[Patch 3.08: Aatrox Patch] General Discussion - Page 302

On July 03 2013 09:27 Slusher wrote:


are you going for the Hunter S. Thompson look?

On July 03 2013 09:43 Requizen wrote:

Probably singed if you can stall it

On July 03 2013 09:02 Scip wrote:
You guys still didn't tell me what masteries do you get when you go 0/9/21 jungle

as weird as it is for me to say this i don't think his sustain is his biggest issue. It's the combination of that and gross levels of free burst damage. I doubt he was ever intended to be played this way, but A) you don't solve the tank build by nerfing his heal, it'll still be superior, B) it will only make him more tolerable in lane, not really elsewhere and C)the glass cannon assassin build is *just* as obnoxious and only slightly less goods. There might not be a single experience in the game atm less fun than being a squishy vs that build. i hope they refocus him as a melee carry rather than an assassin. That would entail giving his Q a longer duration and less upfront damage, and reducing his R to a short duration so it'll be a chasing rather than initiation tool. His W would deal probably no damage at all. It doesn't need it, let him build fucking tiamat if he wants to waveclear.

On July 03 2013 10:34 Slusher wrote:
the AoE range on hurricane (thank god) isn't near good enough to be useful in teamfights it's really only good for waveclear.

On July 03 2013 10:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
HURICAN PLS

imo, that item is so trash. the extra shots do reduced damage and also doesn't apply crits so there's 0 reason to ever get it on an AD carry. Only time it does anything is if you're doing some janky on-hit build, but those builds are sub-optimal in like 99% of situations.

In a similar vein, I also think Tiamat/Hydra is pretty terrible item but people buy that a lot so iunno...

On July 03 2013 10:37 Ryuu314 wrote:

I guess you could use it for waveclear...but almost every single ranged AD champ already has good waveclear lol

On July 03 2013 10:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
HURICAN PLS

imo, that item is so trash. the extra shots do reduced damage and also doesn't apply crits so there's 0 reason to ever get it on an AD carry. Only time it does anything is if you're doing some janky on-hit build, but those builds are sub-optimal in like 99% of situations.

In a similar vein, I also think Tiamat/Hydra is pretty terrible item but people buy that a lot so iunno...

On July 03 2013 10:44 Slusher wrote:


um Hydra is super good because it's a final tier lifesteal item that does not have a BF sword build path, also the active is super strong on people with damage modifiers like Talon and Zed, I think the item is actually super good especially with split pushing being as strong as it is right now, it functions really well on champions with attack resets like wukong or champions who want to do a lot of damage in burst like current style of Rengar I actually think the item is highly underrated at the moment.

but yes I agree 100% on hurricane about the only good use of it I can think of is split push Teemo, not having to use mushrooms to apply pressure would allow you to set a lot more mines, but it would also take up an ap slot so it's iffy at best.

On July 03 2013 10:02 UniversalSnip wrote:
what I posted in 2012 about rengar, when the OP tank build was standard for him because he had huge heals.



well I think the prophecy has come true, rengar is as obnoxious as ever now that he's repointed in the direction of being an assassin.

On July 03 2013 10:44 Slusher wrote:


um Hydra is super good because it's a final tier lifesteal item that does not have a BF sword build path, also the active is super strong on people with damage modifiers like Talon and Zed, I think the item is actually super good especially with split pushing being as strong as it is right now, it functions really well on champions with attack resets like wukong or champions who want to do a lot of damage in burst like current style of Rengar I actually think the item is highly underrated at the moment.

but yes I agree 100% on hurricane about the only good use of it I can think of is split push Teemo, not having to use mushrooms to apply pressure would allow you to set a lot more mines, but it would also take up an ap slot so it's iffy at best.

On July 03 2013 10:50 Ryuu314 wrote:

Except you can get Bork for more lifesteal than Hydra. You also get the active, which is better than the Hydra active. The damage output from Bork is (i think) on par with the damage on Hydra. So much of the gold value of Hydra is wasted on the regen and passive, which honestly isn't very good.

I can see why you'd get it for champs like Talon/Zed who have damage modifiers, but honestly even in that situation I think it's sub-optimal. The active is basically an aoe auto attack and it doesn't animation cancel has a reasonably long animation so when using it in a combo using the active is literally the same thing as auto-attacking one more time. In these burst combo situations I'm quite positive you're better off just building a BT.