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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
On July 14 2013 16:13 gtrsrs wrote: yeah, he works for EA now also he's a hella nice guy, that's another case where i don't understand why someone gets as much hate as they do. marcou's a beast. Oh ok I just remembered seeing him post on LoL forums sometime back and saw that he still had a riot badge so I just assumed he was still there. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
There are 2 circumstances when I have problems. 1) I force a guy out of lane. I either kill him or just harassed him to the point where they feel they have to go back. Usually I go back right away. Sometimes I feel this is the wrong choice because If I stay, I never got the advantage in farm over him because I went out at the same time. However, I feel that if he comes back and has item advantage, then I might get forced out with a gank or someting and lose my tower. 2) Stalmate lanes. Sometimes we are farming for days, and I never know how to go back without losing tower (or at the very very least losing an advantage in farm. How do I know when to back in top lane? | ||
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Nikon
Bulgaria5710 Posts
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Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On July 14 2013 14:21 gtrsrs wrote: we went to a brazillian grill called uhhhh fogo de chao? they just walk by with slabs of meat and say "do you want this steak?" "do you want this filet mignon?" "do you want this sausage?" and you say yes, yes, a thousand times yes. and it's endless. my stomach is literally full of meat right now. it was incredible. everyone is in like a food coma right now. we also got personalized bags (well... the players did  the managers just got blank bags haha) and water bottles. riot is suuuuuuuuuch a good company holy shit. they treat the players really wellFogo de Chao? ffffffff I'm jealous. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On July 14 2013 16:29 Nikon wrote: Can anybody give me a short summary on popular picks nowadays? I haven't played in a long while and I'm looking to update my champ pool somewhat. top/mid: kennen ryze jayce tf zed kha6 elise jungle: elise eve leesin nunu bot: basicly everything idk probably forgot some so yeah | ||
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RagequitBM
Canada2270 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
A lot of things come into play. 1)What is your health? How's your wave clear? Is your jungler there? Where is the enemy jungler? How is the wave pushing? Generally if your jungler is there; you can almost always get away with shoving the lane into the enemy turret, and denying a wave or 2 of gold/xp. What I like doing is shoving out the lane straight into the tower, and then backing right after. Also depends on your goal in the game; if you're a good roamer, you might elect to down the turret, so you can have roaming strength. And backing right after they show up, is a good choice, if they don't have insane wave clear; you can often get back in lane before they shove back into your turret. 2) stalemate lanes. Stay in lane until they back; or ask for gank. Even if gank is unsuccessful you can create enough pressure to shove your lane into their turret; and if they don't have a good enough wave clear you'll be back in your own turret before the creep wave gets there. @nikon top lane: kennen, zac, ryze, zed, jayce, elise midlane: orianna, karthus, kennen, tf, ahri, zed, jayce jungle: zac, nasus, nunu, sej, noct, elise, ree sin support: thresh, nami, lulu, janna, sona, fiddlesticks adc: vayne, varus, caitlyn, ez | ||
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 14 2013 16:57 Neverhood wrote: Just played liss for the first time on my smurf. She's feels so amazing, 1v1 isn't that great since her burst isn't that high but she has great laning, decent roam and exceptional teamfighting. Haven't seen koreans play her yet but I'm sure it won't take long for them to abuse her. Lissandra's 1v2 potential is pretty good; she farms it out pretty well. | ||
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Neverhood
United States5388 Posts
On July 14 2013 17:00 wei2coolman wrote: Lissandra's 1v2 potential is pretty good; she farms it out pretty well. Yea I can definitely see her as a great pick for a long lane with her aoe root and escape. Gonna spam her for a day or two and test out some builds. What mana items are good on her? Last game I went chalice but I'm thinking double doran into zhonya would be more optimal. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On July 14 2013 16:13 gtrsrs wrote: yeah, he works for EA now also he's a hella nice guy, that's another case where i don't understand why someone gets as much hate as they do. marcou's a beast. The way I understand it, Marcou got a lot of hate because his handling of esports was completely abysmal during his time at Riot. I don't doubt that he's a nice guy though. | ||
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Inflexion
Canada560 Posts
On July 14 2013 16:25 Arisen wrote: So, I asked a while ago about top lane mechanics, but I never got a response. I have problems knowing when to recall. There are some champions where it's pretty obvious when you should recall the first time because you need an item ASAP (tear, for instance). However, in other circumstances, I have no idea when to back. There are 2 circumstances when I have problems. 1) I force a guy out of lane. I either kill him or just harassed him to the point where they feel they have to go back. Usually I go back right away. Sometimes I feel this is the wrong choice because If I stay, I never got the advantage in farm over him because I went out at the same time. However, I feel that if he comes back and has item advantage, then I might get forced out with a gank or someting and lose my tower. 2) Stalmate lanes. Sometimes we are farming for days, and I never know how to go back without losing tower (or at the very very least losing an advantage in farm. How do I know when to back in top lane? There are a number of factors that contribute to when your decision to back is. 1) If you force the guy out of lane a) you killed him solo (without jungle support) - depending on how much hp you have/what level you are, almost in all cases you want to shove to their tower as soon as possible (using all CDs (except long CD ultimates)/mana). This way, when you return to lane, your opponent will have missed CS AND the lane will either reset or be pushing towards you. If you have low hp (low enough that their jungler can solo you), you must determine where their jungler is. If they are on bot side, away from you, shove as fast as possible and then back. But if you don't know where he is, then just back right after you get the kill (you must get a ward on your return and place it because if your creeps don't reach his tower, then he will be able to freeze on you when he returns to lane). b) you/jungler gank killed him - ask your jungler to shove the lane with you to the tower, once your own ranged creeps get within tower range, you can back. Also, if you guys shoved really fast, you can proxy to the next wave as long as there is no threat of their jungler/mid roam coming to kill you. c) harassed him out of lane - this is where you must make a judgement call about backing or not. Basically, it comes down to, if you back after he does, by the time you get back into lane, will the lane be reset or pushing back towards you? Is he able to freeze it? If he backed early enough and you backed but your creeps don't reach his tower, he will get into lane and should freeze it on you. Thus, forcing you to ward AND play on their side of the map. Otherwise, if you warded properly, just shove to the tower. If the jungler comes and is dumb enough to fight you while you are relatively healthy, you will shit on him because you have creep advantage. What should happen is their jungler should go to their tower and farm (aka cover) to protect the tower and just get exp/gold while their laner is backed and not there anyways. Basically, all the decisions you will be making will be dependent on your warding. If you are able to keep a ward up at all times, you will be able to make the correct decision when to back because you'll know exactly when the jungler is coming. 2) Stalemate lanes a) if the lane is being farmed in the middle (neutral), then just don't back, eventually, a jungler will come to gank. Just hope that it is yours so after you kill them, both of you can shove to their tower b) if it is a farm lane, where both of you are shoving and the lanes are pushing back and forth, you just might as well back once you shoved to their tower so when you return to lane the minion wave will be at your tower and he will back. That's how stalemates should work out. You push to his tower, you back. He pushes to your tower, he backs. This is only generally speaking. There are a lot of factors which go into when to back. The best is probably to watch pro top laners play on their stream (Voyboy, Dyrus, etc). Some champions you can afford to push harder and back once at their tower due to their kit (more escape skills, etc). Or some champions (as long as you ward), don't need to back once you shoved to their tower, as you can continue to harass them under their tower (jayce/kennen/nidalee/etc vs melee). But the most important thing, is to determine where their jungler is. And to do that, you must ward. | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 14 2013 18:06 wussleeQ wrote: BOTRK Hydra on khaz is amazing. The two items really have a lot of synergy together for any sort of character that can roam well and gives amazing wave clear. Just putting this out there Why BotRK on khaziks? Hydra I can understand; since they took a lot of his insta waveclear; but botrk? | ||
yamato77
11589 Posts
On July 14 2013 18:06 wussleeQ wrote: BOTRK Hydra on khaz is amazing. The two items really have a lot of synergy together for any sort of character that can roam well and gives amazing wave clear. Just putting this out there Those items would be better suited for Lee Sin, with his passive-enhanced autos and low waveclear than Kha, who already has waveclear with evolved W and rarely autoattacks. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
Negative: I dont see any negative on this the fact that some ability might have to be re-tweak to balance out the ability to manual control your unit but it only increase the skill cap of the game but not by much since your only going to be microing not too many unit. Might turn away new comer? maybe? | ||
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wussleeQ
United States3130 Posts
On July 14 2013 18:13 wei2coolman wrote: Why BotRK on khaziks? Hydra I can understand; since they took a lot of his insta waveclear; but botrk? botrk gives attackspeed to make hydra clear even faster (this is actually really huge imo), gives him some extra burst and also helps in ganks while he roams. basically, does borkt things. he'll have tons of lifesteal which comes more into play as he autos more frequently as well. also, the attack speed goes incredibly well when splitpushing. you take down towers extremely quickly while also clearing waves insanely fast On July 14 2013 18:16 yamato77 wrote: Those items would be better suited for Lee Sin, with his passive-enhanced autos and low waveclear than Kha, who already has waveclear with evolved W and rarely autoattacks. honestly, feel like W sucks. QER evolutions with R-Q-E-W skilling are much better especially with this playstyle and nerfs on manamune | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 14 2013 18:24 wussleeQ wrote: botrk gives attackspeed to make hydra clear even faster (this is actually really huge imo), gives him some extra burst and also helps in ganks while he roams. basically, does borkt things. he'll have tons of lifesteal which comes more into play as he autos more frequently as well. also, the attack speed goes incredibly well when splitpushing. you take down towers extremely quickly while also clearing waves insanely fast honestly, feel like W sucks. QER evolutions with R-Q-E-W skilling are much better especially with this playstyle and nerfs on manamune I think 1 W and 1 attack + hydra cleave should be enough for any wave. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
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Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
On July 14 2013 19:09 UniversalSnip wrote: hotshot plz start streaming again i miss u http://op.gg/progamer/pro/ check this out | ||
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