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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 27 2013 04:42 GMT
#5861
On July 27 2013 13:18 MoonBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 13:04 cLutZ wrote:
On July 27 2013 12:35 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 27 2013 10:37 cLutZ wrote:
On July 27 2013 10:21 vvSiegvv wrote:
Is a priority 1 melee carry what Riot is working on in regards to the melee carry itemization changes they keep mentioning? I just keep hearing they are working on changing the nature of melee carries, but never really hear any actual changes or what the overall intent behind them is.


I don't think the high damage Melle Carry is going to be a thing. Basically, if you had a Teamfight Tryndamere (i.e. a similar champ that was as good at teamfighting as he is at splitpushing) said champion would have to be so incredibly weak to make up for the lategame power, that Riot would never make such a champion.

You mean other than Poppy? haha


Honestly, I don't think I have ever seen the mythical Poppy lategame.

Maybe like Pre-Vayne (the first patch I kinda recall) there was one. But IDK.



Looks like she is a pretty strong assassin there. Probably stronger than the modern assassins. But its not like Poppy was slaughtering frontline champs which is what we are talking about here.
Freeeeeeedom
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
July 27 2013 04:42 GMT
#5862
Just had a game in Gold where we ran a 2v1 mid and ran the tower push strat, worked amazingly, was too funny. Snowballed the game so hard, wish more people would try shit like that in lower elo's.
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thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 27 2013 05:07 GMT
#5863
On July 27 2013 11:53 TheLink wrote:
If they make AD yi a thing again I'm pretty sure everyones going to remember just how frustrating backdoor yi is. Sometimes a champion gets nerfed into oblivion for a reason. Splitpushing is one thing but when a champion can straight up backdoor...

Yi's W is being changed to a % damage reduction that is less effective vs. towers, so his (true) backdooring potential should be lessened.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
July 27 2013 05:09 GMT
#5864
Doublelift only DFG and lichbane in that clip too, it's not like that's "lategame poppy". 6 item AP poppy will destroy anything in a Ult + DFG > e+q combo. Anything.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 27 2013 05:14 GMT
#5865
On July 27 2013 14:09 zodde wrote:
Doublelift only DFG and lichbane in that clip too, it's not like that's "lategame poppy". 6 item AP poppy will destroy anything in a Ult + DFG > e+q combo. Anything.

Not like it matters; Ahri does the same thing now; except from safer range.
liftlift > tsm
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 27 2013 05:41 GMT
#5866
On July 27 2013 14:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 14:09 zodde wrote:
Doublelift only DFG and lichbane in that clip too, it's not like that's "lategame poppy". 6 item AP poppy will destroy anything in a Ult + DFG > e+q combo. Anything.

Not like it matters; Ahri does the same thing now; except from safer range.


In what world does ahri do 2k damage in a second? o.o;
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 27 2013 05:46 GMT
#5867
On July 27 2013 14:41 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 14:14 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 27 2013 14:09 zodde wrote:
Doublelift only DFG and lichbane in that clip too, it's not like that's "lategame poppy". 6 item AP poppy will destroy anything in a Ult + DFG > e+q combo. Anything.

Not like it matters; Ahri does the same thing now; except from safer range.


In what world does ahri do 2k damage in a second? o.o;

When Faker and Misaya play it.
liftlift > tsm
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
July 27 2013 06:01 GMT
#5868
On July 27 2013 14:14 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 14:09 zodde wrote:
Doublelift only DFG and lichbane in that clip too, it's not like that's "lategame poppy". 6 item AP poppy will destroy anything in a Ult + DFG > e+q combo. Anything.

Not like it matters; Ahri does the same thing now; except from safer range.


Faker mostly oneshot the support zyra in his recent Ahri game. AP poppy with the same amount of gold could oneshot pretty much anyone if she got the E into a wall.

Luckily, getting 6 items on Poppy is nigh impossible and even if it wasn't, games rarely go long enough for 6 item builds to matter.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
July 27 2013 06:08 GMT
#5869
has anyone here had good success at casinos? i'm considering trying to learn how to count cards for blackjack, but not sure if there's anything else i should learn to have a better chance and have some more fun
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
July 27 2013 06:11 GMT
#5870
On July 27 2013 15:08 Navi wrote:
has anyone here had good success at casinos? i'm considering trying to learn how to count cards for blackjack, but not sure if there's anything else i should learn to have a better chance and have some more fun


Not really worth

Blackjack decks at casinos use like 6 decks together, so counting cards is kind of useless. There's several ways to do it still, but what counting cards boils down to is making your odds of winning increase to just over 50%. It's a very marginal increase for a lot of work.
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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 27 2013 06:16 GMT
#5871
Lol wth did GP5's stack back then? Poppy with double Philo's.

Damn the game looked different back then O_o
Forever Young
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-27 06:27:37
July 27 2013 06:26 GMT
#5872
I'd definitely be up for some funs EU IHs :-)
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
July 27 2013 06:26 GMT
#5873
On July 27 2013 15:16 sung_moon wrote:
Lol wth did GP5's stack back then? Poppy with double Philo's.

Damn the game looked different back then O_o


Yep they did. And heart of gold not only was still in the game but gave armor + hp. People would stack like 1-2 philos + 1-3 HoG's and basically still kill stuff yet have this retarded amount of gold income. Poppy with like 2-3 philos + hog basically was a brick wall you couldn't harass out of lane due to retarded regen + her dumb passive.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
July 27 2013 06:30 GMT
#5874
On July 27 2013 15:11 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 15:08 Navi wrote:
has anyone here had good success at casinos? i'm considering trying to learn how to count cards for blackjack, but not sure if there's anything else i should learn to have a better chance and have some more fun


Not really worth

Blackjack decks at casinos use like 6 decks together, so counting cards is kind of useless. There's several ways to do it still, but what counting cards boils down to is making your odds of winning increase to just over 50%. It's a very marginal increase for a lot of work.


mm, sounds fun though >:3

thanks for the advice!
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 27 2013 06:30 GMT
#5875
On July 27 2013 15:08 Navi wrote:
has anyone here had good success at casinos? i'm considering trying to learn how to count cards for blackjack, but not sure if there's anything else i should learn to have a better chance and have some more fun

Not worth counting cards.Casino's mostly have multi decks; the only place that has single deck black jack is VIP tables or at clubs. You're far better off just memorizing the table.
liftlift > tsm
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
July 27 2013 06:33 GMT
#5876
triple HOG mummy into sunfire cape, Idk exactly who on TL recommended that build to me, but it was the best thing ever
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
July 27 2013 06:42 GMT
#5877
On July 27 2013 15:33 BlueBird. wrote:
triple HOG mummy into sunfire cape, Idk exactly who on TL recommended that build to me, but it was the best thing ever

I liked the boots + 5hog alistar
into ghostblade into triforce into iedge into warmogs into guardian angel
good times
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 27 2013 06:43 GMT
#5878
On July 27 2013 15:42 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2013 15:33 BlueBird. wrote:
triple HOG mummy into sunfire cape, Idk exactly who on TL recommended that build to me, but it was the best thing ever

I liked the boots + 5hog alistar
into ghostblade into triforce into iedge into warmogs into guardian angel
good times

Any build was viable back in the days when you could stack HoG. Would solve 1v2 lanes. hue.
liftlift > tsm
Lmui
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada6223 Posts
July 27 2013 06:50 GMT
#5879
Hmm. I went on PBE to try Lucian and thoughts so far:

His passive/Q: It's actually pretty mediocre in lane early on in a trade, only really good as harass. I thought that you could do something similar to MF's doubleup or Ez Q and just fill space between autoattacks to trade but he feels really slow with the channel on the skill. I would auto+Q and then sit there for a second waiting for the next double autoattack to come out. If they ran while Q was charging, I'd just not get the autos off at all and only get the Q to hit at best.

It starts feeling really good around the 1.5+ AS range though where you just churn out double autoattacks before turning on your ultimate. Had blue buff and that actually felt really natural since I'd be able to AA>Q>AA>W>AA>AA>Q with Q on a ~4s cd. A no-crit AD+CDR build (Modified blue build) seems like it might actually work better than a traditional AD carry build since he probably can get more muramana procs than ezreal can.

W: 40 ms isn't all that much. It's not really enough to catch up if you W>AA>Q for the last AA against most champions. I'm not even sure it's really worth the one point given that it's weaker than sivir's passive.

E: Plays like graves E initially but with some tweaks. The use cases seem obvious but ulting to kill someone and Eing before the person dies to select another target for the ulti so that you have E back up instantly is so satisfying since you have two near instant jumps.

R: As good as it was theorycrafted to be initially, the AP ratio got gimped and the AD ratio didn't go up to compensate. There's a decent chance of doing more damage with just a bit of CDR + Q + Passive and saving the culling to clean up fights by abusing the chase with E rather than dealing damage during a fight. Interesting thing is that at level 16, it's on the same cooldown as lux ulti meaning if you use it at the beginning of a fight, it's very close to being back up at the end of it.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
July 27 2013 07:18 GMT
#5880
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