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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 15 2013 02:25 GMT
#1581
So just did a vs AI game just to see how red-pot jungle tiger-dyr would work; it turned out pretty good. First 2 buff clear speed is insane; you probably actually don't even need to pop pot; till 2nd buff. The idea is you secure your own buff first; then invade the other side buff; and because of silly strong level 2 tiger udyr is; you should be able to 1v1 any jungler or midlaner that comes and tries to interrupt your jungle. The idea sort of stemmed from Diamond's insistence on getting early dblades after machete; and the S2 tryndamere pot start jungle.
liftlift > tsm
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:27:09
July 15 2013 02:25 GMT
#1582
On July 15 2013 11:22 TheYango wrote:
This is straying dangerously close to a discussion about how much a support actually cares about having gp10--which I will shy away from due to subforum rules, but will note that I respectfully disagree.

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 11:21 Seuss wrote:
Even terrible players occasionally remember their Zhonya's and feel good about it.

Or sometimes they just make Youtube videos about using Zhonya's in inappropriate situations as a taunt.


Yeah I know you think GP10 is an evil evil thing. It probably is, but it's sort of the world we live in, as it were.

I don't know that we're getting much out of this discussion anyway. I basically agree with you, I'm just saying I don't think Riot is going to be making many more 1k gold items and I'm trying to explain why I think they won't. I think they're much more likely to shoot for the 1.5-2k range, which would still be small enough to make them slot inefficient for other roles.

Ruby Sightstone is 1.5k, incidentally.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
July 15 2013 02:26 GMT
#1583
On July 15 2013 11:10 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 11:06 MattBarry wrote:
On July 15 2013 10:45 TheYango wrote:
On July 15 2013 10:32 Ketara wrote:
I doubt Riot is likely to make items with actives but no stats.

Flask, Sightstone

I think it's misleading to call flask an active

Why?

Lower level players forget to pop their pots/flasks in trades all the time, which is the exact same thing as what Ketara is saying about them not using item actives.

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On July 15 2013 11:09 Ketara wrote:
I doubt many people fail to ever use Flask, and I think it's pretty misleading to say Sightstone doesn't have stats.

Sightstone provides pretty much the amount of stats you could put on a ~1k gold support active item. I don't see why Sightstone is a poor comparison.

For example, by cost, Shard of True Ice's active is worth ~350 gold. You could easily put this onto a 1k gold support active item, and still have room to add combat stats onto it--but instead Riot chose to put it on an unwieldy combination of Kage and Mana Manipulator.

Man, if Shard of True Ice built out of a Kindlegem instead, I'd get that shit ALL THE TIME.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:30:25
July 15 2013 02:28 GMT
#1584
It's kind of funny because I actually hate Sightstone in particular because I think free vision is one of the worst things that you can give at such a low cost, but the fundamental idea of the item, if applied to other active support items, is good.

They should just swap the active item effects of Sightstone and Shard.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 05:07:24
July 15 2013 02:29 GMT
#1585
Make some Doran's-style items for support.

Super cost efficient, moderately slot efficient, dead end.

Or maybe have them but with some ridiculously cost prohibitive upgrade. Maybe introduce some weird consumables and actives as well.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 15 2013 02:29 GMT
#1586
Dude if Shard was Kage's+Kindlegem+350g active for 45 AP, 200 HP, 10% CDR at 1965 gold, that would be some pro tier shit on supports.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 15 2013 02:31 GMT
#1587
Or you just ditch the Kage and the AP, make it cost 1200 gold, and call it a day.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 15 2013 02:32 GMT
#1588
But then it wouldn't be blue anymore and the art division would complain.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
July 15 2013 02:32 GMT
#1589
Or, you know, that would suck because for the same price and similar stats Locket is currently so superior.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:34:45
July 15 2013 02:33 GMT
#1590
On July 15 2013 11:32 Alaric wrote:
Or, you know, that would suck because for the same price and similar stats Locket is currently so superior.


You're so 10 pages late to this conversation Alaric. Remember back where the current Locket is being removed from the game?

Does Alaric's post mean I win the internet argument since I said you can't make these support items till you nerf Locket like they're doing? I want it to mean that.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:35:21
July 15 2013 02:34 GMT
#1591
Actually, at 1965 gold with those stats and that recipe, I think melee/short-range APs like Rumble would be more likely to buy it as a cheaper Rylai's to use on themselves than supports.

On July 15 2013 11:33 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 11:32 Alaric wrote:
Or, you know, that would suck because for the same price and similar stats Locket is currently so superior.


You're so 10 pages late to this conversation Alaric. Remember back where the current Locket is being removed from the game?

Does Alaric's post mean I win the internet argument since I said you can't make these support items till you nerf Locket like they're doing? I want it to mean that.

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a sarcastic jab at you.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
July 15 2013 02:35 GMT
#1592
On July 15 2013 11:34 TheYango wrote:
Actually, at 1965 gold with those stats and that recipe, I think melee/short-range APs like Rumble would be more likely to buy it as a cheaper Rylai's to use on themselves than supports.

Show nested quote +
On July 15 2013 11:33 Ketara wrote:
On July 15 2013 11:32 Alaric wrote:
Or, you know, that would suck because for the same price and similar stats Locket is currently so superior.


You're so 10 pages late to this conversation Alaric. Remember back where the current Locket is being removed from the game?

Does Alaric's post mean I win the internet argument since I said you can't make these support items till you nerf Locket like they're doing? I want it to mean that.

I'm pretty sure it's supposed to be a sarcastic jab at you.


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I have lost the internet argument.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 15 2013 02:42 GMT
#1593
Stop making Kindlegem items. Its too good as it is.

Honestly, I'd like to see a Philo Stone item that just eliminates the Regen stats entirely and gives something useful. Like If they rebalanced Shurelias + Made an item out of Philo that Just gave flat movespeed + a slowing active that was ground targeted.
Freeeeeeedom
SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 15 2013 02:44 GMT
#1594
They could make items give larger aura's or bonus stats if you have no bonus ad/ap from items. That way they will be pretty shitty for anyone that isn't a support, and you can give supports items that are good without worrying about other lanes buying them.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:47:59
July 15 2013 02:47 GMT
#1595
Yeah I've wondered about having an AP item for supports that did something like:

Gives 80 AP

Unique Passive: -10 AP for every 100 AP you have.

so that it's only cost efficient if it's your only AP item. Then maybe put an active on it or whatever.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 02:49:46
July 15 2013 02:49 GMT
#1596
On July 15 2013 11:47 Ketara wrote:
Yeah I've wondered about having an AP item for supports that did something like:

Gives 80 AP

Unique Passive: -10 AP for every 100 AP you have.

so that it's only cost efficient if it's your only AP item.

Riot would never fucking implement that. They don't like the idea of "taking" things away from players.

A cool idea would be scaling mana regen based on # of people around you.
So it'd be like mana manipulator except more mana regen aura based on # of allies and enemies nearby.
liftlift > tsm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 03:00:23
July 15 2013 02:58 GMT
#1597
Not to mention that would potentially have some overly powerful interactions with MPen-based builds, which fundamentally don't buy that much AP, so would still benefit from the item's absurd cost-effectiveness.

It wouldn't be a support item, it'd be an all-in item for and AP with high base damage and an early power spike.

Also, just as a nitpicking point, you couldn't possibly allow that to be a unique passive, because it would mean that if you stacked 3 of them, you'd only get the -AP from one of them, LOL.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 15 2013 03:00 GMT
#1598
On July 15 2013 11:58 TheYango wrote:
Not to mention that would potentially have some overly powerful interactions with MPen-based builds, which fundamentally don't buy that much AP, so would still benefit from the item's absurd cost-effectiveness.

It wouldn't be a support item, it'd be an all-in item for and AP with high base damage and an early power spike.

It would probably end up like Haunting guize towards end of season 2.
liftlift > tsm
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
July 15 2013 03:01 GMT
#1599
Evo just made me so excited for S3 Worlds.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 03:02:42
July 15 2013 03:01 GMT
#1600
On July 15 2013 11:58 TheYango wrote:
Not to mention that would potentially have some overly powerful interactions with MPen-based builds, which fundamentally don't buy that much AP, so would still benefit from the item's absurd cost-effectiveness.

It wouldn't be a support item, it'd be an all-in item for and AP with high base damage and an early power spike.

Also, just as a nitpicking point, you couldn't possibly allow that to be a unique passive, because it would mean that if you stacked 3 of them, you'd only get the -AP from one of them, LOL.


Clearly this idea has some problems.

Re: Evo, I watched the end of the Smash Bros tournament, it really looked like some intense shit. Fighting games are pretty cool.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
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