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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 20:11:46
July 16 2013 20:11 GMT
#2081
On July 17 2013 05:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 04:41 Sandster wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 17 2013 03:24 kainzero wrote:
My friends think I'm dumb when I quote TL for why I sometimes max Aqua Prison on Nami first.

My friend thought W max was best on Nami; then I got him 12 kills in lane, with 0 deaths on either of us.
My friend's Diamond; I'm Silver scrub. He didn't say anything anymore.


I still max E first, does that make me bad?

Clarification: I am bad. I can't hit skillshots. So I max E to actually make my Q's land.

Either is fine; I just prefer the slightly higher risk higher reward of Q max.

As far as W max; even in passive lane; I think Q max is far better, way strong disengage, and highly punishes overly aggressive moves.

I would max W if I'm laning with a random person that keeps taking unnecessary poke. Q can only prevent so much stupid.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
July 16 2013 20:12 GMT
#2082
pretty sure every nami i see maxes the bouncy shit
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 20:20:46
July 16 2013 20:16 GMT
#2083
On July 17 2013 05:11 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:41 Sandster wrote:
On July 17 2013 04:05 wei2coolman wrote:
On July 17 2013 03:24 kainzero wrote:
My friends think I'm dumb when I quote TL for why I sometimes max Aqua Prison on Nami first.

My friend thought W max was best on Nami; then I got him 12 kills in lane, with 0 deaths on either of us.
My friend's Diamond; I'm Silver scrub. He didn't say anything anymore.


I still max E first, does that make me bad?

Clarification: I am bad. I can't hit skillshots. So I max E to actually make my Q's land.

Either is fine; I just prefer the slightly higher risk higher reward of Q max.

As far as W max; even in passive lane; I think Q max is far better, way strong disengage, and highly punishes overly aggressive moves.

I would max W if I'm laning with a random person that keeps taking unnecessary poke. Q can only prevent so much stupid.

To be honest if I random with a really bad ADC; I just let tower fall; let him solo freeze farm, while I roam and make plays else where with my ridiculously op'd Q and R combo.

Also tip for those who find landing Q in lane hard; Use Q every time they go in for a last hit. It either guarantees a Q landing; or them missing the last hit.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 20:18:51
July 16 2013 20:17 GMT
#2084
We really should take this discussion to the Nami thread and archive it there, we've had it several times already.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
July 16 2013 20:18 GMT
#2085
On July 17 2013 04:29 Alaric wrote:
Melee minions have 0 armour (+2 / 3 mins) and casters have 0 (+1.25 / 3 mins) so even just the 5 ArPen from masteries should last you the first 10 minutes of the game, and by then you probably have a bunch of AD or often Brutaliser so their armour doesn't matter too much.


Can't remember where I read it but I'm pretty sure you can shred resistances below zero and it amplifies for doing so. Trying to match your penetration to your opponents resistances makes no difference at any stage in the game.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
remedium
Profile Joined July 2011
United States939 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 20:21:21
July 16 2013 20:20 GMT
#2086
On July 17 2013 05:18 TheLink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 04:29 Alaric wrote:
Melee minions have 0 armour (+2 / 3 mins) and casters have 0 (+1.25 / 3 mins) so even just the 5 ArPen from masteries should last you the first 10 minutes of the game, and by then you probably have a bunch of AD or often Brutaliser so their armour doesn't matter too much.


Can't remember where I read it but I'm pretty sure you can shred resistances below zero and it amplifies for doing so. Trying to match your penetration to your opponents resistances makes no difference at any stage in the game.


A player on OddOne's stream had -9 MR today (Soraka OP!), it can definitely happen.

EDIT: also super minions have -30 MR (at least in bot games).
Stay positive!
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 16 2013 20:21 GMT
#2087
you can reduce Mres or armor below 0 but you can''t PENETRATE lower than 0. So matching your penetration is a good idea
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
July 16 2013 20:25 GMT
#2088
Cool, TIL I guess.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 16 2013 20:32 GMT
#2089
Speaking of long-awaited features.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 16 2013 20:33 GMT
#2090
Aww, I was looking forward to the buy rabadons, use R, refund and get Seraphs Karthus. Too bad they are on top of that already
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 16 2013 20:36 GMT
#2091
Boots of Speed
    Limited to 1

I laughed.
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25113-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-7-16-2013-shop
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
July 16 2013 20:37 GMT
#2092
On July 17 2013 05:36 XaCez wrote:
Show nested quote +
Boots of Speed
    Limited to 1

I laughed.
http://www.reignofgaming.net/news/25113-unofficial-pbe-patch-notes-for-7-16-2013-shop

Awww; no more double boots chauster...
liftlift > tsm
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-16 20:44:52
July 16 2013 20:44 GMT
#2093
People have stopped banning Nunu lately in low to mid gold, I don't understand why, but I will abuse it I guess. He's still so absurd.

[image loading]
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
July 16 2013 20:45 GMT
#2094
I saw an Anivia activate Zhonya's while in egg form in a game of mine today... is that a new bug? O.o
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
July 16 2013 20:45 GMT
#2095
On July 17 2013 05:32 XaCez wrote:
Speaking of long-awaited features.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

This is going to help me soso much. My mouse is broken and randomly doubleclicks (350 APM @ BW!) which has made me buy boots twice so often...
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
July 16 2013 20:48 GMT
#2096
On July 17 2013 05:45 Usagi wrote:
I saw an Anivia activate Zhonya's while in egg form in a game of mine today... is that a new bug? O.o

There's been a long-standing bug where Anivia can cast a spell in egg form if a displacement ability is used on her.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
July 16 2013 20:51 GMT
#2097
I actually like this better than the HoN/DotA 2 implementation (time-based sell-back). The HoN/DotA implementations have certain limitations (can't "un-sell" a sold item, can't undo combining a recipe item), which a plain undo button fixes.
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upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
July 16 2013 20:55 GMT
#2098
On July 17 2013 05:45 Don_Julio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2013 05:32 XaCez wrote:
Speaking of long-awaited features.
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

This is going to help me soso much. My mouse is broken and randomly doubleclicks (350 APM @ BW!) which has made me buy boots twice so often...

YES I WILL NEVER WEAR THE SHAME OF DOUBLE BOOTS AGAIN
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 16 2013 20:57 GMT
#2099
After 2 years on the game I feel like buying RP. I'm weak.
Get a summoner icon and that Ryze skin in sale. But Ryze may get nerfed a lot soon, what do ?
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
July 16 2013 21:00 GMT
#2100
I might actually spend my first money on LoL to buy a namechange
got my e and a swapped (I have scipeaus instead of scipaeus) and it's annoying. zz
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
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