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On September 02 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:51 Slusher wrote:
In my mind the fact that sc2 isn't there sorta confirms that it isn't malicious, why would Riot give a fuck about sc2 that game isn't even close to their level.
(in terms of $$$ or esports views or w/e it is they are supposedly trying to prevent, obviously sc is a decent game to play) Reading a bit more, SC2 was installed in some PCs (not on all because not that popular + HDD restrictions). PAX forum had a post from the show manager saying Dota will be up tomorrow (apparently they found the bandwidth)
They probably just want to shut up this shitstorm. So pretty much valve gets their game on the pc's without helping to pay for the increased cost.
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speaking of dota2 VP just picked 3 of the 4 new heroes to captains mode in their bigpoint battle game(on joindota stream), I am exite.
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On September 02 2013 01:11 Slusher wrote:
speaking of dota2 VP just picked 3 of the 4 new heroes to captains mode in their bigpoint battle game(on joindota stream), I am exite.
The new VP line up is on? Sick city.
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On September 02 2013 01:11 Slusher wrote:
speaking of dota2 VP just picked 3 of the 4 new heroes to captains mode in their bigpoint battle game(on joindota stream), I am exite.
Shit son I didn't even realize there was dota on today let alone Lost's team playing
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On September 02 2013 00:50 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:47 sylverfyre wrote:I dunno about that comparison, considering EA is ACTUALLY evil.  They've killed a fair number of good games, and origins is awful. Origin has had pretty good sales aswell as the latest humble EA bundle. I've warmed up to them, even though I'm still weary of their motives.
This was my point, yes EA (like Riot) has done some "questionable" things (goddamn Simcity), but whenever their name is mentioned (no matter what it's for) a huge number of people just pop up proclaiming them the worst company ever (literally as they been voted that, which is crazy when you think about some of the companies around) while other's who do the same are ignored (I still remember when HL2 was released and needed Steam, which wasn't allowed with my Uni's draconian internet policy).
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Bjergsen's saying that since he has Liandry's, his last slot for AP Corki (Liandry's/Sorcs/Zhonya's/Seraph/Morello) should go to deathcap as he doesn't need void staff.
Wut. Since he has Liandry's the better damage item is actually Void Staff, especially considering his base damage. How can he not know that? o_o
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On September 02 2013 01:37 Alaric wrote:
Bjergsen's saying that since he has Liandry's, his last slot for AP Corki (Liandry's/Sorcs/Zhonya's/Seraph/Morello) should go to deathcap as he doesn't need void staff.
Wut. Since he has Liandry's the better damage item is actually Void Staff, especially considering his base damage. How can he not know that? o_o
Kind of arguable since the other team have 0 mr.Shouldn't lichbane be really good on ap corki considering how much you spam?I have never actually seen it before.
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Na, Lichbane's only good if you get in range to use it, and you generally prefer to keep spamming R from afar, kinda like why Lux and Ziggs don't use Lichbane despite their passives.
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On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions).
Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up.
I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now.
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On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now.
1) It doesn't have API support
2) All replays are done locally. These ones are going through the Riot servers. Think of all that server and bandwidth cost.
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On September 02 2013 01:10 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:59 misirlou wrote:On September 02 2013 00:51 Slusher wrote:
In my mind the fact that sc2 isn't there sorta confirms that it isn't malicious, why would Riot give a fuck about sc2 that game isn't even close to their level.
(in terms of $$$ or esports views or w/e it is they are supposedly trying to prevent, obviously sc is a decent game to play) Reading a bit more, SC2 was installed in some PCs (not on all because not that popular + HDD restrictions). PAX forum had a post from the show manager saying Dota will be up tomorrow (apparently they found the bandwidth) They probably just want to shut up this shitstorm. So pretty much valve gets their game on the pc's without helping to pay for the increased cost.
Dota2 has Local Server capability through console commands, which has been relayed to PAX staff, and is how they are going to have Dota2 up and running.
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On September 02 2013 01:47 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 00:21 Doctorbeat wrote:On September 01 2013 23:53 Amethyst21 wrote:On September 01 2013 20:45 Serelitz wrote:
Whelp, more LoL vs Dota/sc2 drama. I guess that pushes general acceptance of LoL with TL staff further back then. Yup, RIOT killing e-sports by investing in e-sports. The anti-RIOT anti- LoL circlejerk is actually amazing to behold. "Screw actually finding facts and things RIOT IS KILLLING eSPORTS." RIOT definitely didn't move an LCS week for TI3. Nope. Didn't happen. Moving LCS was as much in their own interest. TI3 would leech viewers, I'd definitely have watched TI3 over LCS. I do think that the anti-Riot jerk is a bit much at times, but then again, Riot is the biggest player and a good amount of skepticism doesn't do any harm. Riot isn't perfect and they haven't delivered (yet) on quite a few promises (replays, certain bugs, etc), some of which have been around for a loooong time. I don't really like Riot's technical side (server problems, bad client, no replays), but I love their E-sports side and community interaction right now (with a few exceptions). Riot's technical side is shit. Their left-handed mouse integration is horrible (and is the main reason I stopped playing before). I am using the config they provide for lefties, but I cant change any hotkeys through the ingame menu or it screws it all up. I am curious though, about the replay thing... how is it that there is a legit 3rd party replay thing that has all kinds of information (it is a complete replay, viewing both sides and all the actions throughout the game) but there isnt an official one? The 3rd party one has been out for years now.
It shouldn't be that hard to set up for lefties. My friend has it all set up pretty easily for lefty.
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On September 02 2013 01:39 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:37 Alaric wrote:
Bjergsen's saying that since he has Liandry's, his last slot for AP Corki (Liandry's/Sorcs/Zhonya's/Seraph/Morello) should go to deathcap as he doesn't need void staff.
Wut. Since he has Liandry's the better damage item is actually Void Staff, especially considering his base damage. How can he not know that? o_o Kind of arguable since the other team have 0 mr.Shouldn't lichbane be really good on ap corki considering how much you spam?I have never actually seen it before.
I think the math pretty much says that Void Staff outdamages Deathcap on champions in all situations ever regardless of how much AP you have or how much MR they have. Even more true if you've got Liandry's and high base damage / low ratio skills like Corki rockets.
As far as I'm aware the reason why deathcap first champions get deathcap first is because it lets them farm better.
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On September 02 2013 01:52 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:39 nafta wrote:On September 02 2013 01:37 Alaric wrote:
Bjergsen's saying that since he has Liandry's, his last slot for AP Corki (Liandry's/Sorcs/Zhonya's/Seraph/Morello) should go to deathcap as he doesn't need void staff.
Wut. Since he has Liandry's the better damage item is actually Void Staff, especially considering his base damage. How can he not know that? o_o Kind of arguable since the other team have 0 mr.Shouldn't lichbane be really good on ap corki considering how much you spam?I have never actually seen it before. I think the math pretty much says that Void Staff outdamages Deathcap on champions in all situations ever regardless of how much AP you have or how much MR they have. Even more true if you've got Liandry's and high base damage / low ratio skills like Corki rockets. As far as I'm aware the reason why deathcap first champions get deathcap first is because it lets them farm better.
Well this is bullshit. If they have 0 MR. DC does way more damage.
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When he wrote that comment there were 3 mr items in the game a hexdrinker+merc and a crucible.Literally all of em.
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Nobody ever has 0 MR 
I suppose it's possible if he's got sorc shoes and liandry and mpen runes there might be an ADC walking around with like 40 MR that he's already reducing to near zero, though. That sounds kind of hilarious really.
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On September 02 2013 01:56 nafta wrote:
When he wrote that comment there were 3 mr items in the game a hexdrinker+merc and a crucible.Literally all of em.
What were the other items in his build?
On September 02 2013 01:57 Ketara wrote:Nobody ever has 0 MR I suppose it's possible if he's got sorc shoes and liandry and mpen runes there might be an ADC walking around with like 40 MR that he's already reducing to near zero, though. That sounds kind of hilarious really.
You made an absolute statement, don't want noobies actually thinking that voidstaff is better than DC in all situations.
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On September 02 2013 01:54 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:52 Ketara wrote:On September 02 2013 01:39 nafta wrote:On September 02 2013 01:37 Alaric wrote:
Bjergsen's saying that since he has Liandry's, his last slot for AP Corki (Liandry's/Sorcs/Zhonya's/Seraph/Morello) should go to deathcap as he doesn't need void staff.
Wut. Since he has Liandry's the better damage item is actually Void Staff, especially considering his base damage. How can he not know that? o_o Kind of arguable since the other team have 0 mr.Shouldn't lichbane be really good on ap corki considering how much you spam?I have never actually seen it before. I think the math pretty much says that Void Staff outdamages Deathcap on champions in all situations ever regardless of how much AP you have or how much MR they have. Even more true if you've got Liandry's and high base damage / low ratio skills like Corki rockets. As far as I'm aware the reason why deathcap first champions get deathcap first is because it lets them farm better. Well this is bullshit. If they have 0 MR. DC does way more damage.
even "the big one" is ilke a .3 ratio man, base mr (which is ~30 NOT 0) is enough to make dcap worse on Corki.
@Wei, this isn't "all situations" this is AP Corki, ap corki is ALL pen and cdr, his ratios are terrible unless they want to stand on your valkrye.
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On September 02 2013 02:00 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2013 01:54 wei2coolman wrote:On September 02 2013 01:52 Ketara wrote:On September 02 2013 01:39 nafta wrote:On September 02 2013 01:37 Alaric wrote:
Bjergsen's saying that since he has Liandry's, his last slot for AP Corki (Liandry's/Sorcs/Zhonya's/Seraph/Morello) should go to deathcap as he doesn't need void staff.
Wut. Since he has Liandry's the better damage item is actually Void Staff, especially considering his base damage. How can he not know that? o_o Kind of arguable since the other team have 0 mr.Shouldn't lichbane be really good on ap corki considering how much you spam?I have never actually seen it before. I think the math pretty much says that Void Staff outdamages Deathcap on champions in all situations ever regardless of how much AP you have or how much MR they have. Even more true if you've got Liandry's and high base damage / low ratio skills like Corki rockets. As far as I'm aware the reason why deathcap first champions get deathcap first is because it lets them farm better. Well this is bullshit. If they have 0 MR. DC does way more damage. even "the big one" is ilke a .3 ratio man, base mr (which is ~30 NOT 0) is enough to make dcap worse on Corki.
Ketara made an absolute statement. Not quite sure what Bjergsen's build was, but if he had abyssal/sorc/liandries, wouldn't be uncommon for them to be running below 30 mr if they aren't building any.
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He had seraph/morelo/zhonya/lyandri/mpen boots but that build seems kind of meh to me lol.
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