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On August 03 2013 07:19 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are. Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth). I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey. Edit: needless shot taken.
^^^ exactly what I was talking about. you are basically who this stuff is targeted at, nothing wrong with that, but you have no taste.
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On August 03 2013 07:20 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:19 Nemireck wrote:On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are. Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth). I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey. Edit: needless shot taken. ^^^ exactly what I was talking about. you are basically who this stuff is targeted at, nothing wrong with that, but you have no taste.
It's not a question of taste, it's a question of expectations. I judge these things for what they are. Decent, but not amazing, entertainment.
I'm interested to know what types of books you might suggest to someone who liked WoT, but understands it's not the highest quality story you're going to find in the genre. And also what games you might suggest for a middle of the road FF fan.
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On August 03 2013 07:20 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:19 Nemireck wrote:On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are. Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth). I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey. Edit: needless shot taken. ^^^ exactly what I was talking about. you are basically who this stuff is targeted at, nothing wrong with that, but you have no taste.
My tastes are superior to yours.
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FINAL FANTASY X
TIDUS AND YUNA 5EVER
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Oh man AW and FE are so good. Im eagerly awaiting an AW with an actual online multiplayer, although not sure what the possibilities of another AW game even is, the DoR multiplayer was so freaking cringeworthy despite being an excellent game, had to arrange matches to play a reasonable match on a decent custom map. It was fun beating players on the default maps with an extreme disadvantage though. Things like 5 factories to 2 starts 0.o. People don't like to spam infantry  .
I still don't know a way to counter the "FTA" of AW though, I've never been comfortable with the 1 infantry unit start for player 2, and am still not convinced that it makes up for the FTA. It's really bad.
I love FE games.
I like Yi, i've enjoyed playing with him in normals, :D, one of the most fun champions to be fed as.
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clearly you have a sense of standards since you describe sword of truth as "a large book written for children" (even though it's full of sweaty sexual fantasies). there's not really much of a distinction from wheel of time in quality, though - which you lean toward is mostly a question of what set of aesthetic elements you prefer. You like plodding, inept conspiracies, rather than sword butchery.
as for what literature and games I enjoy, I try to consume only works that are as pretentious as possible. Poems in prose, if you will. keeps my system pure.
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On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time.
wheel of time was good yo.
efficiency at delivering plot doesn't equal enjoyment of reading imo
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On August 03 2013 07:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
clearly you have a sense of standards since you describe sword of truth as "a large book written for children" (even though it's full of sweaty sexual fantasies). there's not really much of a distinction from wheel of time in quality, though - which you lean toward is mostly a question of what set of aesthetic elements you prefer. You like plodding, inept conspiracies, rather than sword butchery.
as for what literature and games I enjoy, I try to consume only works that are as pretentious as possible. Poems in prose, if you will. keeps my system pure.
I figured as much. All critique, no substance. You could work for a newspaper.
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On August 03 2013 07:45 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
clearly you have a sense of standards since you describe sword of truth as "a large book written for children" (even though it's full of sweaty sexual fantasies). there's not really much of a distinction from wheel of time in quality, though - which you lean toward is mostly a question of what set of aesthetic elements you prefer. You like plodding, inept conspiracies, rather than sword butchery.
as for what literature and games I enjoy, I try to consume only works that are as pretentious as possible. Poems in prose, if you will. keeps my system pure. I figured as much. All critique, no substance. You could work for a newspaper.
Not anymore!
Subtlenewspaperreadershipdisapearingzing.
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On August 03 2013 07:20 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:19 Nemireck wrote:On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are. Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth). I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey. Edit: needless shot taken. ^^^ exactly what I was talking about. you are basically who this stuff is targeted at, nothing wrong with that, but you have no taste.
You are being sarcasic with this post, right? This is the most pompous thing I have ever read. You remind me of these kids in my literature class that would call people who didn't enjoy William Faulkner tasteless. Perhaps to you they have no taste, however "taste" is all relative.
I enjoy prose poetry, final fantasy, "save the world" fantasy, and heavy literature. It's all good stuff.
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On August 03 2013 07:20 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:19 Nemireck wrote:On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are. Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth). I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey. Edit: needless shot taken. ^^^ exactly what I was talking about. you are basically who this stuff is targeted at, nothing wrong with that, but you have no taste.
Hahaha.
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why are you guys shitposting stop trying to take my job
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On August 03 2013 07:19 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are. Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth). I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey. Edit: needless shot taken.
Game of Thrones still isn't over, you can be fully disappointed in about 20 years hue
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On August 03 2013 07:53 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:19 Nemireck wrote:On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are. Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth). I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey. Edit: needless shot taken. Game of Thrones still isn't over, you can be fully disappointed in about 20 years hue
That's if Martin's only releasing 2 more books in the series.
With his track record, TWOW will be split into 3 books, while ADOS will be split into 5.
So we're looking at something like 80 years.
The book readers are still salty that ADWD was promised for late 2006, and it took until late 2011 for him to release it.
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On August 03 2013 07:45 Nemireck wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
clearly you have a sense of standards since you describe sword of truth as "a large book written for children" (even though it's full of sweaty sexual fantasies). there's not really much of a distinction from wheel of time in quality, though - which you lean toward is mostly a question of what set of aesthetic elements you prefer. You like plodding, inept conspiracies, rather than sword butchery.
as for what literature and games I enjoy, I try to consume only works that are as pretentious as possible. Poems in prose, if you will. keeps my system pure. I figured as much. All critique, no substance. You could work for a newspaper.
ok, here are some great games where everything makes perfect sense from a storytelling and gameplay perspective, and the characters are compelling and distinct.
- Dear Esther
- Gabriel Knight III
- Indie Game: The Movie: The Game
- House of Leaves: The Game
- William Faulkner Festival (A Story in Sighs)
and of course hegelian tetris.
real talk though, what I would recommend for somebody who enjoyed the final fantasy games is... final fantasy games? story is only one element, usually not even a very important one, they're still good games even if the writing is fucking awful.
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man, neo is throwing you a bone and you bite off half his body and shitpost for 24 hours straight.
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I don't understand how off-topic discussion is necessarily shitposting.
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On August 03 2013 08:04 UniversalSnip wrote:Show nested quote +On August 03 2013 07:45 Nemireck wrote:On August 03 2013 07:38 UniversalSnip wrote:
clearly you have a sense of standards since you describe sword of truth as "a large book written for children" (even though it's full of sweaty sexual fantasies). there's not really much of a distinction from wheel of time in quality, though - which you lean toward is mostly a question of what set of aesthetic elements you prefer. You like plodding, inept conspiracies, rather than sword butchery.
as for what literature and games I enjoy, I try to consume only works that are as pretentious as possible. Poems in prose, if you will. keeps my system pure. I figured as much. All critique, no substance. You could work for a newspaper. ok, here are some great games where everything makes perfect sense from a storytelling and gameplay perspective, and the characters are compelling and distinct. - Dear Esther - Gabriel Knight III - Indie Game: The Movie: The Game - House of Leaves: The Game - William Faulkner Festival (A Story in Sighs) and of course hegelian tetris. real talk though, what I would recommend for somebody who enjoyed the final fantasy games is... final fantasy games? story is only one element, usually not even a very important one, they're still good games even if the writing is fucking awful.
l like your quote mate
I'd just like to throw in that games don't need writing. Obviously it can carry a game, but it's not a life or death struggle. Games like Journey or Bastion had relatively limited (in Journey's case, nonexistent) writing, but are some of the greatest games I've ever played. Game developers have the freedom to choose how they want to tell their story. The gameplay CAN be the story.On August 03 2013 08:07 TheYango wrote:
I don't understand how off-topic discussion is necessarily shitposting.
I think he's just a little bit salty from the fish puns.
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On August 03 2013 08:07 TheYango wrote:
I don't understand how off-topic discussion is necessarily shitposting.
We've been very good about not regressing to fish puns.
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On August 03 2013 08:07 TheYango wrote:
I don't understand how off-topic discussion is necessarily shitposting.
well ok, half of it is just offtopic then.
maybe we need an offtopic thread then, because its really hard to read the league related discussion when there are 20 posts about final fantasy inbetween.
There is no other thread for general league discussion, so this is a bit irritating.
I dont mind your community bonding thing, its just very disruptive when done in this thread, imo.
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