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johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 22 2013 06:08 GMT
#3681
Hey, anyone know what the "+" or "-" number is for lolking score? For example I'm +20.

see here:

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21065541
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
July 22 2013 06:09 GMT
#3682
AP rengar still viable?
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SnK-Arcbound
Profile Joined March 2005
United States4423 Posts
July 22 2013 06:17 GMT
#3683
On July 22 2013 15:08 johnnywup wrote:
Hey, anyone know what the "+" or "-" number is for lolking score? For example I'm +20.

see here:

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21065541

Lolking essentially converts your league and points into ELO based around what the leagues would be ELO wise. You are 20 lolking elo higher on the week.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 06:18:48
July 22 2013 06:18 GMT
#3684
On July 22 2013 14:08 jaybrundage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 14:03 TheYango wrote:
On July 22 2013 13:31 jaybrundage wrote:
I agree with you here. I think part of the problem was that NA wasn't really trying to compete with Azn teams. They just avoided thinking about them and focusing on there NA EU counterparts. But I also think that given time the meta's will collide and a "world meta" will be created. Similar to how the EU meta of adc support spread to become just the normal meta. Given time we won't even call it the world meta it will just be "the meta."

The thing is, once you pass a point of just recognizing what's good in a given version and having the basics of knowing how to draft a coherent team composition (which isn't "meta"--it's just having better game understanding and drafting), there is no common ground that applies to all drafts between all teams. A metagame is driven specifically by the strengths, weaknesses, and playstyles that comprise the teams in it, and no matter how much information teams in different parts of the world share, each team is still limited by the individual strengths, weaknesses, and tendencies of both its individual players, and the team as a whole.

Different teams play the game differently, and even perfectly shared information between all teams would not change this fact because the players themselves aren't perfect--teams would play styles suited to their individual strengths and weaknesses, and as such, teams playing against one another would draft/play in ways specifically tailored to the teams they're playing against.

I agree with you

Wait you edited this I RESCIND MY AGREEMENT TILL I REREAD THE TERMS.

While each team is different and has there strengths and weaknesses there is occasionally cases when one play style will flat out beat the other with out giant misplay. In such cases the team has to overcome there weaknesses in a area to learn new styles, champions, ways of play more or less adapting to the meta or risk being overwhelmed by it. There is also there alternative of trying to mold the meta by doing a new style that beats the trending used style.

So while each team will play differently given there abilities. Sometimes they will have to adapt to gain mastery over a trend that is very strong or risk losing. For instance adc support meta.

If you're talking about a theoretical team from a region where players are competent in all roles at equal level; then yes. This is true.

However, no such team really exists (the closest I can think about it is Vulcun, that's why they're so hard to ban/pick out, they simply have such a large champ pool, that they can play a lot of counter comps without much trouble). In reality you're going to have regions and teams where certain roles or champs are they're just better at; thus creating unique comps or strategies surrounding it.

Look at some of the notable champions people play; for example. NA region's TF is complete and utter trash. No one in NA plays TF competently (except ecco). We all agree TF is universally an amazing fucking pick in an ideal team with players that aren't mentally handicapped. Look at all the NA games where TF is picked; it's almost always a non-factor. Should NA teams keep running TF mid despite the risks? No, their job is to win games, and playing TF isn't doing that. So you end up with a slightly different NA scene from the supposed "world' meta.

Also; look at unique champion picks. Certain players play a certain champ at such a high affinity that teams will create super strong but non common comps. Reference Season 2 CLG.EU

There is no one "playstyle", and it certainly doesn't lead to it's guaranteed victory over another type of "playstyle".
liftlift > tsm
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
July 22 2013 06:24 GMT
#3685
On July 22 2013 15:17 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 15:08 johnnywup wrote:
Hey, anyone know what the "+" or "-" number is for lolking score? For example I'm +20.

see here:

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21065541

Lolking essentially converts your league and points into ELO based around what the leagues would be ELO wise. You are 20 lolking elo higher on the week.

Higher on the week? So I've gained 20 Elo this week basically?
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
July 22 2013 06:34 GMT
#3686
On July 22 2013 15:24 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 15:17 SnK-Arcbound wrote:
On July 22 2013 15:08 johnnywup wrote:
Hey, anyone know what the "+" or "-" number is for lolking score? For example I'm +20.

see here:

http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/21065541

Lolking essentially converts your league and points into ELO based around what the leagues would be ELO wise. You are 20 lolking elo higher on the week.

Higher on the week? So I've gained 20 Elo this week basically?


Yeah you have slightly higher LP than last week in whatever division you are in. Lolking score is only good for looking at what league, division and LP you currently are at, it doesn't say ANYTHING about your real Elo.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
July 22 2013 06:49 GMT
#3687
On July 22 2013 15:09 smOOthMayDie wrote:
AP rengar still viable?

Not since the AP ratio and base damage of Rengar's W was nerfed a shitton. You do way more burst with AD now.

AP Rengar was only viable cause of 255 base damage with 1.0 AP ratio meant that with your ult you'd do a crapton of damage in about a second and there was almost nothing the enemy team could do to stop you unless they had pinks or oracles. Base damage has been cut by over 30% and W also lost 0.2 ratio.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 22 2013 06:58 GMT
#3688
On July 22 2013 15:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 15:09 smOOthMayDie wrote:
AP rengar still viable?

Not since the AP ratio and base damage of Rengar's W was nerfed a shitton. You do way more burst with AD now.

AP Rengar was only viable cause of 255 base damage with 1.0 AP ratio meant that with your ult you'd do a crapton of damage in about a second and there was almost nothing the enemy team could do to stop you unless they had pinks or oracles. Base damage has been cut by over 30% and W also lost 0.2 ratio.

AP Rango was pretty silly.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 22 2013 07:02 GMT
#3689
On July 22 2013 15:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 15:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 22 2013 15:09 smOOthMayDie wrote:
AP rengar still viable?

Not since the AP ratio and base damage of Rengar's W was nerfed a shitton. You do way more burst with AD now.

AP Rengar was only viable cause of 255 base damage with 1.0 AP ratio meant that with your ult you'd do a crapton of damage in about a second and there was almost nothing the enemy team could do to stop you unless they had pinks or oracles. Base damage has been cut by over 30% and W also lost 0.2 ratio.

AP Rango was pretty sillyawesome.

I wonder if Riot was expecting that.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 22 2013 07:05 GMT
#3690
On July 22 2013 16:02 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 15:58 onlywonderboy wrote:
On July 22 2013 15:49 Ryuu314 wrote:
On July 22 2013 15:09 smOOthMayDie wrote:
AP rengar still viable?

Not since the AP ratio and base damage of Rengar's W was nerfed a shitton. You do way more burst with AD now.

AP Rengar was only viable cause of 255 base damage with 1.0 AP ratio meant that with your ult you'd do a crapton of damage in about a second and there was almost nothing the enemy team could do to stop you unless they had pinks or oracles. Base damage has been cut by over 30% and W also lost 0.2 ratio.

AP Rango was pretty sillyawesome.

I wonder if Riot was expecting that.

I stand by silly. I mean, it was certainly no AP Trynd.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 07:16:25
July 22 2013 07:15 GMT
#3691
http://lol.garena.tw/events/20130714_aram/second.php

can any1 translate for me? what prizes can i get by playing what?

google translate sucks lol
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 22 2013 07:16 GMT
#3692
So anyone know why all the LCS players got smurf accounts? Has there been any official statement?
liftlift > tsm
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-22 07:23:48
July 22 2013 07:23 GMT
#3693
On July 22 2013 16:16 wei2coolman wrote:
So anyone know why all the LCS players got smurf accounts? Has there been any official statement?


it's an attempt to collect data over the next few months in an on-going effort to improve super-high-elo streaming experience
^_^

there's no contest first to challenger, no prize money, no elo experiment, basically all the stuff redditors have come up with is off-base, and what i wrote above is 100% accurate
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 22 2013 07:24 GMT
#3694
On July 22 2013 16:23 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 16:16 wei2coolman wrote:
So anyone know why all the LCS players got smurf accounts? Has there been any official statement?


it's an attempt to collect data over the next few months in an on-going effort to improve super-high-elo streaming experience
^_^

there's no contest first to challenger, no prize money, no elo experiment, basically all the stuff redditors have come up with is off-base, and what i wrote above is 100% accurate

Hmmm; what kind of streaming experience? I can't possibly imagine what they would have in store? Maybe something with spectating? So confuzzled.
liftlift > tsm
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 22 2013 07:30 GMT
#3695
Am I the only one having hell with Adobe right now? It's been quite a battle lol
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Chobra
Profile Joined June 2013
131 Posts
July 22 2013 07:52 GMT
#3696
On July 22 2013 11:26 Slusher wrote:
the winning team is actually super cute.

Also Chobra plays Rylai Ahri, my man I thought I was the only one left.


Unless we see drastic changes to either, I think Rylai's Ahri is always a reliable build.
I used to be a super fan of 100-0 Ahri with DFG pre-change and used to even add a lichbane in there to boot, but as I said on stream, even with a DFG you eventually fall off.

Rylais on the other hand, gives you decent damage, quite a bit of utility for chase/kite, and some well needed health. Think it's fairly overlooked. This is all aimed more at soloqueue btw, if you have a dedicated team, assassin ahri can be just fine throughout the whole game.

Ostrich Princess' build though, just wasn't going to do anyone any good sadly.

Didn't realize quite a few were enjoying the games, glad to hear! Twas super fun to cast, even more so because it WASNT perfect plays ^^
MagnusWolf
Profile Joined November 2011
United States483 Posts
July 22 2013 07:56 GMT
#3697
Chobra I just want to say great job casting these amateur tournies. I'm getting full use out of my OGN subscription watching them all!
http://www.twitch.tv/magnuswolf sometimes I stream, sometimes I don't
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 22 2013 07:56 GMT
#3698
On July 22 2013 16:30 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Am I the only one having hell with Adobe right now? It's been quite a battle lol

It's been breaking on me as well.

Man watching old VoD of PLord and Destiny duoing; I haven't laughed so hard in so long. Shit is so lolz.
liftlift > tsm
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
July 22 2013 08:45 GMT
#3699
idk I just can't like Destiny. At least his stream used to be fun b/c he was awful and then raged at his teammates but he rages less cos he got banned a ton + he's actually good at the game after playing it 24/7 for like a year.
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
July 22 2013 08:56 GMT
#3700
On July 22 2013 16:52 Chobra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2013 11:26 Slusher wrote:
the winning team is actually super cute.

Also Chobra plays Rylai Ahri, my man I thought I was the only one left.


Unless we see drastic changes to either, I think Rylai's Ahri is always a reliable build.
I used to be a super fan of 100-0 Ahri with DFG pre-change and used to even add a lichbane in there to boot, but as I said on stream, even with a DFG you eventually fall off.

Rylais on the other hand, gives you decent damage, quite a bit of utility for chase/kite, and some well needed health. Think it's fairly overlooked. This is all aimed more at soloqueue btw, if you have a dedicated team, assassin ahri can be just fine throughout the whole game.

Ostrich Princess' build though, just wasn't going to do anyone any good sadly.

Didn't realize quite a few were enjoying the games, glad to hear! Twas super fun to cast, even more so because it WASNT perfect plays ^^


My favorite part was your reaction to losing the playlist.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
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