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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 18 2013 02:56 GMT
#1941
On June 18 2013 11:50 spellsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 11:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:25 spellsy wrote:
i been doing some statistics / analysis of the na lcs super week for a post im gonna do or w/e... and i was wondering if you fellow nerds would like the info dump of all the statistics i found (in messy format) ?? its things from picks, first tower time, first blood time, lane positions, dragon timers baron etc etc gold situation @ 10 / 20 min etc

Make a chart of ward positions for both sides for all time brackets please ~


this is impossible

anyway, here are the two: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x6te7GroFunwidsIoiUJ-Ug19b7Fj0Wl7c0O2WG_sV8/edit# <- full stats sheet with all the info & bunch of analysis

--> a little bit more formatted but less info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllLJAxUt7qcdE5BUzBWS0ZmX2pfZTcxYmJ0MDN3Wmc#gid=0

This is fucking amazing read so far. Great work. Will add my thoughts in edit after I finish reading.
liftlift > tsm
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
June 18 2013 02:58 GMT
#1942
yea Dig used to value dragon a lot more.
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
Sandster
Profile Joined November 2006
United States4054 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 03:08:52
June 18 2013 03:04 GMT
#1943
On June 18 2013 11:41 Reborn8u wrote:
I'm an lol noob, in the depths of bronze. Just a couple of quick questions (please don't mock me . I've watched a few events now, and I've heard a lot of discussion about the "korean meta" and such. As I'm not really familiar with the evolution of things, all I really see is the AD/support bot, AP mid, bruiser top, jungle ganker. Typically either the support or jungle will be tanky.

It seems there is a lot of lane swapping and heavier pushing/ganking with the koreans, They seem to like having a 2v1 top and 1v2 bot type of game, where it's a race for both teams to take down the 2v1 tower. Then they stack and try to take down the rest of the enemies outer turrets as quickly as possible.Meanwhile, trying to maintain map vision and grab dragon and enemy buffs as much as possible. This is just my vague perception of things.

So can anyone clear things up for me? What is the korean meta or playstyle and how does it differ from what I see in NA?


Come on now, posters like you are a big reason why this forum exists! We'd be nowhere if we flamed everyone for asking questions. As long as you do a simple search and can't find it, ask!

A poster above me already explained what the current korean meta is, but if you're wondering why you don't see it in solo queue, it's because of sustained pressure on the map. In solo queue you often delay taking a tower so your lane opponent can't freely farm, because solo queue teams can't apply the advantage of a downed tower and freed up lane to apply pressure constantly elsewhere on the map.

This is true for a lot of NA/EU games too. You'll see a tower go down in a 2v1 lane, after which they switch back to standard lanes and...well, play a normal game, just with a tower down for each side. That doesn't really apply additional pressure. (If you freeze lane and slowly farm against most Korean teams, solo queue style, you'll be missing all your outer turrets within minutes.)

Taking outer turrets and denying vision is HUGE. You can't safely ward the river areas since there are no safe areas, so you tend to ward in your jungle. Your opponents start warding deep in your jungle too, so they see all your movements and you lose control of it. They'll be pushing as 5 or 4+1 one minute, then disappear from the map the next. Where are they? Are they doing dragon? Recalling? Pushing another turret? Farming jungle / baiting? You don't know, because you lost your vision and can't go too far out without risking your life.
spellsy
Profile Joined October 2011
United States418 Posts
June 18 2013 03:10 GMT
#1944
On June 18 2013 11:56 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 11:50 spellsy wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:25 spellsy wrote:
i been doing some statistics / analysis of the na lcs super week for a post im gonna do or w/e... and i was wondering if you fellow nerds would like the info dump of all the statistics i found (in messy format) ?? its things from picks, first tower time, first blood time, lane positions, dragon timers baron etc etc gold situation @ 10 / 20 min etc

Make a chart of ward positions for both sides for all time brackets please ~


this is impossible

anyway, here are the two: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x6te7GroFunwidsIoiUJ-Ug19b7Fj0Wl7c0O2WG_sV8/edit# <- full stats sheet with all the info & bunch of analysis

--> a little bit more formatted but less info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllLJAxUt7qcdE5BUzBWS0ZmX2pfZTcxYmJ0MDN3Wmc#gid=0

This is fucking amazing read so far. Great work. Will add my thoughts in edit after I finish reading.

ohh woops i just realized i accidentally linked the article/post not the stats sheet like i was going to before X.X lol.. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllLJAxUt7qcdHk1VHEzUFFjZEI3NTZ6Vlk5UFZpVWc#gid=5 <-- this is the excel i meant to link before..
phathom321
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1730 Posts
June 18 2013 03:20 GMT
#1945
On June 18 2013 11:47 caelym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 11:44 Shikyo wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:42 caelym wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:25 spellsy wrote:
i been doing some statistics / analysis of the na lcs super week for a post im gonna do or w/e... and i was wondering if you fellow nerds would like the info dump of all the statistics i found (in messy format) ?? its things from picks, first tower time, first blood time, lane positions, dragon timers baron etc etc gold situation @ 10 / 20 min etc

Make a chart of ward positions for both sides for all time brackets please ~

I hope you're joking. That is horribly inefficent to do by hand. What would be nice is if someone pays a programmer to write an application that analyzes youtube VODs and creates an interactive minimap with a timeline feature that tracks ward placements and movements.

It'd be one of the most useful statistics though =P

Basically just having different screenshots with dots where the wards were at that time

I did that for Curse. A screenshot at 00:40 and 01:40 to track level 1 ward coverage.

Not to steal spellsy's thunder or anything, but here's an old report on Dignitas: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0iavogi2ew62p5e/Dignitas cheatsheet.pdf


imaqtpie randomly gets caught at least once a game.


I laughed way harder than I should have when I read this.
"Dying in the line of duty is heroic, but dying while unemployed is just stupid." -L
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 03:28:01
June 18 2013 03:25 GMT
#1946
On June 18 2013 11:50 spellsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 11:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:25 spellsy wrote:
i been doing some statistics / analysis of the na lcs super week for a post im gonna do or w/e... and i was wondering if you fellow nerds would like the info dump of all the statistics i found (in messy format) ?? its things from picks, first tower time, first blood time, lane positions, dragon timers baron etc etc gold situation @ 10 / 20 min etc

Make a chart of ward positions for both sides for all time brackets please ~


this is impossible

anyway, here are the two: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllLJAxUt7qcdHk1VHEzUFFjZEI3NTZ6Vlk5UFZpVWc#gid=5 <- full stats sheet with all the info & bunch of analysis

--> a little bit more formatted but less info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllLJAxUt7qcdE5BUzBWS0ZmX2pfZTcxYmJ0MDN3Wmc#gid=0

Thats kinda cool.
Thanks for the extra stats stuff, just started as a research analyst, might look into the data some more.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 03:44:37
June 18 2013 03:39 GMT
#1947
Reading the new champion rotation and it's all right I guess, but...


Quinn is in the champion rotation for the third time in really quick succession. I'd image there would be some other champions people would like to try...

In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 03:53:15
June 18 2013 03:50 GMT
#1948
On June 18 2013 12:39 Shikyo wrote:
Reading the new champion rotation and it's all right I guess, but...


Quinn is in the champion rotation for the third time in really quick succession. I'd image there would be some other champions people would like to try...

In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all


Now if only we could somehow remove him from players accounts that have purchased him....

And remove him from the shop while we at it.
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
June 18 2013 03:53 GMT
#1949
On June 18 2013 12:50 iCanada wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 12:39 Shikyo wrote:
Reading the new champion rotation and it's all right I guess, but...


Quinn is in the champion rotation for the third time in really quick succession. I'd image there would be some other champions people would like to try...

In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all


Now if only we could somehow remove him from players accounts that have purchased him....

LOL I was also thinking this
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 18 2013 03:55 GMT
#1950
On June 18 2013 12:10 spellsy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 11:56 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:50 spellsy wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:34 Shikyo wrote:
On June 18 2013 11:25 spellsy wrote:
i been doing some statistics / analysis of the na lcs super week for a post im gonna do or w/e... and i was wondering if you fellow nerds would like the info dump of all the statistics i found (in messy format) ?? its things from picks, first tower time, first blood time, lane positions, dragon timers baron etc etc gold situation @ 10 / 20 min etc

Make a chart of ward positions for both sides for all time brackets please ~


this is impossible

anyway, here are the two: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x6te7GroFunwidsIoiUJ-Ug19b7Fj0Wl7c0O2WG_sV8/edit# <- full stats sheet with all the info & bunch of analysis

--> a little bit more formatted but less info: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllLJAxUt7qcdE5BUzBWS0ZmX2pfZTcxYmJ0MDN3Wmc#gid=0

This is fucking amazing read so far. Great work. Will add my thoughts in edit after I finish reading.

ohh woops i just realized i accidentally linked the article/post not the stats sheet like i was going to before X.X lol.. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AllLJAxUt7qcdHk1VHEzUFFjZEI3NTZ6Vlk5UFZpVWc#gid=5 <-- this is the excel i meant to link before..

interesting stuff.

On the article; I think a huge reason why 2v2 is still popular has to do with how close to skill gap the botlanes are, and how much less of a threat the AD's in EU matchups are in comparison to AP/Top matchups.
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 04:02:00
June 18 2013 03:59 GMT
#1951
download new patch -> instant fatal error in champion select

g.g. riot


hence I recommend you don't relog to grab the new patch
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
June 18 2013 04:00 GMT
#1952
On June 18 2013 12:39 Shikyo wrote:
In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all

Isn't that good news?
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Parametric
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1261 Posts
June 18 2013 04:09 GMT
#1953
On June 18 2013 13:00 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 12:39 Shikyo wrote:
In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all

Isn't that good news?

Fuck yes
Crispy Bacon craving overload.
qanik
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark1899 Posts
June 18 2013 04:10 GMT
#1954
CRS CLG Scrim inc
Best Teemo World
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 18 2013 04:25 GMT
#1955
On June 18 2013 13:10 qanik wrote:
CRS CLG Scrim inc

Battle of the overly cocky
liftlift > tsm
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 04:41:34
June 18 2013 04:40 GMT
#1956
On June 18 2013 13:09 Parametric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 13:00 xes wrote:
On June 18 2013 12:39 Shikyo wrote:
In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all

Isn't that good news?

Fuck yes

You think?

If we had had Yorick recently, they might not have him as a free champion for a while. Because it's been over half a year, he's going to be free soon. ;o


Please high skill liquidians, how should I play the Pantheon vs Riven matchup? Her shield is pretty stronk against spear and most of her dmg is not from autos.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
June 18 2013 04:41 GMT
#1957
On June 18 2013 13:00 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 12:39 Shikyo wrote:
In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all

Isn't that good news?

I liked the yorick cassi and other interesting yorick comps in competitive play :/ I wouldn't be too surprised if, with the new "all-in harder" khazix if yorick khazix might become potentially a thing? (KZ ghost actually does damage too, since he's AD.)
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
June 18 2013 04:43 GMT
#1958
yorick saw competitive play this past week
i expect a small resurgence of him, but since there are plenty of champs that can beat him in lane now, and so many strong early junglers, i don't expect yorick dominance
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
June 18 2013 04:44 GMT
#1959
On June 18 2013 13:41 sylverfyre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 18 2013 13:00 xes wrote:
On June 18 2013 12:39 Shikyo wrote:
In 2013, we haven't had Yorick at all

Isn't that good news?

I liked the yorick cassi and other interesting yorick comps in competitive play :/ I wouldn't be too surprised if, with the new "all-in harder" khazix if yorick khazix might become potentially a thing? (KZ ghost actually does damage too, since he's AD.)

I'm not sure about comps but Yorick decimates certain laners incredibly hard and he has no problems 1v2ing so he still should be used as a counterpick, I really don't know why he's never seen. Every single team does have an ADC that his ults benefits from greatly and all
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-18 04:47:29
June 18 2013 04:45 GMT
#1960
LOL I had an itch to play some Dota 2 having last played it a year ago. First game back, I hard carried as Crystal Maiden :D
bnet: caelym#1470 | Twitter: @caelym
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