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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 03:46:11
July 10 2013 03:45 GMT
#101
On July 10 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Whoa they're going nuts with the MR a little bit here....like....I know people were complaining about a lack of MR sources but this seems like overkill. Plus I'm pretty sure Xypherous mentioned that he didn't think new MR sources needed to be added to the game...?

Apparently he was overruled. Unless these turn out to be ARAM only items again like Orb of Winter.

Edit: New Spirit Visage seems pretty bonkers.
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WilDMousE
Profile Joined July 2011
Chile1335 Posts
July 10 2013 03:45 GMT
#102
On July 10 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Whoa they're going nuts with the MR a little bit here....like....I know people were complaining about a lack of MR sources but this seems like overkill. Plus I'm pretty sure Xypherous mentioned that he didn't think new MR sources needed to be added to the game...?

the new crit dagger looks so strong for AD's it's a bit worrying, same with the spirit visage, the bonuses are a bit stronger than what I would expect D:
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Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 03:47:14
July 10 2013 03:45 GMT
#103
On July 10 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Whoa they're going nuts with the MR a little bit here....like....I know people were complaining about a lack of MR sources but this seems like overkill. Plus I'm pretty sure Xypherous mentioned that he didn't think new MR sources needed to be added to the game...?

The new health regen items look like they're designed for aram once again.

Edit: although the new Spirit Visage is pretty much FoN
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
July 10 2013 03:46 GMT
#104
On July 10 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Whoa they're going nuts with the MR a little bit here....like....I know people were complaining about a lack of MR sources but this seems like overkill. Plus I'm pretty sure Xypherous mentioned that he didn't think new MR sources needed to be added to the game...?

He said he didn't want to put FoN back in the game and would look at MR itemization for 3.10
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 10 2013 03:47 GMT
#105
On July 10 2013 12:46 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Whoa they're going nuts with the MR a little bit here....like....I know people were complaining about a lack of MR sources but this seems like overkill. Plus I'm pretty sure Xypherous mentioned that he didn't think new MR sources needed to be added to the game...?

He said he didn't want to put FoN back in the game and would look at MR itemization for 3.10

I hate they removed FoN, really was one of my favorite items.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
July 10 2013 03:47 GMT
#106
On July 10 2013 11:14 onlywonderboy wrote:
Damn, they went through with lowering the mana costs on Brand's kit but didn't change it so it his ult priorities champs even if not ablaze. I guess that would have made him pretty strong.
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 08:24 Neverhood wrote:
Ugh that oracle change and more bonus gold for killing wards. Vision control gonna be back to its season 2 state.

I'd take that over the overabundance of wards we have now. Since GP10 in the Jungle really isn't a thing anymore they'll still have to do more than just build GP10/Moba boots/Oracles.

If they did that, anytime brand would get ganked at 6 would be true terror lol
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 10 2013 03:48 GMT
#107
Those aren't thresh nerfs. Those are let's change his numbers and hope people think he's balanced afterwards changes. Nothing short of giving thresh's q the same mana cost of blitz q, and that mana cost on his e is going to make me stop banning him. Or give him 0 armor at lvl 1, that might work.

Blitz is rather balanced, I just don't want people losing when they play russian roulette. Most blitz I've seen have lost the game because his hook isn't nearly as game changing as it used to be. Blitz is balanced around being melee. The fuck they are doing with thresh, I have no idea.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 03:52:29
July 10 2013 03:49 GMT
#108
On July 10 2013 12:45 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Whoa they're going nuts with the MR a little bit here....like....I know people were complaining about a lack of MR sources but this seems like overkill. Plus I'm pretty sure Xypherous mentioned that he didn't think new MR sources needed to be added to the game...?

The new health regen items look like they're designed for aram once again.

Edit: although the new Spirit Visage is pretty much FoN

I think the cowl is supposed to build into Banshee's Veil.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 10 2013 03:50 GMT
#109
On July 10 2013 12:48 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Those aren't thresh nerfs. Those are let's change his numbers and hope people think he's balanced afterwards changes. Nothing short of giving thresh's q the same mana cost of blitz q, and that mana cost on his e is going to make me stop banning him. Or give him 0 armor at lvl 1, that might work.

Blitz is rather balanced, I just don't want people losing when they play russian roulette. Most blitz I've seen have lost the game because his hook isn't nearly as game changing as it used to be. Blitz is balanced around being melee. The fuck they are doing with thresh, I have no idea.

That would be wayyy overkill. Pretty sure he'd be useless then. Have to wait until like .. alot of souls to do anything, they'd have to give him armor per level if he started at 0 imo.
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Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 03:55:03
July 10 2013 03:53 GMT
#110
Holy shit that banshee's passive. Real anti-poke item now.

And that SV buff.

Fuck yeah MR items.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
July 10 2013 03:54 GMT
#111
Also, GA finally getting turned into Nega-Mail recipe.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 10 2013 03:56 GMT
#112
Was confused by Spellbreaker till I realized it probably is just another build path option for Hexdrinker.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
July 10 2013 03:57 GMT
#113
Is it sad I get a lot more excited for item changes than champions?
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
July 10 2013 03:58 GMT
#114
On July 10 2013 12:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Whoa they're going nuts with the MR a little bit here....like....I know people were complaining about a lack of MR sources but this seems like overkill. Plus I'm pretty sure Xypherous mentioned that he didn't think new MR sources needed to be added to the game...?


I'm pretty sure those MR items are test items for ARAM and maybe Dominon
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 10 2013 03:59 GMT
#115
Not really. New champions are cool, but item changes generally have a much bigger impact on the meta/generate more interesting discussion.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 10 2013 04:02 GMT
#116
I thought bulwark was the MR item cure-all?
liftlift > tsm
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
July 10 2013 04:03 GMT
#117
I don't think this is actually the Lucian patch, he was just revealed, and champions always take at least 2 weeks, up to 5 or 6 weeks before actually being released.

Unless there's something I missed :p
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
July 10 2013 04:06 GMT
#118
New MR item seems to make it easier for tanky bruisers to handle Kennen and Elise in lane. As a Kennen player, this saddens me, but it's probably an objectively positive change.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35160 Posts
July 10 2013 04:09 GMT
#119
On July 10 2013 13:02 wei2coolman wrote:
I thought bulwark was the MR item cure-all?

Once you build bulwark, not much else to get for mage deterrence that isn't niche or Warmogs.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 10 2013 04:14 GMT
#120
On July 10 2013 13:09 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 10 2013 13:02 wei2coolman wrote:
I thought bulwark was the MR item cure-all?

Once you build bulwark, not much else to get for mage deterrence that isn't niche or Warmogs.

Sunfire cape and randuins are pretty good items for it too.
liftlift > tsm
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