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Capped
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom7236 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:15:20
August 05 2013 17:14 GMT
#2281
Shit wukong banned in a bronze game.

THEY'RE ONTO ME

+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/euw/24135362
Useless wet fish.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 05 2013 17:15 GMT
#2282
You need to get challenger asap Capped, and qualify for the LCS. Show them the terror of Wukong!
hi
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:42:10
August 05 2013 17:19 GMT
#2283
On August 06 2013 01:59 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 01:55 Clinic wrote:
the most important meta timing for a support is how early the first oracles can be bought after sightstone. the standard timing is ~15 minutes, in order to establish vision control for the second dragon. if philo stone is not bought early, sightstone + oracles is not a difficult goal even without any gold runes. therefore, unless getting an especially early oracles is strategically important in a particular game, it is better to use runes that afford stronger laning



This makes so much sense, except it can't be a standard thing in solo queue. Sometimes 1st drake doesn't even happen before the 15 minute mark.


true, and it was bad of me to not consider this. so i'll correct myself to simply 'in order to establish vision control'. to speak more generally, vision control is the absolute priority of the support. if the support is purchasing items unrelated to vision after the core of ruby sightstone and mobility boots, then at least one of three things is probably happening:

1) the support's team is very far ahead in gold
2) the support's team does not have vision control
3) somebody else on the support's team has taken the oracles burden, or nobody is buying oracles. this is either bad for the person buying oracles or for everyone

you see supports in soloq building items like shurelia's and locket, but this is a playstyle strictly dominated by a support dedicated to vision (i believe this holds true even in soloq, but i can see why many would disagree). the reason why nonoptimal support play is prevalent in soloq is because since most people play that way, the disadvantages end up washing out. as for why nonvision items are being built at all, i believe that such play is considered more fun and is a particularly durable relic of previous metas

more respected posters than i have repeatedly brought up the issue of support itemization being more practical on nonsupports, largely due to timing reasons, and i agree with this. this is why briefly popular supports such as elise fell out of favor in the current meta, with the new oracles being a big factor - now that wards are so easy to clear, any support that needs to invest in items like a haunting guise to be relevant in fights is not going to be able to buy enough wards to keep up.

i don't know if this was the intended design direction, but with oracles as it is now, the best supports are going to be building mobis + ruby sightstone and nothing else for the foreseeable future

realized i droned on about support itemization without linking it back to why non gold runes are better - all a support needs to buy after early game are wards and oracles. gold runes don't really provide an appreciable benefit in this regard, since the real limiting factor here is that the support has enough gold to rebuy oracles when it runs out, which will always be the case regardless of runes. gold runes are also clearly inferior in the early game except in fringe cases of accelerating build timings by tiny margins
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 17:21 GMT
#2284
On August 06 2013 02:14 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.

Nah, I know it's a thing about me, and my stream chat tells me a lot.

Or as Wave likes to put it: "How come you play like such a pussy on every other champion but you dive 1v4 with Yi?"
It's your boy Guzma!
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#2285
To be fair, if there's a champion that can win a 1v4, it's Yi.

I won a 1v4 with Lux once, right before losing the game. That quadra felt damn good though.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
August 05 2013 17:24 GMT
#2286
On August 05 2013 15:16 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 15:11 Slusher wrote:
shit is situational


Hardcore truth up in here.

Only a sith deal in absolutes, yo.

So therefore you are sith!
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 05 2013 17:25 GMT
#2287
On August 06 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:14 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.

Nah, I know it's a thing about me, and my stream chat tells me a lot.

Or as Wave likes to put it: "How come you play like such a pussy on every other champion but you dive 1v4 with Yi?"

I was more referencing myself, but okay.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 17:28 GMT
#2288
On August 06 2013 02:25 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:14 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.

Nah, I know it's a thing about me, and my stream chat tells me a lot.

Or as Wave likes to put it: "How come you play like such a pussy on every other champion but you dive 1v4 with Yi?"

I was more referencing myself, but okay.

Maybe that's why we're both in Silver~

*saddest brofist you've ever seen*
It's your boy Guzma!
Myrick
Profile Joined March 2013
26 Posts
August 05 2013 17:33 GMT
#2289
Does anyone know when the 3.10 patch will be implemented for LCS? I'm interested to see how they handle the supposed "death of the 1v2."
myricklol.blogspot.com League Analysis Blog
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:36:34
August 05 2013 17:36 GMT
#2290
On August 06 2013 02:28 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:25 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:14 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.

Nah, I know it's a thing about me, and my stream chat tells me a lot.

Or as Wave likes to put it: "How come you play like such a pussy on every other champion but you dive 1v4 with Yi?"

I was more referencing myself, but okay.

Maybe that's why we're both in Silver~

*saddest brofist you've ever seen*

Brofists are the definition awesome.

As a newer player I'm curious how many other people deal with the pain of having only 2 rune pages and having to pick between cool heroes or having a functional early game.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
August 05 2013 17:39 GMT
#2291


As a newer player I'm curious how many other people deal with the pain of having only 2 rune pages and having to pick between cool heroes or having a functional early game.


Cold hard cash is typically the answer. But I'm a filthy casual so I just buy fun heroes
UMS > Melee
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:42:46
August 05 2013 17:42 GMT
#2292
On August 06 2013 02:36 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:28 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:25 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:14 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.

Nah, I know it's a thing about me, and my stream chat tells me a lot.

Or as Wave likes to put it: "How come you play like such a pussy on every other champion but you dive 1v4 with Yi?"

I was more referencing myself, but okay.

Maybe that's why we're both in Silver~

*saddest brofist you've ever seen*

Brofists are the definition awesome.

As a newer player I'm curious how many other people deal with the pain of having only 2 rune pages and having to pick between cool heroes or having a functional early game.


I have a full 20 rune pages and I use all of them, but I think you only really absolutely need 3-5 to cover most champions in most roles. After that you start specializing rune pages for specific sorts of matchups rather than having all around pages for a single sort of champion.

If we could go up to 25-30 rune pages I could probably find uses for those too.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
KarlKaliente
Profile Joined March 2012
United States434 Posts
August 05 2013 17:42 GMT
#2293
On August 06 2013 02:33 Myrick wrote:
Does anyone know when the 3.10 patch will be implemented for LCS? I'm interested to see how they handle the supposed "death of the 1v2."


I'm curious to see this as well - super week and playoffs are both super awkward times to drop an update like that.
UMS > Melee
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:44:07
August 05 2013 17:43 GMT
#2294
On August 06 2013 02:36 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:28 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:25 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:14 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.

Nah, I know it's a thing about me, and my stream chat tells me a lot.

Or as Wave likes to put it: "How come you play like such a pussy on every other champion but you dive 1v4 with Yi?"

I was more referencing myself, but okay.

Maybe that's why we're both in Silver~

*saddest brofist you've ever seen*

Brofists are the definition awesome.

As a newer player I'm curious how many other people deal with the pain of having only 2 rune pages and having to pick between cool heroes or having a functional early game.


1. AP Quints/MP Reds/Armor Yellows/scaling/flat Mr blues
2. Ad Quints/AD Reds/Armor Yellows/scaling/flat Mr blues

with those 2 pages alone you can carry yourself all the way to diamond, at least what I did on my smurf. The next best investments are probably another runepage first and then MS quints and lifesteal quints if you decide to main marksman.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 05 2013 17:45 GMT
#2295
On August 06 2013 02:19 Clinic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 01:59 Sponkz wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:55 Clinic wrote:
the most important meta timing for a support is how early the first oracles can be bought after sightstone. the standard timing is ~15 minutes, in order to establish vision control for the second dragon. if philo stone is not bought early, sightstone + oracles is not a difficult goal even without any gold runes. therefore, unless getting an especially early oracles is strategically important in a particular game, it is better to use runes that afford stronger laning



This makes so much sense, except it can't be a standard thing in solo queue. Sometimes 1st drake doesn't even happen before the 15 minute mark.


true, and it was bad of me to not consider this. so i'll correct myself to simply 'in order to establish vision control'. to speak more generally, vision control is the absolute priority of the support. if the support is purchasing items unrelated to vision after the core of ruby sightstone and mobility boots, then at least one of three things is probably happening:

1) the support's team is very far ahead in gold
2) the support's team does not have vision control
3) somebody else on the support's team has taken the oracles burden, or nobody is buying oracles. this is either bad for the person buying oracles or for everyone

you see supports in soloq building items like shurelia's and locket, but this is a playstyle strictly dominated by a support dedicated to vision (i believe this holds true even in soloq, but i can see why many would disagree). the reason why nonoptimal support play is prevalent in soloq is because since most people play that way, the disadvantages end up washing out. as for why nonvision items are being built at all, i believe that such play is considered more fun and is a particularly durable relic of previous metas

more respected posters than i have repeatedly brought up the issue of support itemization being more practical on nonsupports, largely due to timing reasons, and i agree with this. this is why briefly popular supports such as elise fell out of favor in the current meta, with the new oracles being a big factor - now that wards are so easy to clear, any support that needs to invest in items like a haunting guise to be relevant in fights is not going to be able to buy enough wards to keep up.

i don't know if this was the intended design direction, but with oracles as it is now, the best supports are going to be building mobis + ruby sightstone and nothing else for the foreseeable future

realized i droned on about support itemization without linking it back to why non gold runes are better - all a support needs to buy after early game are wards and oracles. gold runes don't really provide an appreciable benefit in this regard, since the real limiting factor here is that the support has enough gold to rebuy oracles when it runs out, which will always be the case regardless of runes. gold runes are also clearly inferior in the early game except in fringe cases of accelerating build timings by tiny margins



Yeah i agree. Supports tend to be the ward-bitch, swiping with oracles and so on. I think the biggest issue is how great a factor gp10 was in Season 2 and RIOT tried to further develop this in Season 3 with Shard of the true ice, but it's such a shitty item that you never see in competetive play (that and also the fact that gp10 from items has fallen greatly out of favor for any role).


Also off-topic but where are you from? Your first post, seemed like something i could hear coming out of the mouth from MonteCristo.
hi
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 05 2013 17:48 GMT
#2296
On August 06 2013 02:43 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 02:36 Haiq343 wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:28 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:25 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:21 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:14 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.

Nah, I know it's a thing about me, and my stream chat tells me a lot.

Or as Wave likes to put it: "How come you play like such a pussy on every other champion but you dive 1v4 with Yi?"

I was more referencing myself, but okay.

Maybe that's why we're both in Silver~

*saddest brofist you've ever seen*

Brofists are the definition awesome.

As a newer player I'm curious how many other people deal with the pain of having only 2 rune pages and having to pick between cool heroes or having a functional early game.


1. AP Quints/MP Reds/Armor Yellows/scaling/flat Mr blues
2. Ad Quints/AD Reds/Armor Yellows/scaling/flat Mr blues

with those 2 pages alone you can carry yourself all the way to diamond, at least what I did on my smurf. The next best investments are probably another runepage first and then MS quints and lifesteal quints if you decide to main marksman.


I find don't even bother with AP quints. AD is useful for so many AP mids. Helps last hitting and some harass too so it's win/win if you want to buy more champs.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 18:28:49
August 05 2013 18:13 GMT
#2297
Man, EU mids are so far ahead of the rest of the EU players.
Freeeeeeedom
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 05 2013 18:17 GMT
#2298
Riot knows how to get to me. I've wanted to pick up Nami and Lulu, but wanted to try them first. Nami is free this week and Lulu is free next week.
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
August 05 2013 18:18 GMT
#2299
http://na.lolesports.com/season3/split2/articles/world-championship-tickets-available-aug-15

season 3 world championship schedule
lefty
Profile Joined November 2003
United States1896 Posts
August 05 2013 18:19 GMT
#2300
Group matches being BO1 mean NA teams might have a chance afterall.
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