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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 16 2013 23:44 GMT
#2141
The Lee Sin mixups in that Instaburst game is going to be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo siqq.
Forever Young
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
July 16 2013 23:45 GMT
#2142
On July 17 2013 08:44 sung_moon wrote:
The Lee Sin mixups in that Instaburst game is going to be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo siqq.

I saw mixups and thought I had accidentally opened up the Evo thread xD
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
July 16 2013 23:52 GMT
#2143
On July 17 2013 08:30 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 08:29 Live2Win wrote:
so I guess all ya'll totally agree with the BCS ranking system right?

Clearly the LCS needs to implement a similar system. It is in fact the one, true ranking system.

I can't wait for the CLG vs Najin Sword match in the GameFAQs Bowl!
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 16 2013 23:57 GMT
#2144
Scarra recently posted on twitter he thinks Karma is bad, not trying to point any fingers but every time I've seen a balance wine on his twitter something similar has gone in.

so I'm not surprised at all they are buffing her again.
Carrilord has arrived.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 16 2013 23:58 GMT
#2145
On July 17 2013 08:39 UniversalSnip wrote:
her laning doesn't really need buffs... it's her late game that's weak D:

Giving her higher base damage and better ratios is going to help her late game a bit I guess...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
c.Deadly
Profile Joined March 2010
United States545 Posts
July 16 2013 23:59 GMT
#2146
On July 17 2013 08:57 Slusher wrote:
Scarra recently posted on twitter he thinks Karma is bad, not trying to point any fingers but every time I've seen a balance wine on his twitter something similar has gone in.

so I'm not surprised at all they are buffing her again.


Saw scarra play karma on stream and he bought a tear and didn't get a single CDR item. I'm going to enjoy this extremely OP iteration of Karma
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
July 17 2013 00:00 GMT
#2147
On July 17 2013 08:04 kongoline wrote:
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25113-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-7-16-2013-shop
rofl the karma buffs are retarded

are they buffs though?

increase in slow %, decrease in on hit damage, increase in delayed damage

Less healing for mid karma more healing for support karma

nerf to shield mantra.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 17 2013 00:00 GMT
#2148
Well scarra isn't exactly an innovator or a person who can play a lot of champs.Wouldn't really listen to what he has to say lol.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 00:05:52
July 17 2013 00:01 GMT
#2149
That was not my point at all.

I like that Riot takes into consideration player feedback when it comes to balance, but with some players, Scarra for instance it feels like every time I see him bring up a balance qualm it always seems to be addressed

maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 17 2013 00:02 GMT
#2150
Yeah I know but in general.Pros say random stuff all the time.Doesn't mean it's true.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
July 17 2013 00:07 GMT
#2151
On July 17 2013 09:01 Slusher wrote:
That was not my point at all.

I like that Riot takes into consideration player feedback when it comes to balance, but with some players, Scarra for instance it feels like every time I see him bring up a balance qualm it always seems to be addressed

maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.


yeah I think it's probably coincidence. this is maybe an indication that following video game twitters is not going to give you much information of value.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
July 17 2013 00:08 GMT
#2152
On July 17 2013 09:02 nafta wrote:
Yeah I know but in general.Pros say random stuff all the time.Doesn't mean it's true.

Arguably, scarra having a limited champion pool is one of those things that I think is untrue, yet something said a lot by other pros and commentators.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
July 17 2013 00:10 GMT
#2153
On July 17 2013 09:08 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 09:02 nafta wrote:
Yeah I know but in general.Pros say random stuff all the time.Doesn't mean it's true.

Arguably, scarra having a limited champion pool is one of those things that I think is untrue, yet something said a lot by other pros and commentators.

He has a limited champion pool when it comes to champions he plays at a tip top level.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 17 2013 00:11 GMT
#2154
On July 17 2013 09:08 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 09:02 nafta wrote:
Yeah I know but in general.Pros say random stuff all the time.Doesn't mean it's true.

Arguably, scarra having a limited champion pool is one of those things that I think is untrue, yet something said a lot by other pros and commentators.


and himself.
Carrilord has arrived.
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
July 17 2013 00:11 GMT
#2155
On July 17 2013 09:08 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 09:02 nafta wrote:
Yeah I know but in general.Pros say random stuff all the time.Doesn't mean it's true.

Arguably, scarra having a limited champion pool is one of those things that I think is untrue, yet something said a lot by other pros and commentators.


He plays very few champs when it matters.He may be good at something else but if he(his team) doesn't have the confidence to pick it then it doesn't really matter.

On topic though I have never seen a karma so I just assume she isn't very good.Aatrox is getting picked lately after darien played it in lcs which is kinda weird.
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
July 17 2013 00:12 GMT
#2156
yeah I don't know what those karma numbers really mean, have to wait for a less obfuscated release. Buff to everything but a fat nerf to shield mantra? 40% slow on normal Q is pretty ridic...like thats just silly

Whats funny is I've seen several Karmas in high level streams now doing really well, but still no love from actual pros.

actually now that I look at it it looks to me like they are trying to specifically buff her support role. Adding base shield to mantra E, seriously increasing uptime on snare and buffing utility on Q. Still buffs to her solo too.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
July 17 2013 00:13 GMT
#2157
Loci plays a really mean Karma, but then he makes Veigar look good.
Carrilord has arrived.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 00:27:03
July 17 2013 00:26 GMT
#2158
PBE is the place for experimentation you never intend to actually implement though and checking out what Karma looks like with game-breaking numbers (1.1 ratio on ult-Q lol) is probably pretty helpful for identifying which problems are with kit and which are simply numbers problems.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35145 Posts
July 17 2013 00:28 GMT
#2159
On July 17 2013 08:44 sung_moon wrote:
The Lee Sin mixups in that Instaburst game is going to be sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo siqq.

Riven vs Lee will be fucking incredible to watch if done "right."
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-17 00:30:12
July 17 2013 00:29 GMT
#2160
smash talking about what they're going to do with olaf and it's not looking so hot. basically the rundown right now is:

Q: Minimum range, no slow decay. Ok, sounds great. Does not go through walls, which sounds horrible because it's really fun to toss them through walls, but it sounds like that part might be open to adjustment.
W: Has no idea what to do with it. Increases your healing based on how low you are. Other stats might just be lifesteal and attack speed.
E: No changes.
R: Has no idea what to do with it.

So my concern here is that if W loses spellvamp and AD that basically turns bruiser builds off. It would be like twisting a faucet, the incentive for tanky items just dries up. The spellvamp is the 'bruiser' portion of the ability that makes up a substantial portion of olaf's in fight sustain when you're building tanky - as you can imagine the lifesteal portion actually isn't scaling up that hard when you're building defensively, but the vamp portion doesn't scale very hard off AD, so they each serve to prop up different builds.

Then, if you take AD off the skill and turn it into attack speed, olaf has *no* other source of AD in his skills at all, so what is that attack speed going to work with exactly? You'll essentially be shoved into AD or on-hit itemization.

To be clear I think encouraging him to build a cutlass or something would be a lot of fun because it's very enjoyable to just go into overdrive as you get low and start healing like crazy, but it really doesn't look to me like the tanky aspect that's surely necessary to him working is getting much respect.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
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