On August 06 2013 03:17 Gahlo wrote:
Riot knows how to get to me. I've wanted to pick up Nami and Lulu, but wanted to try them first. Nami is free this week and Lulu is free next week.

Nami is still hella op.

Just sayin'.

Dandel Ion

Austria17960 Posts

August 05 2013 19:30 GMT

#2322

I often duo with a soraka only player who insists on taking CV.

The map vision is nice and all, but you'll never win a 2v2 unless you go to retardely huge lengths to bait out their summoners beforehand/get the jungler to do it.

An additional summoner is SUCH an advantage and difference it's not even funny.

So after personally trying it a whole lot, I have to say: it's not worth it. Wards are cheap, just place them, and go win 2v2s instead.

€: I should add, when I manage to convince the sora to take exhaust herself, we have a FAR better laningphase.
You'll likely not even notice how huge the difference is until you try it.

SnK-Arcbound

United States4423 Posts

August 05 2013 19:32 GMT

#2323

CV is still quite powerful, but not nearly as powerful as proper warding and just buying more wards as peoples skill at MOBAs increase.

If you want to pick up a support, get fiddle.

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

August 05 2013 19:33 GMT

#2324

You're right about barrier/ignite/exhaust, that's why I'm suggesting playing safer in lane and making the higher percentage plays. Being more defensive in lane extends the lane phase I think is core to delaying extra wards for a support item.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

August 05 2013 19:35 GMT

#2325

If the other guys can all in you at any time it doesn't really work like that.They will just entirely zone you from the creep wave.Even back in start of s2 people tried it but when everyone stopped sucking at duo bot we saw no more cv because the agressive lane always capitalized on it's advantage.

Ketara

United States15065 Posts

August 05 2013 19:41 GMT

#2326

I think in order for Clairvoyance to come back it needs to be on an item like they did for Promote.

Put it on Eleisa's Miracle imo, make that item not completely useless.

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

August 05 2013 19:44 GMT

#2327

Question is why do you want it to come back?

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

August 05 2013 19:44 GMT

#2328

I'm just going to assume you guys would also hate on any support running CV/exhaust (no flash what!?).

So in keeping with the meta, take exhaust/flash, play defensive, extend lane phase, save wards early, pickup support item and hit a mid-game timing. I'm not saying this should be the new meta, just looking into ways of changing the current attitude of "always go HAM never not go HAM"

Another thought occurred to me is that CV is much stronger than wards if you lose the mid game and can no longer safely ward the jungle when the enemy support will just sweep it with oracles anyway.

mordek

United States12705 Posts

August 05 2013 19:49 GMT

#2329

Wait, why would you not want the meta to be "Always ham, never not ham"?

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

August 05 2013 19:49 GMT

#2330

On August 06 2013 04:44 Numy wrote:
Question is why do you want it to come back?

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

nafta

Bulgaria18893 Posts

August 05 2013 19:50 GMT

#2331

Not having flash is just too dangerous.Unless you are nunu or janna you really can't do it.Even on janna you can make so many plays and win a teamfight by yourself just because you have flash.Cv is amazing if they clear your wards definitely but the things you give up for that ability aren't worth it.

Unless you are talking about pro play you can just buy items on supp it really is no biggie at all.

Ghost-z

United States1291 Posts

August 05 2013 19:52 GMT

#2332

I want the freedom of choice, I thought this was 'murica.

Oh I like the idea of putting CV possibly as an active on an item.

GhandiEAGLE

United States20754 Posts

August 05 2013 19:52 GMT

#2333

So, I jumped on the Wukong hype train today and wrecked face for awhile, and then it made me realize something huge.

Sunfire stacks on Wukong's clone.

Imagine a beautiful world where some poor adc picks a fight with an AP wukong, who dashes in then clones away

The AP sunfire does a fair amount of damage, but not enough to kill, and the bewildered Marksman is looking around, wondering what just happened. He feels he is safe. But he doesn't expect the aftershock of this massive AP earthquake. Wukong's clone spins in a circle, creating a cataclysmic vortex of magical damage, a singularity in which no squishy champion can possibly exist. The marksman disappears in a world of poor ap scaling and passive magic damage, and is erased from the game, never to be seen again.

Or do it with AP Shaco for op clones. :|

beefhamburger

United States3962 Posts

August 05 2013 19:54 GMT

#2334

On August 06 2013 04:49 Ghost-z wrote:

Show nested quote +

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

But then you just get rofl stomped because you're straight up weaker, with or without vision.

Slusher

United States19143 Posts

August 05 2013 19:54 GMT

#2335

a bigger difference that hadsen't even been mentioned is, map vision can be purchased, the other popular summoners bring something you can't otherwise have.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

August 05 2013 19:54 GMT

#2336

On August 06 2013 04:49 Ghost-z wrote:

Show nested quote +

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

Need good items to buy first.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

August 05 2013 19:55 GMT

#2337

On August 06 2013 04:54 Slusher wrote:
a bigger difference that hadsen't even been mentioned is, map vision can be purchased, the other popular summoners bring something you can't otherwise have.

Randuins is kinda like Exhaust