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On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start.
Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp.
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On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp.
Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good.
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On July 14 2013 09:31 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp. Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good.
Yeah, makes sense. I didn't think you could have a realistic clear w/o those masteries.
I just really liked having the arpen on Nasus. I guess since you are running a real gank/utility oriented Nasus (I prefer the farming version), you're playing basically with a different mindset. Most players go with the lategame tank Q9000 Nasus, but you're looking for something that is a little less tanky but is potentially stronger early on but with the potential to still have Q9000 later on.
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On July 14 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:31 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp. Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good. Yeah, makes sense. I didn't think you could have a realistic clear w/o those masteries. I just really liked having the arpen on Nasus. I guess since you are running a real gank/utility oriented Nasus (I prefer the farming version), you're playing basically with a different mindset. Most players go with the lategame tank Q9000 Nasus, but you're looking for something that is a little less tanky but is potentially stronger early on but with the potential to still have Q9000 later on.
Yea I prefer strong utility and strong early and mid game. Idk if it's the "meta" or just how games are in low Gold, but I think I have had 2-3 six item super late games in the last 50-75 games or so. Most games are really one sided and over by mid game, with the majority being over with the /ff at 20 mins.
Been trying it on Maokai too (387 MS lvl 1), I liked the early strong ganks from S2, and if you can even top the 50ms difference no boots provided it seems worth it to get the MS. Feels like you have ghost on all the time vs people without boots.
Edit: There is for sure some junglers that 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 are better on like J4, but I think this has a potential to be a really cool and effective style.
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On July 14 2013 09:37 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:31 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp. Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good. Yeah, makes sense. I didn't think you could have a realistic clear w/o those masteries. I just really liked having the arpen on Nasus. I guess since you are running a real gank/utility oriented Nasus (I prefer the farming version), you're playing basically with a different mindset. Most players go with the lategame tank Q9000 Nasus, but you're looking for something that is a little less tanky but is potentially stronger early on but with the potential to still have Q9000 later on. Yea I prefer strong utility and strong early and mid game. Idk if it's the "meta" or just how games are in low Gold, but I think I have had 2-3 six item super late games in the last 50-75 games or so. Most games are really one sided and over by mid game, with the majority being over with the /ff at 20 mins. Been trying it on Maokai too (387 MS lvl 1), I liked the early strong ganks from S2, and if you can even top the 50ms difference no boots provided it seems worth it to get the MS. Feels like you have ghost on all the time vs people without boots. Edit: There is for sure some junglers that 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 are better on like J4, but I think this has a potential to be a really cool and effective style.
Do you use MS Quints too?
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On July 14 2013 09:57 c.Deadly wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:37 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:31 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp. Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good. Yeah, makes sense. I didn't think you could have a realistic clear w/o those masteries. I just really liked having the arpen on Nasus. I guess since you are running a real gank/utility oriented Nasus (I prefer the farming version), you're playing basically with a different mindset. Most players go with the lategame tank Q9000 Nasus, but you're looking for something that is a little less tanky but is potentially stronger early on but with the potential to still have Q9000 later on. Yea I prefer strong utility and strong early and mid game. Idk if it's the "meta" or just how games are in low Gold, but I think I have had 2-3 six item super late games in the last 50-75 games or so. Most games are really one sided and over by mid game, with the majority being over with the /ff at 20 mins. Been trying it on Maokai too (387 MS lvl 1), I liked the early strong ganks from S2, and if you can even top the 50ms difference no boots provided it seems worth it to get the MS. Feels like you have ghost on all the time vs people without boots. Edit: There is for sure some junglers that 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 are better on like J4, but I think this has a potential to be a really cool and effective style. Do you use MS Quints too?
Yes
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For a minute, I thought MS Quints was part of the Microsoft Office suite.
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On July 14 2013 10:18 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 09:57 c.Deadly wrote:On July 14 2013 09:37 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:31 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp. Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good. Yeah, makes sense. I didn't think you could have a realistic clear w/o those masteries. I just really liked having the arpen on Nasus. I guess since you are running a real gank/utility oriented Nasus (I prefer the farming version), you're playing basically with a different mindset. Most players go with the lategame tank Q9000 Nasus, but you're looking for something that is a little less tanky but is potentially stronger early on but with the potential to still have Q9000 later on. Yea I prefer strong utility and strong early and mid game. Idk if it's the "meta" or just how games are in low Gold, but I think I have had 2-3 six item super late games in the last 50-75 games or so. Most games are really one sided and over by mid game, with the majority being over with the /ff at 20 mins. Been trying it on Maokai too (387 MS lvl 1), I liked the early strong ganks from S2, and if you can even top the 50ms difference no boots provided it seems worth it to get the MS. Feels like you have ghost on all the time vs people without boots. Edit: There is for sure some junglers that 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 are better on like J4, but I think this has a potential to be a really cool and effective style. Do you use MS Quints too? Yes
Are the quints required for this to be worth it?
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FXO vs Aware starting in EPS NA - http://www.twitch.tv/NESL_LoL
It's silly how a tournament with similar teams, similar casters and a larger prize pool than MCS gets 10 times less attention due to poor promotion.
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On July 14 2013 11:05 Terranasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 10:18 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:57 c.Deadly wrote:On July 14 2013 09:37 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:31 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp. Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good. Yeah, makes sense. I didn't think you could have a realistic clear w/o those masteries. I just really liked having the arpen on Nasus. I guess since you are running a real gank/utility oriented Nasus (I prefer the farming version), you're playing basically with a different mindset. Most players go with the lategame tank Q9000 Nasus, but you're looking for something that is a little less tanky but is potentially stronger early on but with the potential to still have Q9000 later on. Yea I prefer strong utility and strong early and mid game. Idk if it's the "meta" or just how games are in low Gold, but I think I have had 2-3 six item super late games in the last 50-75 games or so. Most games are really one sided and over by mid game, with the majority being over with the /ff at 20 mins. Been trying it on Maokai too (387 MS lvl 1), I liked the early strong ganks from S2, and if you can even top the 50ms difference no boots provided it seems worth it to get the MS. Feels like you have ghost on all the time vs people without boots. Edit: There is for sure some junglers that 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 are better on like J4, but I think this has a potential to be a really cool and effective style. Do you use MS Quints too? Yes Are the quints required for this to be worth it?
Probably depends on the jungler. For example on Nasus you have 403 with and 386 without so you could likely skip it. Mao is 387 with MS so probably would be too low to skip them. I pretty much run MS quints on every jungler as is however, it's actually not a deviation.
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On July 14 2013 11:10 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2013 11:05 Terranasaur wrote:On July 14 2013 10:18 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:57 c.Deadly wrote:On July 14 2013 09:37 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:34 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:31 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:28 ticklishmusic wrote:On July 14 2013 09:26 Diamond wrote:On July 14 2013 09:25 ticklishmusic wrote:
How does not taking tough skin/ bladed armor affect Nasus? I still take those. 0/9/21. 4% in CDR blues for 10% CDR start. Oh, for some reason I thought you went 9/0/21, derp. Nah, tough skin/bladed armor/durability too good. Yeah, makes sense. I didn't think you could have a realistic clear w/o those masteries. I just really liked having the arpen on Nasus. I guess since you are running a real gank/utility oriented Nasus (I prefer the farming version), you're playing basically with a different mindset. Most players go with the lategame tank Q9000 Nasus, but you're looking for something that is a little less tanky but is potentially stronger early on but with the potential to still have Q9000 later on. Yea I prefer strong utility and strong early and mid game. Idk if it's the "meta" or just how games are in low Gold, but I think I have had 2-3 six item super late games in the last 50-75 games or so. Most games are really one sided and over by mid game, with the majority being over with the /ff at 20 mins. Been trying it on Maokai too (387 MS lvl 1), I liked the early strong ganks from S2, and if you can even top the 50ms difference no boots provided it seems worth it to get the MS. Feels like you have ghost on all the time vs people without boots. Edit: There is for sure some junglers that 9/21/0 or 0/21/9 are better on like J4, but I think this has a potential to be a really cool and effective style. Do you use MS Quints too? Yes Are the quints required for this to be worth it? Probably depends on the jungler. For example on Nasus you have 403 with and 386 without so you could likely skip it. Mao is 387 with MS so probably would be too low to skip them. I pretty much run MS quints on every jungler as is however, it's actually not a deviation.
Jannaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
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I'd really like somebody to explain to me how Vayne has a bad laning phase. I'm not seeing it.
She seems like such a ridiculous champion right now. Closing on 40% pick rate in solo queue too, it's getting pretty absurd.
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On July 14 2013 09:01 Diamond wrote:Shamelessly reposting this, hoping to get some discussion but got buried earlier by the balance talk haha. Show nested quote +So I have been messing around with the Trick2g boots+4pots/21 utility jungle opening. I like it a lot. I used to run 21 utility back in early S3 and always thought it was the optimal way to jungle. So many good jungle stats in that tree. What I was always missing was the early game which boots solves. Has anyone else been working on this, curious what you think? I think it's the best way to jungle, it's pretty damn easy to get 50+ more MS than ur opps which is the S2 Boots vs No Boots advantage. Been mainly playing with Nasus and Maokai while testing this out.
Here's an example from a game I played yesterday (blind pick T_T) of move speeds at lvl 1+original buy and how much of an advantage I had in speed. The (X) numbers are the advantage difference. Also the other Nasus had 21 utility (no boots opening) and Teemo opened boots.
My Team
Nasus (Me) - 403 MS
Teemo - 360 MS (+43)
Soraka - 347 MS (+56)
Rengar - 345 MS (+58)
Zed - 345 MS (+58)
Enemy Team
Nasus (not me) - 365 MS (+38)
Xerath - 340 MS (+63)
Malphite - 335 MS (+68)
Vayne - 330 MS (+73)
Thresh - 335 MS (+68)
The early ganks are BRUTAL with that much of a MS difference, would really love to hear more thoughts on it however.
Level 2 Xin ganks are terror with boots + MS opening, it's pretty much a guaranteed kill when you can gapclose on them after a flash without burning anything.
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On July 14 2013 12:22 Ketara wrote:
I'd really like somebody to explain to me how Vayne has a bad laning phase. I'm not seeing it.
She seems like such a ridiculous champion right now. Closing on 40% pick rate in solo queue too, it's getting pretty absurd.
Her range and lack of pure damage/harass skills are pretty big...
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Vayne's laning phase is not terrible because they nerfed every champ that makes laning painful. Draven, Cait, Varus all used to be able to absolutely crap on her. Now they are just slightly better.
Its like nerfing every popular support and then wondering why Janna is becoming popular again.
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I hope there's a patch in two weeks that nerfs Vayne.
I hope I hope I hope I hope.
I don't even play bot lane much I'm just tired of seeing her alllllllllllllllllll the time and I'm tired of playing other lanes and watching a Vayne go 5/0 in bot and just feeling hopeless.
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If a vayne is getting fed in the early game, you have much bigger problems then a fed vayne. At the end of the game, a fed vayne doesn't exist anymore, but how a vayne gets fed early game is clearly a problem players take from game to game.
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On July 14 2013 12:31 Ketara wrote:
I hope there's a patch in two weeks that nerfs Vayne.
I hope I hope I hope I hope.
I don't even play bot lane much I'm just tired of seeing her alllllllllllllllllll the time and I'm tired of playing other lanes and watching a Vayne go 5/0 in bot and just feeling hopeless.
I feel like Vayne is like Shaco; every vayne you get is complete shit. All the vayne's on the enemy team are godlike.
So silly~.
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Dude Shaco is SO like that, it's uncanny.
I did have a good Shaco today though. He was Korean. Boxes name.
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