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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:31 nafta wrote: How does melees having an extra flash change anything if a marksman has it as well? Maybe I misread; but I thought it was talking about an entire item slot for the summoner ability. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:31 nafta wrote: How does melees having an extra flash change anything if a marksman has it as well? if you can't stack lifesteal/AD/Crit/Aspd + LW Becasue you are using up 1 slot for boots, 1 for a def item and one for a blink dagger, Bruisers all of a sudden become unkillable killing machines. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:31 nafta wrote: How does melees having an extra flash change anything if a marksman has it as well? Reaction times. The aggressor generally has the advantage because they are acting and not reacting, while their prey has to react before they get wombo combo'd. Moreover, ADCs are reliant on multiplicative scaling to be relevant later, and interrupting that to buy Flash 2 gives them a longer period of relative weakness, in addition to chewing up an item slot. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:33 Slusher wrote: if you can't stack lifesteal/AD/Crit/Aspd + LW Becasue you are using up 1 slot for boots, 1 for a def item and one for a blink dagger, Bruisers all of a sudden become unkillable killing machines. Pretty much this. They would have to ramp up ADC's tremendously to counter the ridiculousness of a bruiser with double flash. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:36 nafta wrote: It will literally be the same.Same way you lose an inventory spot they lose one as well.Ad would just be more dangerous because you wouldn't get defensive items and you would need to position better.Same way you do less damage they are less tanky.I don't see a difference. it's really not the same, because currently Bruiser get a lot more mileage out of base damage, not to mention if you are going to rip off blink dagger, damage disables it, so if the bruiser blinks on you you're SOL. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:36 nafta wrote: It will literally be the same.Same way you lose an inventory spot they lose one as well.Ad would just be more dangerous because you wouldn't get defensive items and you would need to position better.Same way you do less damage they are less tanky.I don't see a difference. It has to do with scaling. The linear scaling of bruiser's damage/tankiness, means his sacrifice of 1 slot is less detrimental in lategame than it does with an ADC who loses 1 slot. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
(he doesn't have an escape so it's actually a mystery to me) as far as I can tell the damage from flack cannon(kinda like twitch ult) is just that good that it's worth the risk | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote: The problem with what your suggesting; is that item would actually be good on a solo laner. It's too fucking slot efficient. Also, with that item cost, the timing would still be hard for support to get reliably. Unless the item has good AD/AS/Crit scaling with it, it'd be impossible for an ADC to peel off that kind of gap closing. Flash+flash+gap closer = dead ADC. I said in my original post that double flash wouldn't be allowed. Instead the item would just give 10% cdr for Flash if you already had the summoner spell. I only suggested this because there are already examples of summoner spells able to be purchased as items: QSS = better than Clense Ward = mini CV Promote is now only available as an item purchase. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:01 Ghost-z wrote: Should Riot make support items slightly more cost-efficient AND slightly less slot-efficient? You basically want your support items to be like Sightstone. They should be cheap, potent, and purchased primarily for their active. The extra stats are nice, but shouldn't get in the way of a support actually buying the item. The problem with Ohmwrecker, Mikhael's, Shard, and pretty much every support item that isn't Sightstone is that they all involve dumping tons of gold into stats, when supports are best off dumping tons of gold into wards. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:44 Ghost-z wrote: I said in my original post that double flash wouldn't be allowed. Instead the item would just give 10% cdr for Flash if you already had the summoner spell. I only suggested this because there are already examples of summoner spells able to be purchased as items: QSS = better than Clense Ward = mini CV Promote is now only available as an item purchase. too many variables, how much, what other stats are on the item. like 10% flash cd sucks if it's like 2k gold, but if it's just slapped on to a tank item for ~600 extra gold it could be interesting for initation... mabye I mean it's competing with distortion at 475 so there is that. | ||
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red_
United States8474 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:42 Slusher wrote: honestly it would take a non-casual dota player (unlike myself) to explain why Gyro is the only ranged hard carry that gets a wiff of competitive action for me to even fully understand the implications of blink dagger on ADCs (he doesn't have an escape so it's actually a mystery to me) as far as I can tell the damage from flack cannon(kinda like twitch ult) is just that good that it's worth the risk Weaver is one of the most picked, and highest winrate champs in TI3. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:48 Slusher wrote: too many variables, how much, what other stats are on the item. like 10% flash cd sucks if it's like 2k gold, but if it's just slapped on to a tank item for ~600 extra gold it could be interesting for initation... mabye I mean it's competing with distortion at 475 so there is that. The idea was that if you already took flash you would never buy the item. Instead if you took ignite/barrier for the lane phase you could purchase the flash item later in the mid game. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:51 red_ wrote: Weaver is one of the most picked, and highest winrate champs in TI3. is he a hard carry though? I've seen him played hard carry but not as often as the 2 or the 3. that said even I know the answer to that one, Linkn's(Banchee's) rush + instant Stealth not exactly a brain buster. I think of weaver more like I'd think of Kennen a strong laner with decent but not carry level late game damage, I mean mostly you see MKB and mabye one other damage item on him? (Deso or Radience) | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
100% opinion obviously | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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