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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12084 Posts
August 05 2013 19:30 GMT
#2321
On August 06 2013 03:17 Gahlo wrote:
Riot knows how to get to me. I've wanted to pick up Nami and Lulu, but wanted to try them first. Nami is free this week and Lulu is free next week.

Nami is still hella op.

Just sayin'.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 19:32:36
August 05 2013 19:30 GMT
#2322
I often duo with a soraka only player who insists on taking CV.

The map vision is nice and all, but you'll never win a 2v2 unless you go to retardely huge lengths to bait out their summoners beforehand/get the jungler to do it.

An additional summoner is SUCH an advantage and difference it's not even funny.

So after personally trying it a whole lot, I have to say: it's not worth it. Wards are cheap, just place them, and go win 2v2s instead.


€: I should add, when I manage to convince the sora to take exhaust herself, we have a FAR better laningphase.
You'll likely not even notice how huge the difference is until you try it.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
August 05 2013 19:32 GMT
#2323
CV is still quite powerful, but not nearly as powerful as proper warding and just buying more wards as peoples skill at MOBAs increase.

If you want to pick up a support, get fiddle.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
August 05 2013 19:33 GMT
#2324
You're right about barrier/ignite/exhaust, that's why I'm suggesting playing safer in lane and making the higher percentage plays. Being more defensive in lane extends the lane phase I think is core to delaying extra wards for a support item.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
August 05 2013 19:35 GMT
#2325
If the other guys can all in you at any time it doesn't really work like that.They will just entirely zone you from the creep wave.Even back in start of s2 people tried it but when everyone stopped sucking at duo bot we saw no more cv because the agressive lane always capitalized on it's advantage.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 05 2013 19:41 GMT
#2326
I think in order for Clairvoyance to come back it needs to be on an item like they did for Promote.

Put it on Eleisa's Miracle imo, make that item not completely useless.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#2327
Question is why do you want it to come back?
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
August 05 2013 19:44 GMT
#2328
I'm just going to assume you guys would also hate on any support running CV/exhaust (no flash what!?).

So in keeping with the meta, take exhaust/flash, play defensive, extend lane phase, save wards early, pickup support item and hit a mid-game timing. I'm not saying this should be the new meta, just looking into ways of changing the current attitude of "always go HAM never not go HAM"

Another thought occurred to me is that CV is much stronger than wards if you lose the mid game and can no longer safely ward the jungle when the enemy support will just sweep it with oracles anyway.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 05 2013 19:49 GMT
#2329
Wait, why would you not want the meta to be "Always ham, never not ham"?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
August 05 2013 19:49 GMT
#2330
On August 06 2013 04:44 Numy wrote:
Question is why do you want it to come back?

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 19:51:08
August 05 2013 19:50 GMT
#2331
Not having flash is just too dangerous.Unless you are nunu or janna you really can't do it.Even on janna you can make so many plays and win a teamfight by yourself just because you have flash.Cv is amazing if they clear your wards definitely but the things you give up for that ability aren't worth it.

Unless you are talking about pro play you can just buy items on supp it really is no biggie at all.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
August 05 2013 19:52 GMT
#2332
I want the freedom of choice, I thought this was 'murica.

Oh I like the idea of putting CV possibly as an active on an item.
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 05 2013 19:52 GMT
#2333
So, I jumped on the Wukong hype train today and wrecked face for awhile, and then it made me realize something huge.

Sunfire stacks on Wukong's clone.

Imagine a beautiful world where some poor adc picks a fight with an AP wukong, who dashes in then clones away

The AP sunfire does a fair amount of damage, but not enough to kill, and the bewildered Marksman is looking around, wondering what just happened. He feels he is safe. But he doesn't expect the aftershock of this massive AP earthquake. Wukong's clone spins in a circle, creating a cataclysmic vortex of magical damage, a singularity in which no squishy champion can possibly exist. The marksman disappears in a world of poor ap scaling and passive magic damage, and is erased from the game, never to be seen again.

Or do it with AP Shaco for op clones. :|
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
August 05 2013 19:54 GMT
#2334
On August 06 2013 04:49 Ghost-z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 04:44 Numy wrote:
Question is why do you want it to come back?

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

But then you just get rofl stomped because you're straight up weaker, with or without vision.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 05 2013 19:54 GMT
#2335
a bigger difference that hadsen't even been mentioned is, map vision can be purchased, the other popular summoners bring something you can't otherwise have.
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 05 2013 19:54 GMT
#2336
On August 06 2013 04:49 Ghost-z wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 04:44 Numy wrote:
Question is why do you want it to come back?

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

Need good items to buy first.
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 19:55 GMT
#2337
On August 06 2013 04:54 Slusher wrote:
a bigger difference that hadsen't even been mentioned is, map vision can be purchased, the other popular summoners bring something you can't otherwise have.

Randuins is kinda like Exhaust
It's your boy Guzma!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 05 2013 19:58 GMT
#2338
On August 06 2013 04:55 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 04:54 Slusher wrote:
a bigger difference that hadsen't even been mentioned is, map vision can be purchased, the other popular summoners bring something you can't otherwise have.

Randuins is kinda like Exhaust


no.
Carrilord has arrived.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
August 05 2013 19:59 GMT
#2339
I want to see CV Vlad, that guy doesn't need his summoners. Take a hit for the team.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
August 05 2013 20:01 GMT
#2340
On August 06 2013 04:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 04:49 Ghost-z wrote:
On August 06 2013 04:44 Numy wrote:
Question is why do you want it to come back?

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

Need good items to buy first.

Should Riot make support items slightly more cost-efficient AND slightly less slot-efficient?
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
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