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On July 27 2013 07:31 Nemireck wrote:
I think a big problem with this discussion is that a large portion of people want to control the "meta" (I really hate this term to describe what is actually simply "prevailing strategy"), while another portion understands that the meta is an ever-changing phenomenon whereby a strategy comes along that counters the prevailing one, and in turn opens up the opportunity for a new strategy to be formed that will allow counter play to the new, prevailing strategy.
It was mentioned, I think by Req, that "Oh, this 2v1 thing came along and that wasn't really a big thing, and I guess now there's the double-adc comp coming out, but that's a small change too..." But think about that for a minute... We've gone from (and yes, I'm generalizing here for the sake of illustrating a point) Top Bruiser/Mid AP/Jung AP or Utility Bruiser/Supp+Adc Bot, a strong tactic, to seeing 2v1, turret rush lanes to counter that strategy, which has opened up the ability to have a second Adc in the mid lane. If this 2Adc strategy takes a firm grasp on the meta, we'll then see team compositions that are designed specifically to counter that which will add more variation once again.
The meta evolves, and will continue to do so whether Riot puts their hand into the pot and stirs things up a bit, or whether they let it simmer and stew and slowly bring all the flavour together on its own.
That's kind of stretching. It's the same comps with the same farm priority and the same characters aside from seeing some ADs mid.
When was the last time you saw a roaming support? A squishy jungler? Hell, an assassin who wasn't Zed/Kha(/Diana if you want to call her an assassin)? What happened to AP/Support lanes, or double bruiser lanes? You can say, "Well, they have counters", or "Well, they just don't work as well as the current environment", but at least it'd be different, you know?
Again, I'm not advocating changing everything, I have no problem with the current situation. I just don't see a reason why there can't be anything else, and why a lot of different things seem to get shut down before they can come to fruition.
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I wonder how many supports they go through before getting a new AD.
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Afaik Genja is their analyst/thoerycrafter, so quite a lot.
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Better buy 3 doran blades and tear.
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We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA
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On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA
EU is for Dota, NA is for League... if I lived in EU, I'd play Dota o_o
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On July 27 2013 08:32 XilDarkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU is for Dota, NA is for League... if I lived in EU, I'd play Dota o_o
Every post you make is rageworthy, are you trolling the entire time or something?
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On July 27 2013 08:32 XilDarkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU is for Dota, NA is for League... if I lived in EU, I'd play Dota o_o
LoL EU always had better viewer count than any dota 2 tournament.
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On July 27 2013 08:32 XilDarkz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU is for Dota, NA is for League... if I lived in EU, I'd play Dota o_o
Why are you even here.
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They should make Alistar Headbutt a skill shot. Just sayin.
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On July 27 2013 08:52 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:32 XilDarkz wrote:On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU is for Dota, NA is for League... if I lived in EU, I'd play Dota o_o Why are you even here.
Dota in NA is virtually non-existent
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On July 27 2013 08:43 Capped wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:32 XilDarkz wrote:On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU is for Dota, NA is for League... if I lived in EU, I'd play Dota o_o Every post you make is rageworthy, are you trolling the entire time or something?
Dis guy was major troll back in SC2 when I still played that; the Diamond+ chatroom was his cesspool.
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On July 27 2013 09:07 upperbound wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:43 Capped wrote:On July 27 2013 08:32 XilDarkz wrote:On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU is for Dota, NA is for League... if I lived in EU, I'd play Dota o_o Every post you make is rageworthy, are you trolling the entire time or something? Dis guy was major troll back in SC2 when I still played that; the Diamond+ chatroom was his cesspool.
? I never, ever trolled SC2 or hung out in any chatrooms or topics. Most of my posts on TL have been in this thread actually.
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On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA
EU was insanely active in playing IH, even when NA stopped. You obviously missed those. And its good that you did. Weren't all that fun cause some people took it too seriously while others were trying to have fun.
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On July 27 2013 09:08 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU was insanely active in playing IH, even when NA stopped. You obviously missed those. And its good that you did. Weren't all that fun cause some people took it too seriously while others were trying to have fun.
The majority of people in the recent discussion want it to be 100% serious, for learning, not just fun troll-games like I'm sure you're talking about where the Platinum-Diamond players go Heimerdinger mid against the seriously playing Silvers.
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On July 27 2013 09:08 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU was insanely active in playing IH, even when NA stopped. You obviously missed those. And its good that you did. Weren't all that fun cause some people took it too seriously while others were trying to have fun.
Probably HD. I wouldn't recommend anyone to play with him.
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I feel like somehow, there rarely are 10 people wanting to play "normals" at the same time these days...
^ HD was often raging at my ksing Nunu support I think lol
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On July 27 2013 09:08 SHr3DD3r wrote:Show nested quote +On July 27 2013 08:25 Capped wrote:
We need an EU staff member who is willing to organise stuff like TLIH and shit, Its a shame all the awesome stuffs happens for NA EU was insanely active in playing IH, even when NA stopped. You obviously missed those. And its good that you did. Weren't all that fun cause some people took it too seriously while others were trying to have fun.
This even happened when NA made LiquidPractice with the intention of having inhouses where we tried to get better, but we'd have a weird split between silver/gold people trying to get better, plat/diamond people trying to get better but not really trying to help their opponent get better, and people who just wanted to dick around. Basically came down to the problem that we just couldn't get a cohesive group of 10 people together that had similar goals. And TROLLS would get 10stacks showing up when it was newer (and Monte was more active instead of being super busy), but now we mostly are relegated to doing normals with 5 to try out our new shit.
@Requizen: We see "squishy junglers" every time someone (Nk Inc, many koreans) pick Evelynn jungle. We see roaming supports pretty heavily when theres a 2v1 swap and the support roams at level 1 to help their jungler invade the opposing jungler's 2nd buff camp. Just because you're a roaming support doesn't mean you NEVER sit in a lane to get some exp.
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On July 27 2013 09:13 -Zoda- wrote:
I feel like somehow, there rarely are 10 people wanting to play "normals" at the same time these days...
^ HD was often raging at my ksing Nunu support I think lol
how it worked in TLHoN back in the day is that we would start one, and people would come and get their friends online at the time to come too, that quickly adds up
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So what's the "standard" idea for blue ez build now? I backed off from it for awhile and played it in a game earlier where I realized I wasn't sure what to get anymore. I did dblade > tear> elder > manamune > gauntlet > LW > BT and it just seemed like with the elder in there it took me too long to ramp up and be effective. I know blue ez has a long build up time but this time it seemed longer then what I remembered.
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