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kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
August 02 2013 21:37 GMT
#1641
On August 03 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 04:46 Requizen wrote:
I can't think of many WRPGs I like as much as Square' s stuff tho. Maybe KotOR.

Fallout 1/2, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate 1/2.

Arcanum, people often forget about it but I put it with fallout1/2 or baldurs half of fame rpgs
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 02 2013 21:37 GMT
#1642
Teammate 1: Top, mid, ADC, or jungle
Teammate 2: I'm smurf so I don't support
Teammate 3: I don't own any support champions or runes

literally wat
It's your boy Guzma!
Arekan
Profile Joined February 2011
United States248 Posts
August 02 2013 21:39 GMT
#1643
After my first character in NV, my subsequent runs always have me running straight to the atomic wrangler casino to win enough money for a level 1 intelligence implant. Either that or playing out a dumb as a sack of rocks character stuck at 1 int because it seemed funny at the time.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
August 02 2013 21:40 GMT
#1644
On August 03 2013 06:27 Capped wrote:
Play on any reasonable difficulty without abusing hidden op shit or Mod difficulty at all and you either take the route or die.

If you dont do any of those things, you're playing fuckin' carebear mode anyway

On a related note, my heavily modded, extremely difficult FO3 playthrough is extremely open-world-ly at all times (unless i find a big deathclaw or a yao guai, then i run like little bitch in big russia.). I love FO:NV, but its small map and heavily "routed" world is extremely limiting in its (long) opening stages imo.

Played hardcore (or whatever it is called) and did not do that route.
I just went straight to NV.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 21:46:46
August 02 2013 21:40 GMT
#1645
I just never liked that NV tried to pigeon hole you in a certain direction and you had to try REALLY hard to break it. You can head anywhere you like by running from stuff but chances of you being able to do anything once you get to whever you're headed are slim.

I mean, its open world..why pigeon hole like that lol. Maybe im jaded from the hard-mode mods i always put on the games, but FO3 is alot more open world even with them and i recently played both pre-modding for a few hours.

You know what, i'll boot it up tomorrow and see what i can do with no-mods very hard, see if i can break the game a piece. I'll label myself wrong if i can go north from the first town and survive.

Do love the game though and wish my save files would stop fucking breaking lol. Both games dont feel as alive or enjoyable to me without at least AWOP+MMM mods though, i run light moddings as it is, only a couple extra on top of these but they add so much to the game.

Back on topic: Dorans shield is really good, y no buy moar?
Useless wet fish.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 21:47:46
August 02 2013 21:46 GMT
#1646
On August 03 2013 06:40 Capped wrote:
I just never liked that NV tried to pigeon hole you in a certain direction and you had to try REALLY hard to break it. You can head anywhere you like by running from stuff but chances of you being able to do anything once you get to whever you're headed are slim.

I mean, its open world..why pigeon hole like that lol. Maybe im jaded from the hard-mode mods i always put on the games, but FO3 is alot more open world even with them and i recently played both pre-modding for a few hours.

That's actually the thing though. The only reason people have the expectation of an "open world" (and I say that in quotes because the Bethesda idea of "open world" is a total farce compared to the Interplay originals) is because it uses Fallout 3 as the baseline. From the writers/designers who did PS:T and the dev team that did KotOR 2/NWN2, you should expect a somewhat more closed experience.

You're judging NV for what you want/expect it to be, not what it is.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 21:49:46
August 02 2013 21:49 GMT
#1647
NV is supposed to be an open world RPG, thats what it is, no? :o A modless experience should mirror that
Useless wet fish.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 02 2013 21:51 GMT
#1648
On August 03 2013 06:49 Capped wrote:
NV is supposed to be an open world RPG, thats what it is, no? :o A modless experience should mirror that

Says who?

Obsidian never developed an open world RPG in KotOR 2 or NWN2, and the selling point of their design team are the guys that worked on PS:T. There's no reason to expect NV to be one.
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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 21:59:33
August 02 2013 21:52 GMT
#1649
Have both boxes sitting on my desk so.

"In a huge, open world you can explore, choose sides or go it alone, Peacemaker or hard case, house rules or the wild card - its all in how you play the game"



EDIT for "In"

Double EDIT: What is with the massive tangents today and yesterday? We're all really on a roll guys lol, Still havent hit costco yet
Useless wet fish.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 02 2013 21:55 GMT
#1650
On August 03 2013 06:37 kongoline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
On August 03 2013 04:46 Requizen wrote:
I can't think of many WRPGs I like as much as Square' s stuff tho. Maybe KotOR.

Fallout 1/2, Planescape Torment, Baldur's Gate 1/2.

Arcanum, people often forget about it but I put it with fallout1/2 or baldurs half of fame rpgs

I personally consider it up there, but it's a much more controversial opinion so I leave it out generally when discussing the subject.
Moderator
ArchAngelSC
Profile Joined April 2012
England706 Posts
August 02 2013 21:59 GMT
#1651
Sweet mother of hades, Yi is op
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 02 2013 22:03 GMT
#1652
I approve of Yango defending NV. I love NV.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 22:04:44
August 02 2013 22:04 GMT
#1653
On August 03 2013 07:03 onlywonderboy wrote:
I approve of Yango defending NV. I love NV.


So do i Before i derail this thread more im going to bed, night!
Useless wet fish.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 22:09:55
August 02 2013 22:08 GMT
#1654
You're all wrong. Earthbound is the best RPG ever made.

When you talk to EVERY NPC in the game, not because you HAVE to to figure out the story, but because you WANT to just to read the amazing dialogue, THAT game wins, every time.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 02 2013 22:09 GMT
#1655
On August 03 2013 06:59 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Sweet mother of hades, Yi is op

Get back off topic!

Honestly after the past couple weeks of waking up to 20 pages of discussion at times, not having to read GD when the discussion is irrelevant to my interests is kinda nice.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 02 2013 22:11 GMT
#1656
On August 03 2013 07:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 03 2013 06:59 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Sweet mother of hades, Yi is op

Get back off topic!

Honestly after the past couple weeks of waking up to 20 pages of discussion at times, not having to read GD when the discussion is irrelevant to my interests is kinda nice.

Dat dedeication. Wave, I am dissapoint.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31494 Posts
August 02 2013 22:13 GMT
#1657
Oh don't get me wrong, I skim, but mostly I want to make sure I don't miss anything important as I reduce all of my subscribed thread counters to zero.

Much harder to do when I'm in the middle of a mafia game as well.
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 02 2013 22:14 GMT
#1658
On August 03 2013 07:08 Nemireck wrote:
You're all wrong. Earthbound is the best RPG ever made.

When you talk to EVERY NPC in the game, not because you HAVE to to figure out the story, but because you WANT to just to read the amazing dialogue, THAT game wins, every time.


tbh I do that even in games with terrible dialogue.

sigh...
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
August 02 2013 22:18 GMT
#1659
I think my favorite RPG is DQ5.

Dragon Quest gets no love on American shores.
DQ8 was such an awesome game, yet the advertising campaign and box art suggested that they were selling the FF12 demo which incidentally included DQ8.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-02 22:20:43
August 02 2013 22:19 GMT
#1660
On August 03 2013 04:17 UniversalSnip wrote:
If you really judge a ff according to it's supposedly high story quality or degree of emotional involvement I either assume you played them as a kid and haven't really gotten over your nostalgia, or I dismiss your opinion out of hand. They're the equivalent of those huge fantasy novels that are aimed at people who are at the novice level of understanding storytelling, like wheel of time. It's like you're taking Adam west's batman, stripping it of it's sense of irony and presenting it as the epic tale of batman vs the riddler. That's how bad they are.


Wheel of Time, despite being about 5 books too long, was actually a very enjoyable read for me. Jordan definitely got caught up in his own imagination, and it's really a good thing he couldn't finish the story his way, else we'd be waiting for book 20. But as a whole, the story is solid enough, and I didn't come out of it feeling let down (Game of Thrones) or that I had just wasted my time on a large book aimed at children (Looking at you, Sword of Truth).

I look at FF games in the same light. No, they aren't full of Pulitzer quality writing, or deep, groundbreaking narrative. But, they ARE good stories (starting with 4 and moving along) that entertain, don't get too caught up in themselves, and for the most part, make you feel a sense of attachment to the characters you control on your journey.

Edit: needless shot taken.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
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