EPT[Patch 3.10: Yimake Patch] General Discussion - Page 120
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On August 06 2013 05:47 Seuss wrote: To defibrillate a topic: You basically want your support items to be like Sightstone. They should be cheap, potent, and purchased primarily for their active. The extra stats are nice, but shouldn't get in the way of a support actually buying the item. The problem with Ohmwrecker, Mikhael's, Shard, and pretty much every support item that isn't Sightstone is that they all involve dumping tons of gold into stats, when supports are best off dumping tons of gold into wards. Basically this. If a support item costs more than 2k gold, it's not really a "support" item anymore. Ignoring Sightstone, Shard of True Ice is I think the best example of what I'd like a support item to be. It's 1600 gold, gives some stats but not enough for a laner to ever want it, and has an active. The problem with Shard of True Ice is that its active is awkward and the stats it gives are awkward. Why can't we use its active on enemy champions too? Why does it have to build from Mana Manipulator? Mana Manip would make way more sense if it built into Shurelya or Mikhaels. The problem with Shurelya, Ohmwrecker, Mikhael, Twin Shadows, Will of the Ancients and Banner of Command is that while they're not bad items for a support to have, they need to have stats shaved off of them till they're brought down to that 1500-1800g pricepoint. Specifically they just give too much regen. The problem with Eleisa's Miracle is that it's just a completely terrible item and useless. The problem with Zeke's Herald is that its stats are just way better on a laner than on a support. There's support items in a nutshell. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
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JazzVortical
Australia1825 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:25 Ketara wrote: Basically this. If a support item costs more than 2k gold, it's not really a "support" item anymore. Ignoring Sightstone, Shard of True Ice is I think the best example of what I'd like a support item to be. It's 1600 gold, gives some stats but not enough for a laner to ever want it, and has an active. The problem with Shard of True Ice is that its active is awkward and the stats it gives are awkward. Why can't we use its active on enemy champions too? Why does it have to build from Mana Manipulator? Mana Manip would make way more sense if it built into Shurelya or Mikhaels. The problem with Shurelya, Ohmwrecker, Mikhael, Twin Shadows and Banner of Command is that while they're not bad items for a support to have, they need to have stats shaved off of them till they're brought down to that 1500g pricepoint. Specifically they just give too much regen. The problem with Eleisa's Miracle is that it's just a completely terrible item and useless. The problem with Zeke's Herald is that its stats are just way better on a laner than on a support. There's support items in a nutshell. I think Twin Shadows is in a good spot personally, but yeah Shard of True Ice is a bit underwhelming. The active needs to be slightly larger in radius IMO. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
Could probably even make it 3 seconds on enemy cast and 4 seconds on ally cast. | ||
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SnK-Arcbound
United States4423 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:29 mordek wrote: I always find myself wanting to get zeke's but that jump from kindlegem is too big And buying the vamp scepter on a support makes me feel terrible. AD and lifesteal? I'm never using those stats. | ||
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
Why does no one take Aatrox mid? He would be freaking silly vs ap mids I feel, especially if you get a SV. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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Pooshlmer
United States1001 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
You could give it a long cooldown like 2 minutes or so and it would still be useful for baron dances. Put some HP and a little regen on it like every other support item in the goddamn game. There you go! | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:37 Requizen wrote: Login queue for NA? wtf? I'm not having any issues. Ranked is disabled tho :[ | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Screw it just gonna play Katawa Shoujo until ranked comes back | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:37 Requizen wrote: Login queue for NA? wtf? I know it's a national holiday type thing for Canada. Maybe it's their fault? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Random, but I happened to do that with my ranked team when we played the TPA Champion skins. But srsly, a rainbow of wards. seven wards that do seven different things. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On August 06 2013 07:05 Gahlo wrote: I know it's a national holiday type thing for Canada. Maybe it's their fault? When in doubt, blame the canadians. Clearly everybody in canada plays LoL. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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UniversalSnip
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 06 2013 06:52 Ketara wrote: I want Clairvoyance removed as a summoner and put on Eleisa's Miracle. You could give it a long cooldown like 2 minutes or so and it would still be useful for baron dances. Put some HP and a little regen on it like every other support item in the goddamn game. There you go! The mere concept of Eleisa's Miracle makes no damn sense for support, because it's an item that's balanced on the basis that it has infinite slot-efficiency. This is LEAST useful for a support. A support is the last champ in the game that wants to be paying for the fact that an item takes 0 slots. | ||
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