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No more bad posting
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
August 05 2013 21:07 GMT
#2381
TIL Dignitas throws as hard in DotA 2 than in LoL. 'cept it means they're still able of acquiring a lead in the first place in DotA.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 21:33:11
August 05 2013 21:25 GMT
#2382
On August 06 2013 05:47 Seuss wrote:
To defibrillate a topic:

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:01 Ghost-z wrote:
On August 06 2013 04:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 06 2013 04:49 Ghost-z wrote:
On August 06 2013 04:44 Numy wrote:
Question is why do you want it to come back?

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

Need good items to buy first.

Should Riot make support items slightly more cost-efficient AND slightly less slot-efficient?


You basically want your support items to be like Sightstone. They should be cheap, potent, and purchased primarily for their active. The extra stats are nice, but shouldn't get in the way of a support actually buying the item.

The problem with Ohmwrecker, Mikhael's, Shard, and pretty much every support item that isn't Sightstone is that they all involve dumping tons of gold into stats, when supports are best off dumping tons of gold into wards.


Basically this. If a support item costs more than 2k gold, it's not really a "support" item anymore.

Ignoring Sightstone, Shard of True Ice is I think the best example of what I'd like a support item to be. It's 1600 gold, gives some stats but not enough for a laner to ever want it, and has an active.

The problem with Shard of True Ice is that its active is awkward and the stats it gives are awkward. Why can't we use its active on enemy champions too? Why does it have to build from Mana Manipulator? Mana Manip would make way more sense if it built into Shurelya or Mikhaels.

The problem with Shurelya, Ohmwrecker, Mikhael, Twin Shadows, Will of the Ancients and Banner of Command is that while they're not bad items for a support to have, they need to have stats shaved off of them till they're brought down to that 1500-1800g pricepoint. Specifically they just give too much regen.

The problem with Eleisa's Miracle is that it's just a completely terrible item and useless.

The problem with Zeke's Herald is that its stats are just way better on a laner than on a support.

There's support items in a nutshell.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
August 05 2013 21:26 GMT
#2383
Whenever i have the gold now, because my team is winning, i end up with zeke's or frozen heart, and it makes me feel terrible, because i know it cannot work in any even games like ranked 5v5.
hi
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
August 05 2013 21:29 GMT
#2384
I always find myself wanting to get zeke's but that jump from kindlegem is too big
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
August 05 2013 21:31 GMT
#2385
On August 06 2013 06:25 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 05:47 Seuss wrote:
To defibrillate a topic:

On August 06 2013 05:01 Ghost-z wrote:
On August 06 2013 04:54 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 06 2013 04:49 Ghost-z wrote:
On August 06 2013 04:44 Numy wrote:
Question is why do you want it to come back?

I really don't care for CV to become the new meta. I'm just looking for ways the support can save money on wards and actually buy an item without getting rofl stomped because of the lack of vision.

Need good items to buy first.

Should Riot make support items slightly more cost-efficient AND slightly less slot-efficient?


You basically want your support items to be like Sightstone. They should be cheap, potent, and purchased primarily for their active. The extra stats are nice, but shouldn't get in the way of a support actually buying the item.

The problem with Ohmwrecker, Mikhael's, Shard, and pretty much every support item that isn't Sightstone is that they all involve dumping tons of gold into stats, when supports are best off dumping tons of gold into wards.


Basically this. If a support item costs more than 2k gold, it's not really a "support" item anymore.

Ignoring Sightstone, Shard of True Ice is I think the best example of what I'd like a support item to be. It's 1600 gold, gives some stats but not enough for a laner to ever want it, and has an active.

The problem with Shard of True Ice is that its active is awkward and the stats it gives are awkward. Why can't we use its active on enemy champions too? Why does it have to build from Mana Manipulator? Mana Manip would make way more sense if it built into Shurelya or Mikhaels.

The problem with Shurelya, Ohmwrecker, Mikhael, Twin Shadows and Banner of Command is that while they're not bad items for a support to have, they need to have stats shaved off of them till they're brought down to that 1500g pricepoint. Specifically they just give too much regen.

The problem with Eleisa's Miracle is that it's just a completely terrible item and useless.

The problem with Zeke's Herald is that its stats are just way better on a laner than on a support.

There's support items in a nutshell.


I think Twin Shadows is in a good spot personally, but yeah Shard of True Ice is a bit underwhelming. The active needs to be slightly larger in radius IMO.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 21:35:28
August 05 2013 21:34 GMT
#2386
Just make it castable on enemy champions and you'd see the item getting picked up I bet. A point and click 4 second 30% slow? I know a certain other item that had that exact effect and needed to be nerfed.

Could probably even make it 3 seconds on enemy cast and 4 seconds on ally cast.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
August 05 2013 21:34 GMT
#2387
On August 06 2013 06:29 mordek wrote:
I always find myself wanting to get zeke's but that jump from kindlegem is too big

And buying the vamp scepter on a support makes me feel terrible. AD and lifesteal? I'm never using those stats.
Cloud9157
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2968 Posts
August 05 2013 21:34 GMT
#2388
No champ thread for him, so I may as well ask here.

Why does no one take Aatrox mid? He would be freaking silly vs ap mids I feel, especially if you get a SV.
"Are you absolutely sure that armor only affects the health portion of a protoss army??? That doesn't sound right to me. source?" -Some idiot
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 21:37 GMT
#2389
Login queue for NA? wtf?
It's your boy Guzma!
Pooshlmer
Profile Joined August 2008
United States1001 Posts
August 05 2013 21:46 GMT
#2390
What if Eleisa's Miracle affected everything but Flash? I think it would be interesting.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 05 2013 21:48 GMT
#2391
there's not really much reason for miracle to exist, it's got the support item concept completely backwards.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
August 05 2013 21:52 GMT
#2392
I want Clairvoyance removed as a summoner and put on Eleisa's Miracle.

You could give it a long cooldown like 2 minutes or so and it would still be useful for baron dances. Put some HP and a little regen on it like every other support item in the goddamn game. There you go!
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
August 05 2013 21:53 GMT
#2393
On August 06 2013 06:37 Requizen wrote:
Login queue for NA? wtf?

I'm not having any issues. Ranked is disabled tho :[
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 21:57:09
August 05 2013 21:54 GMT
#2394
I just want to play ranked what the fuck is this shit

Screw it just gonna play Katawa Shoujo until ranked comes back
It's your boy Guzma!
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35174 Posts
August 05 2013 22:05 GMT
#2395
On August 06 2013 06:37 Requizen wrote:
Login queue for NA? wtf?

I know it's a national holiday type thing for Canada. Maybe it's their fault?
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 05 2013 22:08 GMT
#2396
Shard of True Ice is actually really good combined with a Mundo with Liandry's.

Random, but I happened to do that with my ranked team when we played the TPA Champion skins.

But srsly, a rainbow of wards. seven wards that do seven different things.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 05 2013 22:09 GMT
#2397
On August 06 2013 07:05 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 06:37 Requizen wrote:
Login queue for NA? wtf?

I know it's a national holiday type thing for Canada. Maybe it's their fault?


When in doubt, blame the canadians. Clearly everybody in canada plays LoL.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
August 05 2013 22:10 GMT
#2398
Ranked went away, Twitch went down... what is happening to the (online) world?
It's your boy Guzma!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
August 05 2013 22:12 GMT
#2399
valve has begun the aerial bombardment.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 05 2013 22:18 GMT
#2400
On August 06 2013 06:52 Ketara wrote:
I want Clairvoyance removed as a summoner and put on Eleisa's Miracle.

You could give it a long cooldown like 2 minutes or so and it would still be useful for baron dances. Put some HP and a little regen on it like every other support item in the goddamn game. There you go!

The mere concept of Eleisa's Miracle makes no damn sense for support, because it's an item that's balanced on the basis that it has infinite slot-efficiency. This is LEAST useful for a support. A support is the last champ in the game that wants to be paying for the fact that an item takes 0 slots.
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