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On July 25 2013 14:51 TheYango wrote:
I mean, it DOES give Ez the option to stall for lategame in games where he should...
But since when does it ever make sense for Ezzy to stall for lategame against Vayne of all people.
Such a crappy Ez build order.
Whitezz looking brilliant early on; now he put on his throwing pants.
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On July 25 2013 14:23 wei2coolman wrote:
What patch is this? 3.8 or 3.9?
3.8, we just got 3.9 on china live servers yesterday.
On July 25 2013 14:49 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 14:48 Zdrastochye wrote:On July 25 2013 14:46 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 14:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
I'm probably the last person to find out about this, but why do the asian clients have different font than EU/NA/etc clients.
And is there any way I could change my NA client to use that nice big ol' font? The nature of written Asian language; Need different font to fit all the details of Mandarin and Hangul. Even just the numbers? I think it's a continuity thing. Also; that zhonya's timing from Whitez was Bjergson tier. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 14:48 cLutZ wrote:
This ez build...I don't get it. You basically say you give up until tear gets full. At this rate; I just want Riot to remove Ez from pro play so we don't have to see any more of this shittastic blue build. DO NOTHING TIL 40 MIN MARK.
I used to laugh about Ez blue build being terrible too, but then I played against the mechanically strong ez's who can carry a game hard with it, and I have a lot of respect for it now. It's very strong in-game.
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From Reddit:
It's almost 40 degree in the event, the air condition is as bad as non existing. The fatboys of iG(zitai and Kid) can not perform their very best level at this weather. And Zitai has claimed he suffered heatstroke since he enter the stadium. (on his QQ twitter)
iGOtto is a young rookie at 17, very good solo que player. His favourite heroes are someone like Nidalee, Riven(both he has the rights to claim best in CHinese server) and Jayce. He likes to build offensive items on every hero(included Olaf with Black Cleaver to start). So it is quite hard for him to transform to a full tank Jarvan. I admit he's not up to the very best level of Chinese Top Laners yet but he certainly has the potential to be there.
This is not their best game of course, but at any other better day, they could perform better without doubt.
Sounds like pretty bad conditions to be playing in.....
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On July 25 2013 14:54 Vanka wrote:3.8, we just got 3.9 on china live servers yesterday. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 14:49 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 14:48 Zdrastochye wrote:On July 25 2013 14:46 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 14:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
I'm probably the last person to find out about this, but why do the asian clients have different font than EU/NA/etc clients.
And is there any way I could change my NA client to use that nice big ol' font? The nature of written Asian language; Need different font to fit all the details of Mandarin and Hangul. Even just the numbers? I think it's a continuity thing. Also; that zhonya's timing from Whitez was Bjergson tier. On July 25 2013 14:48 cLutZ wrote:
This ez build...I don't get it. You basically say you give up until tear gets full. At this rate; I just want Riot to remove Ez from pro play so we don't have to see any more of this shittastic blue build. DO NOTHING TIL 40 MIN MARK. I used to laugh about Ez blue build being terrible too, but then I played against the mechanically strong ez's who can carry a game hard with it, and I have a lot of respect for it now. It's very strong in-game.
I'm not saying blue build is bad; but pro players' blue build is so shit; they give up SOOOOOOOO MUCH early game and midgame power; going Tears first into IBG. BT first is almost always best on blue build Ez.
God; these chinese games looking like some sort of mechanically top tier version of solo queue games.
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Not exactly League-related but I can relate to that shit.
Been to a Fighting Game tournament a few years ago at some dude's house in the summer where literally anything that could of went wrong did. I literally saw someones plexiglass on his arcade stick start to slowly wane form the heat/humidity. No AC/fans at all in the house, 98F/35C weather, in a hot steamy house full of people who fucking smelled like shit (and even those who didn't started to exhibit it).
Whats worse was the TO claimed that someone stole from the tournament pot prize despite being "heavily guarded". The guy started blaming the anime players/Melee group despite them being in a different room/floor.
Kind of reminded me of Flash/JD with the blackout/cold temperature in terms of competitively playing something in shitty conditions.
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On July 25 2013 14:55 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 14:54 Vanka wrote:On July 25 2013 14:23 wei2coolman wrote:
What patch is this? 3.8 or 3.9? 3.8, we just got 3.9 on china live servers yesterday. On July 25 2013 14:49 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 14:48 Zdrastochye wrote:On July 25 2013 14:46 wei2coolman wrote:On July 25 2013 14:45 Zdrastochye wrote:
I'm probably the last person to find out about this, but why do the asian clients have different font than EU/NA/etc clients.
And is there any way I could change my NA client to use that nice big ol' font? The nature of written Asian language; Need different font to fit all the details of Mandarin and Hangul. Even just the numbers? I think it's a continuity thing. Also; that zhonya's timing from Whitez was Bjergson tier. On July 25 2013 14:48 cLutZ wrote:
This ez build...I don't get it. You basically say you give up until tear gets full. At this rate; I just want Riot to remove Ez from pro play so we don't have to see any more of this shittastic blue build. DO NOTHING TIL 40 MIN MARK. I used to laugh about Ez blue build being terrible too, but then I played against the mechanically strong ez's who can carry a game hard with it, and I have a lot of respect for it now. It's very strong in-game. I'm not saying blue build is bad; but pro players' blue build is so shit; they give up SOOOOOOOO MUCH early game and midgame power; going Tears first into IBG. BT first is almost always best on blue build Ez. God; these chinese games looking like some sort of mechanically top tier version of solo queue games.
Now you know what chinese solo queue games look like XD.
I think you guys in general underestimate the ultility/CDR of iceborne. Sure BT will do more damage, but how is BT going to saving you against zac elise and especially kassidin? With Iceborne CDR you actually are close to kass mobility, plus the kiting potential, and staying alive that way will help far more than dying immediately. It's like buying a negatron before your lw, sure you're useless against the tanks for a good while, but at least you're alive longer.
But ez lost anyway, so welp
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BT first is almost always best on blue build Ez.
Well I don't necessarily agree with that either.
The main thing that bothers me are the a lot of variations and situational factors that should be applied to the blue build (particularly, the IBG is very much optional given that the driving force behind the build is how strong Muramana is in the first place), but lots of times pros just end up cookie cutter-ing into the default Tear->Gauntlet->Muramana route.
On July 25 2013 15:01 Vanka wrote:
I think you guys in general underestimate the ultility/CDR of iceborne. Sure BT will do more damage, but how is BT going to saving you against zac elise and especially kassidin? With Iceborne CDR you actually are close to kass mobility, plus the kiting potential, and staying alive that way will help far more than dying immediately. It's like buying a negatron before your lw, sure you're useless against the tanks for a good while, but at least you're alive longer.
I don't underestimate it, there are just virtually zero items that are good every game, and your build should be tailored to the development of the game so if players are playing the same build with the same item path every game, they're doing something wrong.
There are honestly probably Muramana+Triforce variations that nobody has ever explored because everyone is obsessed with trying to fit the IBG version into every game.
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On July 25 2013 15:02 TheYango wrote:Well I don't necessarily agree with that either. The main thing that bothers me are the a lot of variations and situational factors that should be applied to the blue build (particularly, the IBG is very much optional given that the driving force behind the build is how strong Muramana is in the first place), but lots of times pros just end up cookie cutter-ing into the default Tear->Gauntlet->Muramana route. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 15:01 Vanka wrote:
I think you guys in general underestimate the ultility/CDR of iceborne. Sure BT will do more damage, but how is BT going to saving you against zac elise and especially kassidin? With Iceborne CDR you actually are close to kass mobility, plus the kiting potential, and staying alive that way will help far more than dying immediately. It's like buying a negatron before your lw, sure you're useless against the tanks for a good while, but at least you're alive longer. I don't underestimate it, there are just virtually zero items that are good every game, and your build should be tailored to the development of the game so if players are playing the same build with the same item path every game, they're doing something wrong. There are honestly probably Muramana+Triforce variations that nobody has ever explored because everyone is obsessed with trying to fit the IBG version into every game.
Yango just has a personal hatred of Blue Ez since he rallied so hard against IBG on Ez before Blue Build got popular /hue.
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On July 25 2013 15:02 TheYango wrote:Well I don't necessarily agree with that either. The main thing that bothers me are the a lot of variations and situational factors that should be applied to the blue build (particularly, the IBG is very much optional given that the driving force behind the build is how strong Muramana is in the first place), but lots of times pros just end up cookie cutter-ing into the default Tear->Gauntlet->Muramana route. Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 15:01 Vanka wrote:
I think you guys in general underestimate the ultility/CDR of iceborne. Sure BT will do more damage, but how is BT going to saving you against zac elise and especially kassidin? With Iceborne CDR you actually are close to kass mobility, plus the kiting potential, and staying alive that way will help far more than dying immediately. It's like buying a negatron before your lw, sure you're useless against the tanks for a good while, but at least you're alive longer. I don't underestimate it, there are just virtually zero items that are good every game, and your build should be tailored to the development of the game so if players are playing the same build with the same item path every game, they're doing something wrong.
I don't disagree with Ez's build this game, given the circumstances, but I do agree with that, and if anything China is the server with the best mechanical skill and nowhere near the game knowledge to match. Smart item builds is not what China is known for.
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No, I recognize the power of the Muramana on Ezreal (and in general, the item is really strong right now on champs with kits that can abuse it) and IBG does indeed have good synergy with the item that makes it a lot better than it would be on it's own.
Like I said, people just have an utter lack of foresight making their item choices and tend to be very cookie-cutter about their item selection. It's only really in Korea that I've seen players consistently make the necessary variations to adjust for the nature of the particular game rather than buying the same items over and over.
On July 25 2013 15:06 Vanka wrote:
I don't disagree with Ez's build this game, given the circumstances, but I do agree with that, and if anything China is the server with the best mechanical skill and nowhere near the game knowledge to match. Smart item builds is not what China is known for.
Well that game was just awkward in general given how many times Kid died overall early on and how iG was just pretty behind from the onset. I don't think there were very many alternatives available to Kid regardless.
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On July 25 2013 15:02 TheYango wrote:Well I don't necessarily agree with that either. The main thing that bothers me are the a lot of variations and situational factors that should be applied to the blue build (particularly, the IBG is very much optional given that the driving force behind the build is how strong Muramana is in the first place), but lots of times pros just end up cookie cutter-ing into the default Tear->Gauntlet->Muramana route.
I just don't understand how Doran>Tear>Sheen>IBG>Manamune is even considered "cookie cutter". I understand that liazard was nerfed, so its probably too slot-inefficient for an AD carry now. But you need some damage.
The really sad thing is IG almost got away with it (and won a fight before the manamune power spike) because Royal did a weird extended dive in botlane (which is basically what Blue ez is best against, extended dives) and he turned the fight around cus vayne had to kill the tower.
Gauntlet 1st should be situational and IMO if you ever back with the gold early enough, you buy the BF Sword.
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On July 25 2013 15:07 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2013 15:02 TheYango wrote:BT first is almost always best on blue build Ez. Well I don't necessarily agree with that either. The main thing that bothers me are the a lot of variations and situational factors that should be applied to the blue build (particularly, the IBG is very much optional given that the driving force behind the build is how strong Muramana is in the first place), but lots of times pros just end up cookie cutter-ing into the default Tear->Gauntlet->Muramana route. I just don't understand how Doran>Tear>Sheen>IBG>Manamune is even considered "cookie cutter". I understand that liazard was nerfed, so its probably too slot-inefficient for an AD carry now. But you need some damage. The really sad thing is IG almost got away with it (and won a fight before the manamune power spike) because Royal did a weird extended dive in botlane (which is basically what Blue ez is best against, extended dives) and he turned the fight around cus vayne had to kill the tower. Gauntlet 1st should be situational and IMO if you ever back with the gold early enough, you buy the BF Sword.
I'm surprised we don't see more early Brutalizer pick-ups, seems like a decent pick up early game to replace Elder Lizard.
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Because it doesn't really make sense to pair an item with poor slot-efficiency with a subsequent build that is meant to cede early/midgame control in favor of a large surge in power at your Muramana timing and generally better lategame potential.
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On July 25 2013 15:07 TheYango wrote:
No, I recognize the power of the Muramana on Ezreal (and in general, the item is really strong right now on champs with kits that can abuse it) and IBG does indeed have good synergy with the item that makes it a lot better than it would be on it's own.
Like I said, people just have an utter lack of foresight making their item choices and tend to be very cookie-cutter about their item selection. It's only really in Korea that I've seen players consistently make the necessary variations to adjust for the nature of the particular game rather than buying the same items over and over.
I think early Brutalizer is a good starter item too; if you're wanting to hit the early tears timing as well.
EDIT: SNIPED >.<
I think IBG is a bit over kill most of the time; but the fact that it has 100% proc chance is so strong.
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On July 25 2013 15:13 TheYango wrote:
Because it doesn't really make sense to pair an item with poor slot-efficiency with a subsequent build that is meant to cede early/midgame control in favor of a large surge in power at your Muramana timing and generally better lategame potential.
Guess that makes sense. Were you against Elder Lizard in the build then as well?
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Situational, because pre-nerf Elder Lizard had decent overall slot-efficiency. On its own it was pretty underwhelming, it's just that Elder Lizard paired specifically well with Gauntlet.
Though I still think the item is more abusive with heroes with AoE spells that can apply it more reasonably. Ezzy's kit just isn't that abusive with Elder Lizard.
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On July 25 2013 15:19 TheYango wrote:
Situational, because pre-nerf Elder Lizard had decent overall slot-efficiency. On its own it was pretty underwhelming, it's just that Elder Lizard paired specifically well with Gauntlet.
Though I still think the item is more abusive with heroes with AoE spells that can apply it more reasonably
Guess I underestimated the slot efficiency of Elder Lizard. Also yeah, that's part of what made it a solid pick up on Hec.
Also, went to get food, missed first blood, gg.
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Oh XiaoXiao never change.
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royal gunna need to work on that 3v1 tower dive...
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On July 25 2013 15:21 wei2coolman wrote:
royal gunna need to work on that 3v1 tower dive...
Something about that top lane is really really off. They took so many random tower shots even before deciding they would go in for a tower dive, then messed up the dive.
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