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koreasilver
9109 Posts
On August 30 2013 14:05 Ketara wrote: Pretty sure when we did Zed math a month or so ago we ascertained that Bruta + Cutlass > BotRK. This is also how Bischu has been building Zed for months now. It's smoother to build into as well, gold-wise. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On August 30 2013 14:05 Ketara wrote: Pretty sure when we did Zed math a month or so ago we ascertained that Bruta + Cutlass > BotRK. It depended what parameters you put on the situation For the most part it was a bunch of assumptions like OKAY you will only get two auto attacks, one q, and an e off, they will have 100 armor, etc. I still think BotRK is too core to delay, the later the game goes the harder it becomes to pick up items that cost over 1k gold without stagnating. Personal choice for me and even if the math is against me at level 6/11 I think overall for gameflow it's pretty much always better to finish BotRK before doing anything else. | ||
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amd098
Korea (North)1366 Posts
On August 30 2013 12:19 InfSunday wrote: I expect more smiles now. Was gonna say "Smile before me!" but it just sounded so odd that I couldn't but had to add a meta-comment explaining it. Or something like that. So, 3v3's to get that Elise+skin are surprisingly fun because Teemo is OP. Mushrooms on a map where you can't buy wards? C'mon, easy. lightbringer and hextech sweeper would have a word with you. | ||
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
On August 30 2013 15:12 Audemed wrote: What do you guys think about manamune on lucian? He has some real issues with mana throughout the game, and it feels like the item is almost a necessity. The issue is that all of his skills are not "one target spell" abilities, so it wouldn't proc on those, which is a pretty big deal considering his whole kit is based around using skills into having his passive proc. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On August 30 2013 15:15 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: It depended what parameters you put on the situation For the most part it was a bunch of assumptions like OKAY you will only get two auto attacks, one q, and an e off, they will have 100 armor, etc. I still think BotRK is too core to delay, the later the game goes the harder it becomes to pick up items that cost over 1k gold without stagnating. Personal choice for me and even if the math is against me at level 6/11 I think overall for gameflow it's pretty much always better to finish BotRK before doing anything else. Yeah the math we did was pretty simple and easycakes. I can't speak to the efficiency of build flow, but mathwise, in terms of burst damage, the upgrade from Cutlass to BotRK doesn't give you much. It's 1800 gold to turn the active from 100 damage to 15% max HP, when for most champions burst combos just buying 1800 gold in AD would result in more damage. What you get from finishing the BotRK is utility and sustained damage, for burst damage Cutlass is a completely ridiculous OP item. | ||
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Audemed
United States893 Posts
On August 30 2013 15:44 Kinie wrote: The issue is that all of his skills are not "one target spell" abilities, so it wouldn't proc on those, which is a pretty big deal considering his whole kit is based around using skills into having his passive proc. Ah, considering it was single targeted, I thought the Q would proc it. Alright, that makes the item less than ideal >.> So, just deal with his mana problems then? | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On August 30 2013 14:34 thenexusp wrote: Brutalizer is only a 10% increase in physical damage if they have really low armor. If they have 10 armor, then brutalizer increases your damage by 10%, but if they have 100 armor the damage increase is more like 5%. That's right. @ticklishmusic: Armor is the most effective answer to bruta. If you're building flat pen to counter their armor you're doing it wrong. Last whisper is a better answer to stacked armor. And every point of armor isn't +1% EHP. Every point of armor increases your EHP by 1% of your HP. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
I'm very powerful, but I'm trying to get at chu with these short, stubby lil arms and until I get em into range I'm just flailing em about. Rar :F | ||
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Capped
United Kingdom7236 Posts
EUW ~ Mid silver ~ Capped92 Also. Neo 2 kind. Roffles for president | ||
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HaNdFisH
Australia119 Posts
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UnKooL
Korea (South)1667 Posts
On August 30 2013 18:07 GhandiEAGLE wrote: The new Ryze feels like a T-Rex. I'm very powerful, but I'm trying to get at chu with these short, stubby lil arms and until I get em into range I'm just flailing em about. Rar :F Khazix, Jayce, Ryze, the extinct dinosaur champs. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On August 30 2013 18:13 UnKooL wrote: Khazix, Jayce, Ryze, the extinct dinosaur champs. Probably for the better as they were all ez mode champs that were boring and too safe. Kha6 is still viable but u can't just pick him into any match up and win or get free farm in match ups that u wouldn't win | ||
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Prog
United Kingdom1470 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On August 30 2013 16:06 Audemed wrote: Ah, considering it was single targeted, I thought the Q would proc it. Alright, that makes the item less than ideal >.> So, just deal with his mana problems then? Could build Trinity Force maybe. It gives a little Mana and isn't a terrible idea on Lucian from what I've seen. Not going to solve the problem but it could help. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:18 Alaric wrote: Lucian's Q is bugged and sometimes costs double mana, till it's fixed, hard to tell how mana-hungry he is. He's trash regardless, just like PrinceXizor's theorycrafting. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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NpG)Explosive
France994 Posts
On August 30 2013 20:39 Prog wrote: Did anyone of you try Ashe with the new Phage? It's ridiculously fun for kiting. Not sure if it is even slightly viable (does not fit too well into a build), but definitely enjoyable. I haven't tried it but I may. I played my last ~5 games as Ashe trying genja's build style (full arpen runes, triple doran/BT/LW/IE in that order) and I felt I had more impact than when I play the standard way (ad/ls runes, IE then shiv or PD). At this point I almost feel bad buying attack speed :p If I wasn't of getting flame from my teammates, I'd gladly try getting phage instead of 2 doran and upgrade it to triforce later in the game. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On August 30 2013 21:49 Roffles wrote: He's trash regardless, just like PrinceXizor's theorycrafting. Getting old, rufflez | ||
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The_Unseen
France1923 Posts
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
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