EPTMalphite, invisible unstoppable forces.
Zac, invisible slingshot.
Skarner, the invisible pulls.
Ghost Walk would break the game so hard lol, it works on every champ in insane ways.
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Malphite, invisible unstoppable forces. Zac, invisible slingshot. Skarner, the invisible pulls. Ghost Walk would break the game so hard lol, it works on every champ in insane ways. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:23 Sandster wrote: It's just annoying. Ever see games with an Eve on the other team? It's terrible for the game to force everyone to constantly buy pink wards, in every game, against every other champion. To be fair, it's only "annoying" on Eve because buying pink wards feels exceptional. If buying pink wards was the norm because everyone had this summoner, it wouldn't feel annoying or exceptional, just what you're "supposed" to do. | ||
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:31 Sandster wrote: Every MIA is a threat on your own life, in addition to everyone on your team. Honestly, I think the game needs to be more like this anyway. I don't think this is the right way to make that happen, but vision is too ubiquitous as it is. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:32 TheYango wrote: To be fair, it's only "annoying" on Eve because buying pink wards feels exceptional. If buying pink wards was the norm because everyone had this summoner, it wouldn't feel annoying or exceptional, just what you're "supposed" to do. Eh, I buy 1 or 2 pinks ~every 3 min when I'm playing against Eve. It's not only the fact that I lose a little bit of extra money, but the fact that I can't go ANYWHERE to help because I'm too afraid to venture into the darkness (even if that "darkness" is just a green ward). And if the enemy mid and Eve start buying pinks (as they should be), forget it. Map control is gone. Edit: It's one thing if it's Eve mid. I can mentally keep track of that a little bit at least. But seeing as she's never seen in mid anymore and only wanders the forest, it's just miserable unless your team is incredibly coordinated to make sure that bitch gets nothing. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
-The slow to yourself is noticeable, 50% self slow while active. It's not a Rengar ult, you can't initate with it. You slow as fuck but see through. -Any cast or attack breaks the stealth. This includes channeling Karthus ult or recalling or Flash. -It has a damage threshold to break. Getting hit by an errant Mystic Shot won't break it, getting chunked by a Nid spear will. -Things like Cait traps/Nid traps will reveal you just like normal stealth -The duration is 4 seconds -The Cooldown is 260 seconds -The mastery for it increases the stealth duration by 1 second, bringing it to 5 and is found in the defensive mastery point. | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:34 jcarlsoniv wrote: Eh, I buy 1 or 2 pinks ~every 3 min when I'm playing against Eve. It's not only the fact that I lose a little bit of extra money, but the fact that I can't go ANYWHERE to help because I'm too afraid to venture into the darkness (even if that "darkness" is just a green ward). And if the enemy mid and Eve start buying pinks (as they should be), forget it. Map control is gone. Edit: It's one thing if it's Eve mid. I can mentally keep track of that a little bit at least. But seeing as she's never seen in mid anymore and only wanders the forest, it's just miserable unless your team is incredibly coordinated to make sure that bitch gets nothing. This. Introducing a summoner should open new plays and counterplays. (Imagine if Flash were suddenly introduced today. It'd be incredibly scary, overpowered, and open tons of new opportunities.) If Invis were suddenly introduced it'd just be people spamming vision wards on top of each other and sitting in (or pretending to sit in) brushes. I don't see how that's fun at all. If you are even slightly behind lane, forget farming, b/c any second the equivalent of a cloned Wukong is going E+Q+R on top of your face. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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Sabin010
United States1892 Posts
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Big.E33
United States27 Posts
remove flash from the game | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:41 Sabin010 wrote: I think the slow should last the full duration even if the stealth is broken. Addendum: The slow lasts the full duration. | ||
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Mensol
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:43 Mensol wrote: is renekton worth to open? i'm not sure if i should open him. Do you mean pick early? He's a pretty safe pick, since there are very few champions that counter him. There are a lot of champions that outscale him though, and he has a poor matchup against the new FOTM tops (Kennen Ryze). | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:39 TheYango wrote: As an aside, the detection rules for LoL still feel terribly unintuitive for me--the fact that detection is blocked by basic vision restrictions and is not unrestricted by terrain/vision blockers so long as something provides vision on the other side for you is really weird to me because it goes against how detection works in BW, WC3, SC2, and DotA. yeah seriously this i swear, pinking the j bush in mid lane is the riskiest thing in the game | ||
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Mensol
14536 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:45 Sandster wrote: Do you mean pick early? He's a pretty safe pick, since there are very few champions that counter him. There are a lot of champions that outscale him though, and he has a poor matchup against the new FOTM tops (Kennen Ryze). i mean is he worth to purchase? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23469 Posts
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
He's my most played champ, and I think he's really fun. You can't stand there and auto people (unlike Irelia, Jax) but you have ridiculous burst with empowered W and harass potential with double E. In team fights you pop your ult and go ham on their back line, although eventually you can't kill anything by yourself and have to just zone/peel. If you like tanky bruisers that have early lane dominance he's a worthy purchase. He can survive a ton of ganks, and even turn around ganks 1v2 in some cases, because of how strong his ult and empowered Q/W are. EDIT: This is an amazing Renek guide - watch some videos to see if you like the playstyle. http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=54546-imnumerouno-renekton-build-guide | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Ended up with him because I picked Fiddle support, the other guy picked Brand (we already had a mid who said it, guy probably read the chat right after) instantly switched to Blitz (he didn't read the part where I'm support) and locked. So we have no idea who does what, and the guy who wanted to jungle doesn't know if he wants to Fid or top. He picks Renekton, luckily I have him too, and we end up Blitz support, Fiddle jungle who didn't play it in a year, and Renek top who didn't play it in more than a year. That was... hectic. On June 14 2013 03:32 TheYango wrote: To be fair, it's only "annoying" on Eve because buying pink wards feels exceptional. If buying pink wards was the norm because everyone had this summoner, it wouldn't feel annoying or exceptional, just what you're "supposed" to do. Last game had a jungle Eve on the other team, I ended up almost not warding the lane till we had a sightstone (was playing Zyra against Alistar so for standard ponctual vision, seeds and bush pressure/control was enough), going philo->sightstone->kage and spamming pinks along the way, until we were able to force them to group (gosh buying 2 pinks for drake then having the team not group till they've expired is frustrating). The experience was interesting. Obviously can't be applied every game because I got 2 kills relatively early (including fb), and stole some cs (ended up at 50 at 25+ minutes, 60 by the end) so I had a bunch more gold than usual, esp. for the early gp5, but when you can afford to spam wards so much it's true that it's pretty comfortable. You've got to make it worthwhile with the plays though. (And I still take any advice on laning support Zyra and match-ups other than Alistar/Taric. :x) | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:39 TheYango wrote: As an aside, the detection rules for LoL still feel terribly unintuitive for me--the fact that detection is blocked by basic vision restrictions and is not unrestricted by terrain/vision blockers so long as something provides vision on the other side for you is really weird to me because it goes against how detection works in BW, WC3, SC2, and DotA. This is the hardest aspect in LoL for me coming from other games. It confuses me constantly that I can put down a pink and still fail to remove a ward I know is there because the pink can't see even thought it's within detection range. Makes dewarding those bendy brushes pointless with pinks too | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On June 14 2013 03:52 Sandster wrote: He's my most played champ, and I think he's really fun. You can't stand there and auto people (unlike Irelia, Jax) but you have ridiculous burst with empowered W and harass potential with double E. In team fights you pop your ult and go ham on their back line, although eventually you can't kill anything by yourself and have to just zone/peel. If you like tanky bruisers that have early lane dominance he's a worthy purchase. He can survive a ton of ganks, and even turn around ganks 1v2 in some cases, because of how strong his ult and empowered Q/W are. EDIT: This is an amazing Renek guide - watch some videos to see if you like the playstyle. http://www.solomid.net/guides.php?g=54546-imnumerouno-renekton-build-guide dis Sandster noob. SoloRenektonOnly actually has his own Renek thread on TL. | ||
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