New spirit visage is way too strong for a measly increase in price. Probably the best individual MR item for a non ADC. I don't see them keeping it like that. The CDR is too valuable to also give a ton of HP and MR.
The new banshees is a nice chance since it incentivizes more non-mana champs to buy it now since it (probably) won't need a catalyst build up. 90 hp over 10 s when hit by any champ is pretty solid for defending towers from poke.
I like the Spellbreaker item since it seems to be a more defense-oriented build path for hexdrinker. It seems like a good top lane item for tanks if you don't want/need mercs for laning phase and need another option for tenacity. Although the 20% crit chance is completely random to throw onto it.
ADCs will like the new Randuins if it goes through.

saddaromma

1129 Posts

July 10 2013 04:25 GMT

#123

any hint when rengar will be reworked?

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

July 10 2013 04:27 GMT

#124

On July 10 2013 13:25 saddaromma wrote:
any hint when rengar will be reworked?

With his recent pro play, people are actually playing him properly now. They might drop working on him.

FSKi

United States901 Posts

July 10 2013 04:35 GMT

#125

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ticklishmusic

United States15977 Posts

July 10 2013 04:44 GMT

#126

I missed you FoN. Time to bust out the Chogath again.

Man, no one builds Frozen Heart. It might be because, yknow, Randuin's is a superior choice in about 90% of situations. Having both go through the Warden's Mail build path doesn't work.

Cubu

1171 Posts

July 10 2013 04:58 GMT

#127

omg, i cant believe they nerfed jayce, and a hard one at that. Seriously do they not know the difference between a strong champion and an OP one.

Ryuu314

United States12679 Posts

July 10 2013 04:59 GMT

#128

On July 10 2013 13:58 Cubu wrote:
omg, i cant believe they nerfed jayce, and a hard one at that. Seriously do they not know the difference between a strong champion and an OP one.

Well...Lee Sin was kinda in the same place and they nerfed him too. I want Riot to buff all champions to pre-nerf Lee Sin/Jayce level, but that's not Riot's balancing philosophy and that's fine.

Compared to other champions, Jayce was heads and shoulders above them. A nerf was a long time coming.

Gahlo

United States35174 Posts

July 10 2013 05:00 GMT

#129

New veil stealth nerf to Ryze.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

July 10 2013 05:03 GMT

#130

Well, Jayce was a purple ban, blue side leaving him open type of deal, just like Nunu. He had the strongest lvl1 in the game, which I am not sure is true still. He was the 2nd best mid and lategame poke champ and the best (Nidalee) is terrible at everything else. He could both mid and long lane, was one of the best laners both 1v1 and 1v2. Teamfights against Jayce were super scary too because his team could follow up to almost anything thanks to his E. He destroyed tanks alongside his AD carry because he applied 5 BC stacks just with his ranged W.
It's fine when champion is good at everything, but you have a problem when he is THE VERY BEST at everything.

buffing everything to lee sin/jayce level doesn't even make sense. They weren't strong at one particular thing, they were the best at everything, if you buff everyone else to their level nothing happens.

BlueBird.

United States3890 Posts

July 10 2013 05:03 GMT

#131

Is there a link to all this info on the mr items?

justiceknight

Singapore5741 Posts

July 10 2013 05:08 GMT

#132

tonight 1900KST wil be taiwan worlds qualifier and i gonna watch how the new TPA scrub hue

Amui

Canada10567 Posts

July 10 2013 05:09 GMT

#133

Spectre's cowl is going to be one ridiculous item against AP champs who attempt to wear you down. 1350 to hard counter harass based AP's.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21245 Posts

July 10 2013 05:10 GMT

#134

it's stupid easy to get MR already why the fuck are they adding more mr that's dumb as hell

TheYango

United States47024 Posts

July 10 2013 05:10 GMT

#135

On July 10 2013 14:03 Scip wrote:
buffing everything to lee sin/jayce level doesn't even make sense. They weren't strong at one particular thing, they were the best at everything, if you buff everyone else to their level nothing happens.

I mean it does, in that you can still have powerful-but-lopsided kits. It's just that Riot tends not to do that because their typical MO is buffing a champ's weaknesses and nerfing a champ's strengths, which is why when champs are overtuned, they're too good at everything.

For example, Lee Sin didn't have the be the all-rounder he is/was if Riot didn't choose to hotfix him by trivializing his energy management by buffing his passive's energy restore, and his ratios. They could have easily used the same kit to create a lopsided champ with high base damage values, mobility, and combo potential but limited by prohibitive energy regeneration and weak ratios.

Carnivorous Sheep

Baa?21245 Posts

July 10 2013 05:13 GMT

#136

basically, if we delete lee sin and jayce, this game would be a better place

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

July 10 2013 05:13 GMT

#137

Draven nerfs are stupid imo; he was perfectly fine. People just qq too much about lane. He's very definition of win lane lose game.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

July 10 2013 05:13 GMT

#138

Lucian's visuals, voice, and animations are pretty slick. Still a shame about the kit.

His ult looks less good that I thought. It's a cool idea, but hitting things with it looks to be a complete pain in the ass.

Cubu

1171 Posts

July 10 2013 05:14 GMT

#139

i wouldn't call jayce best at everything. His poke is pretty strong (dmg wise nidalee has best poke, but it's too easy to dodge to call it best poke) but looking at his other abilities, they are just so-so. i mean w isn't really used that often apart from stacking tear, knockback is ok in the early phase. The point is, apart from q+e combo, all his other spells start to get useless late game. Plus there is also that weakness of being a glass cannon and bad attack range. So it's really frustrating to see such a hard nerf to that combo. I'm sure no one is gonna bother using q alone so that q movement increase is kinda redundant.

Scip

Czech Republic11293 Posts

July 10 2013 05:14 GMT

#140

On July 10 2013 14:10 TheYango wrote:

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So you would buff AND rework everyone else. Would you then rework Jayce and Lee Sin afterwards too to make their kits more lopsided or would you leave them as jack-of-all-trades?

^^ what? the reason why Jayce 1v1s AD carries in the lategame all the time is because of his insane burst from range W into melee Q+E. All of the abilities apart from melee E still remain just as useful as they were in the midgame. Not like it matters, given that his E and Q already gives him one of the best kits in the game.