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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:01 Ghost-z wrote: Should Riot make support items slightly more cost-efficient AND slightly less slot-efficient? Yes, and stop adding expensive regen stats on support items. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
This is perhaps the biggest issue. Even if your support had infinite gold, you'd still want them to buy wards, but you would not want to buy the current support items (maybe a locket to save your jungler the indignity). The additional point that you can't get flash/exhaust/ignite etc any other way, but you can buy a shitton of wards and mostly duplicate CV. I think it's interesting that Riot's worried about vision and 2v1's but hasn't moved to encourage non-combat map mobility and roaming supports as ways to make the game more dynamic. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Well I mean like, kinda in a way if you squint your eyes and don't think too hard about it sort of maybe (?) | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:03 Haiq343 wrote: This is perhaps the biggest issue. Even if your support had infinite gold, you'd still want them to buy wards, but you would not want to buy the current support items (maybe a locket to save your jungler the indignity). The additional point that you can't get flash/exhaust/ignite etc any other way, but you can buy a shitton of wards and mostly duplicate CV. I think it's interesting that Riot's worried about vision and 2v1's but hasn't moved to encourage non-combat map mobility and roaming supports as ways to make the game more dynamic. That would go against the 2-1-1+J meta (also weren't roam Taric/Alistar nerfed pretty hard) | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:06 Ghost-z wrote: I'm fine with having regen items as part of the buildup on support items as long as they aren't figured into Riot's cost-effective calculations. Regen is a strong stat in lane but it's complete dog shit by the time you complete the full item (aegis/shurelias). The regen as part of buildup is okay-ish. But if there's one thing we learned in season 2, flat hp stats are much more favored over regen; look at how popular HoG was in comparison to Philo. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:07 wei2coolman wrote: The regen as part of buildup is okay-ish. But if there's one thing we learned in season 2, flat hp stats are much more favored over regen; look at how popular HoG was in comparison to Philo. HoG was always good. Philo was only good in 1v1 trading during lane phase. Which is why if you only bought one it was going to be HoG. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:11 Ghost-z wrote: HoG was always good. Philo was only good in 1v1 trading during lane phase. Which is why if you only bought one it was going to be HoG. Essentially, imagine if Shurelya's just straight up removed philo from build up. How much better of an item would that be? It'd be so good. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:07 Slusher wrote: I mean other than the fact that Exhaust chops 30% off of your damage in addition to the attack speed/movement slow for a longer duration, they are pretty much the exact same thing yes. What if every summoner spell had an in game item equivalent that could be purchased? And since everyone would buy double flash lets make it so that if you buy the flash item when you already have flash is just reduces the cooldown by 10% or something. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote: Essentially, imagine if Shurelya's just straight up removed philo from build up. How much better of an item would that be? It'd be so good. Just an upgrade from the kindlegem? Oh yes. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:13 Ghost-z wrote: What if every summoner spell had an in game item equivalent that could be purchased? And since everyone would buy double flash lets make it so that if you buy the flash item when you already have flash is just reduces the cooldown by 10% or something. ADC's wouldn't exist any more. | ||
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Haiq343
United States2548 Posts
They don't already! + Show Spoiler + Marksmen. Edit: Sorry, I'm embarrassed for myself. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:13 wei2coolman wrote: Essentially, imagine if Shurelya's just straight up removed philo from build up. How much better of an item would that be? It'd be so good. You mean like this? + Show Spoiler + +250 health Passive +10% cooldown reduction Active: Unique: Nearby allies gain 40% movement speed for 3 seconds (60 second cooldown). (600 range) Cost: 1400 Gold I'm suggesting this. + Show Spoiler + Stats +500 health +10 health regeneration +10 mana regeneration Passive: +10% cooldown reduction Active: Unique: Nearby allies gain 40% movement speed for 3 seconds (60 second cooldown). (600 range) Cost: 2100 I'm ignoring the value of the regen stats in the final item build and then just adding useful stats until it becomes cost-effective. Basically the regen stats on Shurelyas are almost free and you can keep philo in the build. Philo is only effective during the laning phase and that's the only time you'll have it. | ||
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
I don't see how that would make any role more or less viable than it already is. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:13 Ghost-z wrote: What if every summoner spell had an in game item equivalent that could be purchased? And since everyone would buy double flash lets make it so that if you buy the flash item when you already have flash is just reduces the cooldown by 10% or something. Hard to say, this is such a huge change to the game, I remember when I first found out about the blink dagger (and apperently there was a blink dagger in lol beta at some point it's on the wiki as a boot upgrade but idk) I thought it would be so cool to remove the flash summoner and make you buy it if you want it, and Yango instantly countered saying the game has gone so far down the road of Flash being available, a change of that magnitude would require a re-balance of at least 75% of the cast. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:27 Ghost-z wrote: I don't see how that would make any role more or less viable than it already is. Unless the item has good AD/AS/Crit scaling with it, it'd be impossible for an ADC to peel off that kind of gap closing. Flash+flash+gap closer = dead ADC. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Ghost-z
United States1291 Posts
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