes sometimes you will get grail, and yes sometimes you need an hourglass really early, but in the end, you need a lich bane at some point. you might not get to that point, but you always want a lich bane on ziggs.
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On September 02 2013 02:02 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:59 wei2coolman wrote:On September 02 2013 01:56 nafta wrote:
When he wrote that comment there were 3 mr items in the game a hexdrinker+merc and a crucible.Literally all of em. What were the other items in his build? On September 02 2013 01:57 Ketara wrote:Nobody ever has 0 MR I suppose it's possible if he's got sorc shoes and liandry and mpen runes there might be an ADC walking around with like 40 MR that he's already reducing to near zero, though. That sounds kind of hilarious really. You made an absolute statement, don't want noobies actually thinking that voidstaff is better than DC in all situations. In generalist terms I think it's fairly true though. In general void staff outdamages deathcap on champions and deathcap outdamages void staff on minions.
I dunno about the 1st item timing that you brought up, but you should probably avoid making absolute statements.
On September 02 2013 02:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:42 Alaric wrote:
Na, Lichbane's only good if you get in range to use it, and you generally prefer to keep spamming R from afar, kinda like why Lux and Ziggs don't use Lichbane despite their passives. ah yes, another awesome post in the hallowed tl tradition of explaining how to play champs that you dont even own let alone play lich bane is a core item on ziggs yes you will prioritize a dcap, and yes sometimes you will get grail, and yes sometimes you need an hourglass really early, but in the end, you need a lich bane at some point. you might not get to that point, but you always want a lich bane on ziggs.
Lich is nice on Ziggs, but like you brought up there are just so many items that I'd have priority over Lich. Dcap/Zhonya's/Grail/SorcBoots/VoidStaff. Lich is 6th item for me. But, rarely are 6th items considered "core" on a champ. Mostly because games rarely last that long.
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On September 02 2013 02:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:42 Alaric wrote:
Na, Lichbane's only good if you get in range to use it, and you generally prefer to keep spamming R from afar, kinda like why Lux and Ziggs don't use Lichbane despite their passives. ah yes, another awesome post in the hallowed tl tradition of explaining how to play champs that you dont even own let alone play lich bane is a core item on ziggs yes you will prioritize a dcap, and yes sometimes you will get grail, and yes sometimes you need an hourglass really early, but in the end, you need a lich bane at some point. you might not get to that point, but you always want a lich bane on ziggs.
Lich Bane is a perfectly reasonable last damage item on Lux too, you just have to get Grail/Deathcap/Void first, and after all that probably want an hourglass, and then the game is over.
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I don't get why Lichbane is better on some champs than others. Like I guess it gives you style points on hard hitting autos, but otherwise you get as much damage on AP Cass as you do AP Ziggs as long as you remember to auto.
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Not to disagree with you on Lichbane being good Cheep, I generally consider core to mean, items you need to finish to hit your strong period, I feel like Ziggs hits this with chalice/dcap.
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On September 02 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Lich is nice on Ziggs, but like you brought up there are just so many items that I'd have priority over Lich. Dcap/Zhonya's/Grail/SorcBoots/VoidStaff. Lich is 6th item for me. But, rarely are 6th items considered "core" on a champ. Mostly because games rarely last that long.
Hat Lich is a very standard build, and is in fact the build I default to when nothing peculiar is happening in gaeme, and it is also CitizenWayne's preferred Ziggs' build.
Dade went Grail-Hat-Sheen (didn't get to finish LB) and the game ended the time he played Ziggs.
On September 02 2013 02:11 Slusher wrote:
Not to disagree with you on Lichbane being good Cheep, I generally consider core to mean, items you need to finish to hit your strong period, I feel like Ziggs hits this with chalice/dcap.
chalice is an optional item
Like, Ziggs has pretty flexible options, but Lich bane is one of the items that boosts his damage the most and it also gives him mana pool and MS, it is far more core than grail. It is not the one item that will make Ziggs insanely scary, but alaric simply suggests that you never got it cause of "poor range" or some stupid shit.
tl;dr alaric doesnt play ziggs and makes stupid post about ziggs, as tends to happen in TLGD
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On September 02 2013 02:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't get why Lichbane is better on some champs than others. Like I guess it gives you style points on hard hitting autos, but otherwise you get as much damage on AP Cass as you do AP Ziggs as long as you remember to auto.
There are some champions where Lich Bane is obvious because their actual abilities already proc the extra damage, such as Twisted Fate and Fizz.
Then there are other champions like Ziggs where his passive is a lot of damage and requires an autoattack, so you may as well get Lich Bane because you know you're already autoing in the fight.
Then there's Cassiopeia and Karthus and Ryze etc who can reasonably go entire fights without autoing at all.
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On September 02 2013 02:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't get why Lichbane is better on some champs than others. Like I guess it gives you style points on hard hitting autos, but otherwise you get as much damage on AP Cass as you do AP Ziggs as long as you remember to auto.
it's actually(sorta) good on Ziggs by default
his range makes abyssal bad
all of his spells being AoE make Lifesteal/Rylai bad
he's too good with early AP to make RoA/Tear good.
also it stacking with his passive doesn't hurt.
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On September 02 2013 02:11 obesechicken13 wrote:
I don't get why Lichbane is better on some champs than others. Like I guess it gives you style points on hard hitting autos, but otherwise you get as much damage on AP Cass as you do AP Ziggs as long as you remember to auto.
Cass has a slow auto windup animation and no reason to stop spamming her spells in order to weave in an autoattack because of how her kit works.
Ziggs already gets bonus magic damage on autos, and so he already weaves in auto attacks as part of his combo - and this passive drops when he uses skills. His kit also isn't designed to all be thrown out at once for nukes, since his W and E aren't really "standard" nukes.
It has to do with WHEN are you gonna weave in autos? If your skills count as autos already then it's going to be core. (TF, Fizz)
If your skills allow for easy auto weaving in between them / reward you for doing so (Ziggs, Diana) then it's a situational item but can be powerful in the right circumstances. (Is this an opponent/opposing teamcomp i can use these lichbane procs against, or would i be better off with a more CDR/AP/Mpen poke oriented build?)
If your kit doesn't really lend itself to "use some skills, then auto a bit, then use other skills, then auto a bit more" (keep in mind the 2 sec cooldown of lichbane) then you really have no business with a Lichbane. If you're only getting one lichbane auto during your combo, you'll almost definitely be getting more out of a different item.
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On September 02 2013 02:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Lich is nice on Ziggs, but like you brought up there are just so many items that I'd have priority over Lich. Dcap/Zhonya's/Grail/SorcBoots/VoidStaff. Lich is 6th item for me. But, rarely are 6th items considered "core" on a champ. Mostly because games rarely last that long. Hat Lich is a very standard build, and is in fact the build I default to when nothing peculiar is happening in gaeme, and it is also CitizenWayne's preferred Ziggs' build. Dade went Grail-Hat-Sheen (didn't get to finish LB) and the game ended the time he played Ziggs. Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:11 Slusher wrote:
Not to disagree with you on Lichbane being good Cheep, I generally consider core to mean, items you need to finish to hit your strong period, I feel like Ziggs hits this with chalice/dcap. chalice is an optional item Like, Ziggs has pretty flexible options, but Lich bane is one of the items that boosts his damage the most and it also gives him mana pool and MS, it is far more core than grail. It is not the one item that will make Ziggs insanely scary, but alaric simply suggests that you never got it cause of "poor range" or some stupid shit. tl;dr alaric doesnt play ziggs and makes stupid post about ziggs, as tends to happen in TLGD
It makes me curious though, since I've never seen Ziggs go Lichbane outside of people trying the champ, or when spectating low level play (as in, Ziggs isn't popular competitively and I'm only in Gold I so the only high Elo Ziggs I see are these in the featured games in the client), how do you alter the playstyle to go with it?
Most of the time I see Ziggs either using his ult to countergank (or when the enemy mid roams first, to be the first to help his lane), or trying to push with his team so they group early and he relies on Q spam to weaken people before blowing everything once somebody initiates. It seems to be really heayv in mana usage, so I assume it's not easy to do if you only have blue buff (eg no Tear/Chalice), is it still enough as long as you make your poke sparse, or do you significantly alter how you play it out to make use of Lichbane/less mp5?
Lichbane sounds like an item you use to abuse the 575 range in lane or sieges, or as a defense when people dive you to get more burst, and since Ziggs' kit seems so good at preventing people to reach him in the first place, I wouldn't instinctively compare him to other champions whose kit/playstyle entices autoattacking, like TF. Like Lux, it makes me think "sure, you can, but is it optimal?".
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On September 02 2013 01:51 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. It shouldn't be that hard to set up for lefties. My friend has it all set up pretty easily for lefty.
It is "set up" for lefties, but you cant change anything in-game or it messes it all up. Any changes have to be through a config.ini file, and I dont know what all of the bindable commands are. I tried to rebind a key so that shift+right click would alert enemy missing, and it wont take because you cant bind mouse1 ingame (for some reason lefty drivers are wonky and make right click mouse1 default for some games), so I tried rebinding it to k. That took, but the binding doesnt set right and it removed the left-click bind so now when I left click it does the alert enemy missing command. And since the ini file makes left click multiple binds somehow, you lose the ability to use menu buttons and have to exit the game with alt+f4 and replace the ini file again. It is the worst coding I have ever seen.
On September 02 2013 01:48 MoonBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. 1) It doesn't have API support 2) All replays are done locally. These ones are going through the Riot servers. Think of all that server and bandwidth cost.
Lolreplay goes through riot servers? Or is done locally? If Lolreplay is done locally, why doesnt Riot just officially implement that?
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On September 02 2013 02:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:51 wei2coolman wrote:On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. It shouldn't be that hard to set up for lefties. My friend has it all set up pretty easily for lefty. It is "set up" for lefties, but you cant change anything in-game or it messes it all up. Any changes have to be through a config.ini file, and I dont know what all of the bindable commands are. I tried to rebind a key so that shift+right click would alert enemy missing, and it wont take because you cant bind mouse1 ingame (for some reason lefty drivers are wonky and make right click mouse1 default for some games), so I tried rebinding it to k. That took, but the binding doesnt set right and it removed the left-click bind so now when I left click it does the alert enemy missing command. And since the ini file makes left click multiple binds somehow, you lose the ability to use menu buttons and have to exit the game with alt+f4 and replace the ini file again. It is the worst coding I have ever seen. Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:48 MoonBear wrote:On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. 1) It doesn't have API support 2) All replays are done locally. These ones are going through the Riot servers. Think of all that server and bandwidth cost. Lolreplay goes through riot servers? Or is done locally? If Lolreplay is done locally, why doesnt Riot just officially implement that?
I think you set Windows to handle the lefty mouse, and all you do is change all the hotkey to what you want, if you don't want to use the standard 1-6, and q-r.
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The obvious conclusion is that cheep is low level
All I know is that lich bane adds more to qwer than almost anything
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I can't be the only leftie that still uses keyboard on left and mouse on right. I actually used to use it reversed and decided i like this better anyway.
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On September 02 2013 02:22 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:12 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On September 02 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Lich is nice on Ziggs, but like you brought up there are just so many items that I'd have priority over Lich. Dcap/Zhonya's/Grail/SorcBoots/VoidStaff. Lich is 6th item for me. But, rarely are 6th items considered "core" on a champ. Mostly because games rarely last that long. Hat Lich is a very standard build, and is in fact the build I default to when nothing peculiar is happening in gaeme, and it is also CitizenWayne's preferred Ziggs' build. Dade went Grail-Hat-Sheen (didn't get to finish LB) and the game ended the time he played Ziggs. On September 02 2013 02:11 Slusher wrote:
Not to disagree with you on Lichbane being good Cheep, I generally consider core to mean, items you need to finish to hit your strong period, I feel like Ziggs hits this with chalice/dcap. chalice is an optional item Like, Ziggs has pretty flexible options, but Lich bane is one of the items that boosts his damage the most and it also gives him mana pool and MS, it is far more core than grail. It is not the one item that will make Ziggs insanely scary, but alaric simply suggests that you never got it cause of "poor range" or some stupid shit. tl;dr alaric doesnt play ziggs and makes stupid post about ziggs, as tends to happen in TLGD It makes me curious though, since I've never seen Ziggs go Lichbane outside of people trying the champ, or when spectating low level play (as in, Ziggs isn't popular competitively and I'm only in Gold I so the only high Elo Ziggs I see are these in the featured games in the client), how do you alter the playstyle to go with it? Most of the time I see Ziggs either using his ult to countergank (or when the enemy mid roams first, to be the first to help his lane), or trying to push with his team so they group early and he relies on Q spam to weaken people before blowing everything once somebody initiates. It seems to be really heayv in mana usage, so I assume it's not easy to do if you only have blue buff (eg no Tear/Chalice), is it still enough as long as you make your poke sparse, or do you significantly alter how you play it out to make use of Lichbane/less mp5? Lichbane sounds like an item you use to abuse the 575 range in lane or sieges, or as a defense when people dive you to get more burst, and since Ziggs' kit seems so good at preventing people to reach him in the first place, I wouldn't instinctively compare him to other champions whose kit/playstyle entices autoattacking, like TF. Like Lux, it makes me think "sure, you can, but is it optimal?".
pointing to "high elo play" of unpopular champs leads to a lot of shit. tournament viability is much more of an indicator of something working
lich bane gives you 250 mana - grail's 15 mp/5 needs 80 seconds to catch up to that, disregarding the 12% regen which isn't really -that- much if you're not buildling any mana pool enhancing items like tear or roa (which you shoudlnt)
lich bane gives you -enough- mana that you can comfortably toss out q's for a good while and infinitely with blue, grail isn't particularly necessary for mana upkeep
there are a million ways ppl can dive yo uand lich bane lets you 1v1 then super easily. just to say "you should never be reached" is silly.
it's also completely bullshit for both split pushing and group sieging since you only need to get a few autos in and the tower is gone, 575 range is not short by any means
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On September 02 2013 02:26 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 02:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 01:51 wei2coolman wrote:On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. It shouldn't be that hard to set up for lefties. My friend has it all set up pretty easily for lefty. It is "set up" for lefties, but you cant change anything in-game or it messes it all up. Any changes have to be through a config.ini file, and I dont know what all of the bindable commands are. I tried to rebind a key so that shift+right click would alert enemy missing, and it wont take because you cant bind mouse1 ingame (for some reason lefty drivers are wonky and make right click mouse1 default for some games), so I tried rebinding it to k. That took, but the binding doesnt set right and it removed the left-click bind so now when I left click it does the alert enemy missing command. And since the ini file makes left click multiple binds somehow, you lose the ability to use menu buttons and have to exit the game with alt+f4 and replace the ini file again. It is the worst coding I have ever seen. On September 02 2013 01:48 MoonBear wrote:On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. 1) It doesn't have API support 2) All replays are done locally. These ones are going through the Riot servers. Think of all that server and bandwidth cost. Lolreplay goes through riot servers? Or is done locally? If Lolreplay is done locally, why doesnt Riot just officially implement that? I think you set Windows to handle the lefty mouse, and all you do is change all the hotkey to what you want, if you don't want to use the standard 1-6, and q-r.
I tried switching the left-right in windows and through the razer mouse settings (IIRC). For some reason that also does not work.
On September 02 2013 02:27 sylverfyre wrote:
I can't be the only leftie that still uses keyboard on left and mouse on right. I actually used to use it reversed and decided i like this better anyway.
I am a right handed person actually, but I grew up with mouse on left because parents are lefties... so I use mouse on left side.
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On September 02 2013 02:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:51 wei2coolman wrote:On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. It shouldn't be that hard to set up for lefties. My friend has it all set up pretty easily for lefty. It is "set up" for lefties, but you cant change anything in-game or it messes it all up. Any changes have to be through a config.ini file, and I dont know what all of the bindable commands are. I tried to rebind a key so that shift+right click would alert enemy missing, and it wont take because you cant bind mouse1 ingame (for some reason lefty drivers are wonky and make right click mouse1 default for some games), so I tried rebinding it to k. That took, but the binding doesnt set right and it removed the left-click bind so now when I left click it does the alert enemy missing command. And since the ini file makes left click multiple binds somehow, you lose the ability to use menu buttons and have to exit the game with alt+f4 and replace the ini file again. It is the worst coding I have ever seen.
Have you bothered reading my giant sticked thread about tech issues in this subforum? It's designed specifically for things like this.
On September 02 2013 02:23 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:48 MoonBear wrote:On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now. 1) It doesn't have API support 2) All replays are done locally. These ones are going through the Riot servers. Think of all that server and bandwidth cost. Lolreplay goes through riot servers? Or is done locally? If Lolreplay is done locally, why doesnt Riot just officially implement that?
No, LoLReplay saves things locally. Why does Riot not do things locally? Because they want a centralised system for replay and replay handling that also keeps up with patches and game engine changes as well as allowing for large data analytics because that makes more sense. Same reason your match history is saved Riot-side and not locally.
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