EPTdidnt they try to remove it from the game at one point but people opposed against this change and riot decided to leave it?
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kongoline
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didnt they try to remove it from the game at one point but people opposed against this change and riot decided to leave it? | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
On July 02 2013 15:35 sylverfyre wrote: The only unintended thing that I can think of which was nerfed was Thresh flashing while casting his hook. But really, are you going to complain that they are nerfing Thresh? (Remember, other skills with windup didn't let you do this during windup.) Thresh is in this spot where he's incredibly powerful in pro hands, but merely pretty strong in unorganized play. Nerfing an aspect about him that is really only truly abusable by the best of the best seems like the perfect kind of nerf to hit him with. I'm more annoyed at Riot trying to 'control' the meta in questionable ways [encouragement towards 2v2 lanes being the most frustrating.] The amount of times Thresh has hooked Singed into my team... -.- | ||
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Don_Julio
2220 Posts
"I don't think [Doublelift] can be considered a top ADC at the moment." | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:16 Don_Julio wrote: Check out C9 LemonNations AMA at Reddit. He gives some in-depth and controversial answers. "I don't think [Doublelift] can be considered a top ADC at the moment." Yeah, well, that's just, like, his opinion man | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On July 02 2013 15:48 Shikyo wrote: I believe that what it really comes down to is that Riot doesn't compensate for kit disadvantages properly. A champion with an escape should have significantly worse base stats than a champion without one. A champion with heal/sustain mechanic should have significantly worse base stats than a champion without one. Same is slightly true for certain ranged vs melee(jayce). There's not enough incentive to play a risky champion without an escape because a non-risky champion with escape is just as effective in fights anyway Perhaps indeed the risk-reward balance of some champions needs to be looked into. I think I largely agree with this point. Escapes are probably some of the strongest things in the meta overall. You could argue it's why Elise, Jayce, Zed and Khazix are so ridiculously popular. And then they out-damage or sustain escape-less champs. Honestly a lack of escape is why I hate playing mordekaiser despite the fact I love playing mordekaiser. More seriously, because we've recently had a lot of champions that can move about the map easier, a lot of slower champs have become rarer. S2 was all about Anivia and Karthus in a way for mid. But all the new champs are sooooooo dam mobile. Work backwards on champ releases and its just getting more and more slippery: - Aatrox: Revive and a small wall hop - Lissandra: claw + zonyas - Zac: slingshot + bounce - Quinn: Vault + bird form - Thresh: Hook zoom in - Vi: charge + charge ulti - Nami: eh, not too mobile. Some disengage. - Zed: slippery as hell - Elise: Fly into space - Khazix: Jumps I mean, that's not to say champs before all this didn't have good escapes and engages, but the champion pool is far more mobile than it was before. I'm hoping the next few champions are big, tanky and slow, but still fun. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:18 wei2coolman wrote: Yeah, well, that's just, like, his opinion man Sure played like trash against TSM, got carried lol. | ||
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kainzero
United States5211 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:04 kongoline wrote: didnt they try to remove it from the game at one point but people opposed against this change and riot decided to leave it? Yeah, that was the point I was trying to make. I think they removed it, then put it back in. So, yea, there are also things that they left in that weren't by design. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:19 onlywonderboy wrote: Sure played like trash against TSM, got carried lol. Gotta rest the spine every once in a while. | ||
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + #TheReturn | ||
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caelym
United States6429 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:16 Don_Julio wrote: Check out C9 LemonNations AMA at Reddit. He gives some in-depth and controversial answers. "I don't think [Doublelift] can be considered a top ADC at the moment." His explanation makes sense. Doublelift's style of 6 item ADC god is outdated in the current meta. It's more effective to have higher farm priority for the solo lanes. | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:33 caelym wrote: His explanation makes sense. Doublelift's style of 6 item ADC god is outdated in the current meta. It's more effective to have higher farm priority for the solo lanes. MVP Ozone. That said, Double's problem continues to be decision making. Deciding to Tumble into 5 people, ahead of his team. Deciding to build Omen against 4 AP champions. He can and frankly, will always be, the go-to carry for CLG. He's actually very lucky the team put him on their collective backs against TSM. Doublelift can carry, CLG just needs to ban/pick better (vs C9, Week 3, vs MRN in Spring Split) and not go full retard (vs TSM, Week 3). | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:39 NeoIllusions wrote: MVP Ozone. That said, Double's problem continues to be decision making. Deciding to Tumble into 5 people, ahead of his team. Deciding to build Omen against 4 AP champions. He can and frankly, will always be, the go-to carry for CLG. He's actually very lucky the team put him on their collective backs against TSM. Doublelift can carry, CLG just needs to ban/pick better (vs C9, Week 3, vs MRN in Spring Split) and not go full retard (vs TSM, Week 3). Please; he didn't even tumble against c9; he just straight up struttin' on in der. | ||
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:16 Don_Julio wrote: Check out C9 LemonNations AMA at Reddit. He gives some in-depth and controversial answers. "I don't think [Doublelift] can be considered a top ADC at the moment." I think he's questioning his strategical approach to the game rather than his individual skills. I used to believe that Doublelift was forced onto a single playstyle by his team, but nowadays I'm not so sure whether it's his inflexibility to adapt to the metagame shifts or having too much faith in the strength of his style of play too much. However, even professionals have varying opinions, and are often blinded by the same biases that plague us spectators. I somehow get the feeling that LemonNation's criteria for a top-class AD carry as of now depends on their adaptability to fit into a low-farm-priority AD carry role whose main function is not the main damage source in the late game, but bringing global gold by bringing down towers in order to let the solo-laners carry the game. Then again, I have no idea whether Imaqtpie, Sneaky, or WildTurtle fits this description. Doublelift definately has strengths that are not matched by these players in my opinion, maybe LemonNation truly does believe that these players are more powerful in the current metagame. I've always thought of Imaqtpie and WildTurtle as AD carries that focus heavily on trading during the early game, and has less presence during team-fights than Doublelift, but don't know which qualities LemonNation feels these three players have over Doublelift in the current metagame apart from perhaps knowing when to group better, which obviously is influenced by factors outside of a single player. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On July 02 2013 15:29 cLutZ wrote: Meh, the problems in LOL rarely stem from things that are seemingly mistakes, the usually stem from things "working as intended" but merely working too well. Past examples, that come to mind readily, and came after the crazy beta shit, etc, include: Metagolem, Release Graves, Release Lulu, Release Athenes, W Max Ez, Rengar, S3 Black Cleaver, S3 Warmogs (most HP items), S3 Muramana Ryze, Current(Physical) Muramana builds. ETC I remember the time i made the metagolem picture on GP. Triforce/Atmas/Gunblade/Warmogs/2x Merc treads. good times | ||
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HazMat
United States17077 Posts
Idk Riot should look into it :3 | ||
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swim224
Botswana368 Posts
On July 02 2013 16:49 HazMat wrote: So I found out why my chat wasn't showing up in replays and when I was spectating. If you move your chat to the left side of your screen (I do this so it's above my minimap since my minimap is inverted) it won't show up. I have no idea why... I guess the chat is automatically moved to the left in replays and when you're spectating so it moves it off the screen if it's initially on the left? Idk Riot should look into it :3 Wait, is this if you move your minimap anywhere on the left side of the minimap, or only just above the minimap? I"m having the same problem you had. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On July 02 2013 15:35 sylverfyre wrote: The only unintended thing that I can think of which was nerfed was Thresh flashing while casting his hook. But really, are you going to complain that they are nerfing Thresh? (Remember, other skills with windup didn't let you do this during windup.) Thresh is in this spot where he's incredibly powerful in pro hands, but merely pretty strong in unorganized play. Nerfing an aspect about him that is really only truly abusable by the best of the best seems like the perfect kind of nerf to hit him with. I'm more annoyed at Riot trying to 'control' the meta in questionable ways [encouragement towards 2v2 lanes being the most frustrating.] Lee Sin double E bug Twisted Fate Ult->Zhonya Stacking Flask charges in fountain so they're still ticking while you go to lane Leashing/aggro tricks on jungle camps Terrain creation spells trapping heroes if cast precisely on them (e.g. if you targeted an Anivia wall just right, it could trap someone inside it) Turtle stance triggering off Madred's procs (could argue that this one isn't a bug but Riot's stance is that it is) Smitiing Baron/Dragon from over the wall if you stand in precisely the right spot | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 02 2013 18:08 TheYango wrote: Lee Sin double E bug Twisted Fate Ult->Zhonya Stacking Flask charges in fountain so they're still ticking while you go to lane Leashing/aggro tricks on jungle camps Terrain creation spells trapping heroes if cast precisely on them (e.g. if you targeted an Anivia wall just right, it could trap someone inside it) Turtle stance triggering off Madred's procs (could argue that this one isn't a bug but Riot's stance is that it is) Smitiing Baron/Dragon from over the wall if you stand in precisely the right spot Blitz hook -> flash backwards | ||
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