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Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
July 14 2013 03:46 GMT
#1341
On July 14 2013 12:36 sob3k wrote:
What happened to XJ9?

I think he got perma banned
Jaedong :D
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
July 14 2013 03:50 GMT
#1342
On July 14 2013 12:31 Ketara wrote:
I hope there's a patch in two weeks that nerfs Vayne.

I hope I hope I hope I hope.

I don't even play bot lane much I'm just tired of seeing her alllllllllllllllllll the time and I'm tired of playing other lanes and watching a Vayne go 5/0 in bot and just feeling hopeless.

Honestly, when the only AD that's more popular than Vayne right now is her best counter, I don't think we're that ready for a nerf yet.

After Caitlyn gets the nerfhammer, though, all hell is gonna break loose.
Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
July 14 2013 04:04 GMT
#1343
I would have thought that Draven was her biggest counter, even with the nerf.
CUTE MAKES RIGHT
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 14 2013 04:07 GMT
#1344
On July 14 2013 13:04 Dark_Chill wrote:
I would have thought that Draven was her biggest counter, even with the nerf.

Not very knowledgeable in the matchup; but I'm guessing post-6 vayne wins that match up pretty hard; because she can disrupt the axe catching with her condem (whether or not she gets the stun); and her ulti+tumble mechanic should make it very hard for draven to hit the ulti.
liftlift > tsm
Shotcoder
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States2316 Posts
July 14 2013 04:13 GMT
#1345
Draven Cait and Mf are all pretty big Vayne counters. simply because their front end damage is so high. MF usually doesnt even need her ult to finish vayne off, Cait and draven should be more than obvious.
Shotcoder - C+ BW Terran, Gold LoL(ADC Main)
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 04:59:32
July 14 2013 04:26 GMT
#1346
On July 14 2013 13:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:04 Dark_Chill wrote:
I would have thought that Draven was her biggest counter, even with the nerf.

Not very knowledgeable in the matchup; but I'm guessing post-6 vayne wins that match up pretty hard; because she can disrupt the axe catching with her condem (whether or not she gets the stun); and her ulti+tumble mechanic should make it very hard for draven to hit the ulti.

Honestly? Dependent on the support, but Vayne vs. Draven is lopsided enough to make a Vayne player hate life. Draven can keep up 2 axes (+Q) in lane if he plays it well, and Vayne just gets boned by the damage. No need to catch axes during a fight/trade (though it helps). Ulti helps her somewhat post-6, but it's pretty bad. Draven just outdamages her early/mid game heavily (even after the passive nerf on Draven, he still bullies her in lane). Sure, she can knock back Draven to disrupt an axe, but after that, Draven catches up to her, and crushes her with teh dmgz. And just landing even 1 hit of the R (and both isn't out of the question, because she doesn't have enough MS early without Bork and boots-2 to reliably dodge, and CD on Q is too high to tumble after using it once) means a level 6 brawl is lost.

Once you get to the late-mid/late game, and assuming equal items, Vayne should be able to outduel Draven (if played to her fullest), but getting to that stage at an equal footing is difficult at best. Cait shuts Vayne down as well, but eh, Draven's definitely up there.

But on Vayne in general, meh. MUs increasingly depend upon the support, but Vayne's matchups with most ADCs are pretty bad still, and it's very possible to shut her down with proper picks in other lanes/team comps, even if she gets fed. Graves can still shuts her down pretty hard in the lane phase/mid game, Ashe, dependent on support, shits on Vayne in lane as well (the question ofc is whether or not Ashe can survive vs Vayne's team), MF is the third massive Vayne counter, etc., and Cait honestly doesn't seem likely for nerfs, and even so, it won't be an Olaf treatment. It'd be something like -5MS or somesuch. Either way, I don't see that MU changing.

Not saying she isn't good (because she is), but she has a great deal of tradeoffs that make her pretty balanced in the environment of ADCs.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 14 2013 04:33 GMT
#1347
On July 14 2013 13:07 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:04 Dark_Chill wrote:
I would have thought that Draven was her biggest counter, even with the nerf.

Not very knowledgeable in the matchup; but I'm guessing post-6 vayne wins that match up pretty hard; because she can disrupt the axe catching with her condem (whether or not she gets the stun); and her ulti+tumble mechanic should make it very hard for draven to hit the ulti.

Draven don't need to catch axe to shit on Vayne post-6. 2 spining axe in the face and Vayne will drop half hp already. ulti+tumble is cute and all, but unless Vayne gets some items up, Draven will still own her.
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
July 14 2013 04:41 GMT
#1348
On July 14 2013 12:46 Neverhood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 12:36 sob3k wrote:
What happened to XJ9?

I think he got perma banned


Was made an example of what -not- to do. Perma banned all of his accounts for boosting.
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gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 14 2013 04:44 GMT
#1349
Don't worry about jayce guys. The pro player conference was today and I asked them to remove jayce and kennen from the game and they said okay.

I also got to see upcoming champs and skins and of course I can't say anything except the quality of champs and skins just keeps rising and rising. There are a bunch of absolutely must-buy skins coming up
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
July 14 2013 04:45 GMT
#1350
On July 14 2013 13:44 gtrsrs wrote:
Don't worry about jayce guys. The pro player conference was today and I asked them to remove jayce and kennen from the game and they said okay.

I also got to see upcoming champs and skins and of course I can't say anything except the quality of champs and skins just keeps rising and rising. There are a bunch of absolutely must-buy skins coming up


PLEASE DON'T SAY THAT I'VE SPENT OVER $500 ON THIS FREE GAME ALREADY.
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1godless
Profile Joined August 2011
United States247 Posts
July 14 2013 04:52 GMT
#1351
So does anyone else find the 5 second rage quit timer to be helpful. It has stopped me so many times from impulsively quitting even when I know it's not morally right or even a smart decision (we can win in the long run). I'm just looking for other people who have similar thoughts. You can't just be all, "fuck it" unless you force quit of something. Do other games have this? What do you guys think...
The enemy's throne is down
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 14 2013 05:02 GMT
#1352
Ahh, of course Gambit figured out how to abuse Aatrox.
Freeeeeeedom
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
July 14 2013 05:03 GMT
#1353
nice im waiting for an excuse to spend money for some next level kawaii sugoi desu skin
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 05:12:49
July 14 2013 05:08 GMT
#1354
On July 14 2013 13:44 gtrsrs wrote:
Don't worry about jayce guys. The pro player conference was today and I asked them to remove jayce and kennen from the game and they said okay.

I also got to see upcoming champs and skins and of course I can't say anything except the quality of champs and skins just keeps rising and rising. There are a bunch of absolutely must-buy skins coming up

But what about getting rid of Zed! D:

But srs, considering the progression of skins from how they first were back when League was released (compare old Goth Annie to Spirit Guard Udyr), I'm not surprised.The art has come a long way (also longer development cycles and experience, I'm assuming).

On July 14 2013 14:02 cLutZ wrote:
Ahh, of course Gambit figured out how to abuse Aatrox.

I hate that champ, possibly even more then I hate Zed. On top of the ridiculous lifesteal at sub-1/2th health, his passive makes him frustrating beyond belief.

On a side note, I'd place him in the Irelia category for Fiora matchups (i.e. bullied easily early, will start slapping around Fiora around level 9-ish because fking on-hits/lifesteal if not shut down early).
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 14 2013 05:09 GMT
#1355
On July 14 2013 13:44 gtrsrs wrote:
Don't worry about jayce guys. The pro player conference was today and I asked them to remove jayce and kennen from the game and they said okay.

I also got to see upcoming champs and skins and of course I can't say anything except the quality of champs and skins just keeps rising and rising. There are a bunch of absolutely must-buy skins coming up

How was the dinner? Saw all the pro player twitter posts about it.
liftlift > tsm
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
July 14 2013 05:10 GMT
#1356
Does anyone have a level 30 account I can have? :3
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
July 14 2013 05:11 GMT
#1357
On July 14 2013 14:02 cLutZ wrote:
Ahh, of course Gambit figured out how to abuse Aatrox.

Watching this game now. Shit like this is what makes me want to buy the Gambit icon.

Was the pick really legal?
twitch.tv/waveofshadow ||| Winner of AHGL's So You Think You Can Cast! ||| Juicy Dad for lyfe ||| 'idk i get a kick out of stupid things' - Jarms Yarng
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-14 05:12:43
July 14 2013 05:12 GMT
#1358
On July 14 2013 14:10 IMoperator wrote:
Does anyone have a level 30 account I can have? :3

So it can get banned? nope.
On July 14 2013 14:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 14:02 cLutZ wrote:
Ahh, of course Gambit figured out how to abuse Aatrox.

Watching this game now. Shit like this is what makes me want to buy the Gambit icon.

Was the pick really legal?

Aatrox didn't really do much for Gambit; other than making it hard for Darien to feed cuz of passive.
liftlift > tsm
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
July 14 2013 05:12 GMT
#1359
On July 14 2013 14:10 IMoperator wrote:
Does anyone have a level 30 account I can have? :3


Sure, only $800 and it's yours.
Hey! How you doin'?
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
July 14 2013 05:21 GMT
#1360
On July 14 2013 14:09 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2013 13:44 gtrsrs wrote:
Don't worry about jayce guys. The pro player conference was today and I asked them to remove jayce and kennen from the game and they said okay.

I also got to see upcoming champs and skins and of course I can't say anything except the quality of champs and skins just keeps rising and rising. There are a bunch of absolutely must-buy skins coming up

How was the dinner? Saw all the pro player twitter posts about it.


we went to a brazillian grill called uhhhh fogo de chao? they just walk by with slabs of meat and say "do you want this steak?" "do you want this filet mignon?" "do you want this sausage?" and you say yes, yes, a thousand times yes. and it's endless. my stomach is literally full of meat right now. it was incredible.

everyone is in like a food coma right now. we also got personalized bags (well... the players did the managers just got blank bags haha) and water bottles. riot is suuuuuuuuuch a good company holy shit. they treat the players really well
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
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