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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
August 05 2013 16:05 GMT
#2261
On August 05 2013 23:41 Clinic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 23:39 nafta wrote:
It's really weird.His ult isn't hard to land at all yet every lcs game it misses at least once for no reason.


they're often trying to land it from exact max range because pros


In a lot of circumstances you can't really afford to wait for an opponent to get closer, as that often means they'll gap close to you before your ult hits them. It also has one of the smallest hitboxes in LoL.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 16:12:33
August 05 2013 16:12 GMT
#2262
there are very few champs that can threaten a gap close from almost 1100 range without flash, and many of the whiffs are in situations where the varus is in absolutely no danger of being engaged on. it's often just a matter of riding the razor's edge of range for the surprise factor (because people will immediately be on guard after lane phase once a varus is well within ult range) and missing. the small hitbox is certainly a factor too
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 05 2013 16:26 GMT
#2263
On August 06 2013 00:51 AsnSensation wrote:
Why did I ignore my friends nagging to watch Breaking Bad for so long? Finally started last week and consumed the first two seasons within 2 days :D and I'm loving it.

I guess Bryan Cranston winning 3 Emmy's for Best Lead Actor in a row vs huge competition like House, Dexter, Mentalist and Mad Men should have been a sign for me that the series is worth it :D


Yeah, apparently the only reason he wasn't nominated was because they didn't send the paperwork in on time.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 16:48:02
August 05 2013 16:38 GMT
#2264
On August 06 2013 00:43 SoulSever wrote:
Do people still run gp5 quints on support pages? What should I typically be running instead?



If you do not wish to run gp10 quints (which is viable in 9 out of 10 cases) you can choose health quints aswell. My standard support page nowadays is gp10 quints, armor marks, armor seals and flat mres glyphs
hi
Ghost-z
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1291 Posts
August 05 2013 16:42 GMT
#2265
I run AD reds on my support page. Gotta land some auto harass!

(I don't have armor reds, IP costs are OP)
Fairy Tales when you're a child begin with "Once upon a time" and when you're an adult begin, "If elected I promise..."
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 05 2013 16:43 GMT
#2266
Yeah i sometimes run a page with ad reds instead of armor, if i feel like i can outtrade level 1 and just zone off for easy kills at 2-3-4.
hi
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
August 05 2013 16:44 GMT
#2267
On August 06 2013 00:43 SoulSever wrote:
Do people still run gp5 quints on support pages? What should I typically be running instead?


Try AD reds+quints on Lulu and just laugh at how hard you truck them at lvl 1.
MPen reds+quints on Leona is nice if you KNOW you can E them enough for the to pay off.

It depends on how you want to play etc. but nowadays i don't even run GP/10 quints anymore.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 05 2013 16:47 GMT
#2268
The biggest downside with AD quints, mpen quints or whatever, is that if the opposing bot-lane can handle it, and their support is running gp10 quints he will eventually get a lead as the game progresses, where your rune setup will stop scaling.
hi
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
August 05 2013 16:49 GMT
#2269
On August 06 2013 01:47 Sponkz wrote:
The biggest downside with AD quints, mpen quints or whatever, is that if the opposing bot-lane can handle it, and their support is running gp10 quints he will eventually get a lead as the game progresses, where your rune setup will stop scaling.

And just think of all the sweet support items they can buy! I wish kindlegem built into something worth buying...
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 16:51 GMT
#2270
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.
It's your boy Guzma!
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
August 05 2013 16:55 GMT
#2271
the most important meta timing for a support is how early the first oracles can be bought after sightstone. the standard timing is ~15 minutes, in order to establish vision control for the second dragon. if philo stone is not bought early, sightstone + oracles is not a difficult goal even without any gold runes. therefore, unless getting an especially early oracles is strategically important in a particular game, it is better to use runes that afford stronger laning
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
August 05 2013 16:56 GMT
#2272
On August 06 2013 00:43 SoulSever wrote:
Do people still run gp5 quints on support pages? What should I typically be running instead?


It really depends on the matchup. On sona I get MS quints most of the time because I think her main usefulness is dealing tons of damage all the time and being annoying as fuck which you can't do if you get caught (grabbed, stunned, rooted etc.). On janna (which iam way worse at) I tend to get gp10 quints and even seals (with armor marks) because she is such a passive/reactive champ (I pick her only over sona if I want to be better at disengaging anyways.).

Just look at the matchup and take what fits your champ and your playstile. If you compare directly vs base stats you get the value in gold at around 15min. from then on the quints start to generate more money than they cost you initially.

So if you wouldnt make use of the stats quints qould give you then after 15min you can buy your base stats you lost when you didn't get them in your quints and after 30min you have another set of quints. If you would make use of better base stats then those time marks get delayed by a impossible to determine amount.

oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
August 05 2013 16:56 GMT
#2273
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 05 2013 16:59 GMT
#2274
On August 06 2013 01:55 Clinic wrote:
the most important meta timing for a support is how early the first oracles can be bought after sightstone. the standard timing is ~15 minutes, in order to establish vision control for the second dragon. if philo stone is not bought early, sightstone + oracles is not a difficult goal even without any gold runes. therefore, unless getting an especially early oracles is strategically important in a particular game, it is better to use runes that afford stronger laning



This makes so much sense, except it can't be a standard thing in solo queue. Sometimes 1st drake doesn't even happen before the 15 minute mark.
hi
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 05 2013 16:59 GMT
#2275
I know people sometimes run ad reds instead of Mp/hybrid on matchups vs Kassadin, but in the new Mid Lane school Rapidstar says he likes to run Atk Speed reds, so ad or atk sp?
Lysteria
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
France2280 Posts
August 05 2013 17:03 GMT
#2276
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.


All-in champions are learnt the hard way.
All-in until you know how much you can handle before dying. Better have a zen mindset cuz of the bazillion games lost.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 17:03 GMT
#2277
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.
It's your boy Guzma!
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:10:04
August 05 2013 17:09 GMT
#2278
On August 06 2013 01:49 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 01:47 Sponkz wrote:
The biggest downside with AD quints, mpen quints or whatever, is that if the opposing bot-lane can handle it, and their support is running gp10 quints he will eventually get a lead as the game progresses, where your rune setup will stop scaling.

And just think of all the sweet support items they can buy! I wish kindlegem built into something worth buying...

it's why I run full Gp10 quints and yellows (even though the latter is stupidly risky) on my "safe" supports like Janna and Nami.

If we go even/win the lane phase, I can have full support items by 40ish min.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
August 05 2013 17:09 GMT
#2279
Stacking as much AD from runes/masteries as you can on Sona is always pretty sweet. As soon as the lane starts you power auto + Q and nuke an AD for like 70% just from that. I've been having so much fun with ward bitch nogold support meta, please don't ever change.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 17:15:19
August 05 2013 17:14 GMT
#2280
On August 06 2013 02:03 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 01:56 Gahlo wrote:
On August 06 2013 01:51 Requizen wrote:
Diana is one of those champions that I really want to learn because I love her lore and design, but I kind of suck with her :\
Every time I see IronStylus post art of her I want to try her again but I end up feeding really hard because I pretty much suck at all in champions. Maybe I should just force myself to play her some more until I tank back to Silver 5.

It's all a matter or time. With all ins, you need to throw yourself out there and find out what is too much. From there you can scale back slowly. It's a lot more efficient than being a little bitch and taking forever to get the guts to put your foot in. =]

Hey.

I mean, that's accurate. But hey now.


I just have an issue with going all in, and I think it's part of what's holding me back. I know I'm generally better or as good as my lane opponent (sometimes not, I get wrecked occasionally), but I never press that advantage and I just play safe, allowing them to stay in the game and be useful. I should probably just go ham all the time like I do when I play Yi or AP Teemo.

I'm speaking in general, not being trying to condescend to you.
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