• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 10:22
CEST 16:22
KST 23:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down6ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier3Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League52Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.164
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Evil Geniuses - shutting down No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins Server Blocker
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? SCHNAIL now supports Remastered BW General Discussion Rollback Netcode in Brood War SOOP Announces New Women's Monthly Tournament
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage [ASL22] Grand Finals
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Chess Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7973 users

[Patch 3.08: Aatrox Patch] General Discussion - Page 226

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 224 225 226 227 228 380 Next
Interested in helping start an on-topic, serious League discussion thread? PM Neo to talk about how to get started.
Aezo-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada378 Posts
June 27 2013 16:51 GMT
#4501
Quinn is soooo much fun.

Respawn, switch into valor run to a fight and pick off 3 low targets instantly.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 27 2013 16:51 GMT
#4502
On June 28 2013 01:38 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 01:21 Ketara wrote:
I would be so 100% okay with 50 RP for a reroll. Would probably make a lot of money.

I mean, it's ARAM. It's not like it's competitive.

That's basically implying that p2w would be all right in normals as well.

How do you p2w a normal game? $10 and you start at level 6?

Rerolls aren't pay to win, it's a gamble. If you "win", you have a conceivably slightly higher chance of winning the game if you get a champion that you're good with and also is OP on ARAM. Whoopdee do, those things only last like 20 minutes tops anyway.
It's your boy Guzma!
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 27 2013 16:59 GMT
#4503
One thing I thought that was weird with TCGs is that usually if you're decent... you end up getting a bunch of cards that retain their value, so the wallet hit isn't really that hard in the long run.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 27 2013 17:03 GMT
#4504
On June 28 2013 00:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 00:40 captharlock wrote:
On June 28 2013 00:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Off topic:

I'm really starting to get into MtG because I have a group of friends that play competitively. I've played a little in the past, but never with any real drive or desire to learn anything.

I'm now realizing this is gonna be a huge money sink Q.Q



Huge Money Sink. Are you playing MtG: Online or physical card?

From past experience since your playing in a group of friends. Do a card pool. Makes life easier on that money sink.


Well, it's playing with friends, and I want to start going to tournaments as well. Not that I expect to do well at all with my deck, but I've always loved those kinds of tournaments (one of them is the same friend who I went to Melee tournaments with ages ago - Shminkledorf, if Smash sees this).

Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 00:41 mordek wrote:
My favorite formats were always sealed deck and booster draft. I love trying to make stuff on the fly. Which is why I like ARAM, that's lol related right? :D


The only draft experience I have so far is boozecube with them a few weeks ago. I have requested that we do a booster draft soon so I can learn drafting and to expand my card pool.

Personally I've always felt limited was the better way to actually get involved in the game seriously. Quite frankly, you can start playing constructed "competitively" by not actually knowing a lot about the game and just piloting someone else's deck. You might see some success, but I personally don't think you learn a lot from that, and you'll get a lot more out of the experience learning to draft first and then *applying* your card evaluation skills from draft to the entire card pool for whatever constructed format you're playing.

As an aside, I think the availability of learning tools for someone getting into magic semi-competitively is absolutely awful. Honestly, when Pat Chapin released his book a few years back it really pissed me off. The guy was a successful Magic player, sure, but the level of information in that book was really, really basic. It's Liquipedia-level basics on card evaluation, tempo, card advantage, etc. and it has a $30 price tag on it, compared to other competitive gaming communities which make that level of teaching available for free.
Moderator
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 27 2013 17:12 GMT
#4505
On June 27 2013 23:09 Solaris.playgu wrote:
I used to do that a lot back before he was changed and when wit´s was useless. I´m not sure whether it was really viable or not, but every second game or so I ditched turtle for tiger and built only defensive items to weigh up for it because tiger and phoenix both do a shitton of damage. It was kind of dependent on being able to preload tiger into bear though, probably not worth it anymore.

I think you can't "preload" anymore because you lose the Tiger buff as soon as you switch out (it lasts until your first attack in Tiger stance, though, rather than 5s like before).

On June 27 2013 22:30 SagaZ wrote:
i hate the turtle stance hair
i love the tiger wolverine look
bear stance maxed looks scary as fuck, i like it

Turtle hair is good. Whole skin is fucking badass as hell, and stances are real stances, really soothing to the eye in those preview videos. I'm not gonna buy it because I've spent enough on League, but it's a pretty neat thing.
Lee Sin (even with Muay Thaï skin) can go home.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
June 27 2013 17:12 GMT
#4506
On June 28 2013 02:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 00:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 28 2013 00:40 captharlock wrote:
On June 28 2013 00:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Off topic:

I'm really starting to get into MtG because I have a group of friends that play competitively. I've played a little in the past, but never with any real drive or desire to learn anything.

I'm now realizing this is gonna be a huge money sink Q.Q



Huge Money Sink. Are you playing MtG: Online or physical card?

From past experience since your playing in a group of friends. Do a card pool. Makes life easier on that money sink.


Well, it's playing with friends, and I want to start going to tournaments as well. Not that I expect to do well at all with my deck, but I've always loved those kinds of tournaments (one of them is the same friend who I went to Melee tournaments with ages ago - Shminkledorf, if Smash sees this).

On June 28 2013 00:41 mordek wrote:
My favorite formats were always sealed deck and booster draft. I love trying to make stuff on the fly. Which is why I like ARAM, that's lol related right? :D


The only draft experience I have so far is boozecube with them a few weeks ago. I have requested that we do a booster draft soon so I can learn drafting and to expand my card pool.

Personally I've always felt limited was the better way to actually get involved in the game seriously. Quite frankly, you can start playing constructed "competitively" by not actually knowing a lot about the game and just piloting someone else's deck. You might see some success, but I personally don't think you learn a lot from that, and you'll get a lot more out of the experience learning to draft first and then *applying* your card evaluation skills from draft to the entire card pool for whatever constructed format you're playing.

As an aside, I think the availability of learning tools for someone getting into magic semi-competitively is absolutely awful. Honestly, when Pat Chapin released his book a few years back it really pissed me off. The guy was a successful Magic player, sure, but the level of information in that book was really, really basic. It's Liquipedia-level basics on card evaluation, tempo, card advantage, etc. and it has a $30 price tag on it, compared to other competitive gaming communities which make that level of teaching available for free.


Yeah, I know what you mean. I spent a long time last night discussing with my friend about what to do with my deck.

It basically came down to a point where it was like "ok, this deck can definitely get better, but then it loses the flavor that I like about it".

I accept that I likely will not do very well in any serious setting right now, but I have built my deck around what I like and what's available to me.

Figuring out how to draft a deck is definitely a skill set in its own, and it's something I intend on learning eventually (hopefully in the near future).

I fortunately have 5 or 6 friends in this group that I can just bounce questions off of, and considering they all have varying play styles and amounts of experience, I find that my learning tools aren't very limited.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
upperbound
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2300 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 17:17:05
June 27 2013 17:15 GMT
#4507
On June 28 2013 02:03 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 00:43 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On June 28 2013 00:40 captharlock wrote:
On June 28 2013 00:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Off topic:

I'm really starting to get into MtG because I have a group of friends that play competitively. I've played a little in the past, but never with any real drive or desire to learn anything.

I'm now realizing this is gonna be a huge money sink Q.Q



Huge Money Sink. Are you playing MtG: Online or physical card?

From past experience since your playing in a group of friends. Do a card pool. Makes life easier on that money sink.


Well, it's playing with friends, and I want to start going to tournaments as well. Not that I expect to do well at all with my deck, but I've always loved those kinds of tournaments (one of them is the same friend who I went to Melee tournaments with ages ago - Shminkledorf, if Smash sees this).

On June 28 2013 00:41 mordek wrote:
My favorite formats were always sealed deck and booster draft. I love trying to make stuff on the fly. Which is why I like ARAM, that's lol related right? :D


The only draft experience I have so far is boozecube with them a few weeks ago. I have requested that we do a booster draft soon so I can learn drafting and to expand my card pool.

Personally I've always felt limited was the better way to actually get involved in the game seriously. Quite frankly, you can start playing constructed "competitively" by not actually knowing a lot about the game and just piloting someone else's deck. You might see some success, but I personally don't think you learn a lot from that, and you'll get a lot more out of the experience learning to draft first and then *applying* your card evaluation skills from draft to the entire card pool for whatever constructed format you're playing.

As an aside, I think the availability of learning tools for someone getting into magic semi-competitively is absolutely awful. Honestly, when Pat Chapin released his book a few years back it really pissed me off. The guy was a successful Magic player, sure, but the level of information in that book was really, really basic. It's Liquipedia-level basics on card evaluation, tempo, card advantage, etc. and it has a $30 price tag on it, compared to other competitive gaming communities which make that level of teaching available for free.

Constructed in this day and age also demands a pretty hefty up-front price tag considering that the card pool changes so often. I also find it much less satisfying than outplaying the guy that opens 2 bombs with a finely-tuned draft deck.

EDIT: Soniv, unless you find yourself slinging in someone's living room most of the time, go play some limited. Your eyes will be forever opened.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 27 2013 17:18 GMT
#4508
On June 28 2013 00:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Off topic:

I'm really starting to get into MtG because I have a group of friends that play competitively. I've played a little in the past, but never with any real drive or desire to learn anything.

I'm now realizing this is gonna be a huge money sink Q.Q

pff, M:tG.
It's all about Android: Netrunner nowadays. :D
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
captharlock
Profile Joined September 2010
United States223 Posts
June 27 2013 17:23 GMT
#4509
On June 28 2013 02:18 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 00:23 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Off topic:

I'm really starting to get into MtG because I have a group of friends that play competitively. I've played a little in the past, but never with any real drive or desire to learn anything.

I'm now realizing this is gonna be a huge money sink Q.Q

pff, M:tG.
It's all about Android: Netrunner nowadays. :D


what is netrunner?
Baneslayer Angel could be hungover, slightly blind, and texting while flying and still win the game
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
June 27 2013 17:24 GMT
#4510
I've never played Netrunner, but I've had some CCG nuts tell me it's like the best card game ever made.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 27 2013 17:33 GMT
#4511
We Mt:G GD now!
liftlift > tsm
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-27 17:34:26
June 27 2013 17:34 GMT
#4512
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008

It's an asymmetric "Living Card Game". You buy a box starter and additional booster decks. You play as either Corporation or Runner. Corporations are the only side with "Agendas", which are required to win. Corps score Agendas to win. Runners steal Agendas to win, etc.

Obv there's a lot more to this game but I think it's amazing. I'd play it a lot more at my board game nights except it's a 2 player only game, so Catan and Puerto Rico it is instead!

Edit: I feel bad for going off on a tangent but Soniv started it. >_>
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
June 27 2013 17:36 GMT
#4513
Android netrunner is amazing . That's all I have to say about it.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
June 27 2013 17:46 GMT
#4514
am i the only one who dislike spirit guard udyr?

its just so meh.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
June 27 2013 17:49 GMT
#4515
On June 28 2013 02:46 Mensol wrote:
am i the only one who dislike spirit guard udyr?

its just so meh.

You are likely in the minority.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 27 2013 17:51 GMT
#4516
On June 28 2013 02:49 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2013 02:46 Mensol wrote:
am i the only one who dislike spirit guard udyr?

its just so meh.

You are likely in the minority.

I personally thought the design could have been cooler. But, it's still a very nice skin.
liftlift > tsm
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 27 2013 17:54 GMT
#4517
What's a "living" card game? ôo
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
June 27 2013 17:57 GMT
#4518
On June 28 2013 02:54 Alaric wrote:
What's a "living" card game? ôo

The paper that the cards are printed on...

THEY'RE ALIVE
On June 28 2013 02:03 TheYango wrote:
Personally I've always felt limited was the better way to actually get involved in the game seriously. Quite frankly, you can start playing constructed "competitively" by not actually knowing a lot about the game and just piloting someone else's deck. You might see some success, but I personally don't think you learn a lot from that, and you'll get a lot more out of the experience learning to draft first and then *applying* your card evaluation skills from draft to the entire card pool for whatever constructed format you're playing.

This sounds exactly like your theory on items in LoL and DotA, haha.
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
June 27 2013 17:58 GMT
#4519
On June 28 2013 02:54 Alaric wrote:
What's a "living" card game? ôo



Its like a trading card game where you construct a deck, just instead of getting lucky with booster packs you buy a starter kit as well as boosters with a list of cards outside the box.

Just takes the random tradeable part of the game out.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
June 27 2013 17:58 GMT
#4520
On June 28 2013 02:54 Alaric wrote:
What's a "living" card game? ôo

It's a term coined by Fantasy Flight Games for their card games that ditch the "Trading" or "Collectible" part of TCGs/CCGs.

While the game still gets expansions the way a TCG does, you buy the expansions as an entire fixed set. While this means there's no limited play, it also means that there is no secondary market, and the barrier of entry to play the game with the entire card pool is a lot lower.
Moderator
Prev 1 224 225 226 227 228 380 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
20:00
2026 Week 28
IntoTheiNu 1131
RotterdaM688
TKL 291
SteadfastSC200
Rex143
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Serral 697
RotterdaM 688
Lowko398
TKL 291
SteadfastSC 200
Rex 143
LamboSC2 70
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 46600
Leta 943
Soma 928
EffOrt 851
Horang2 795
Larva 463
Light 366
Soulkey 322
Stork 321
Snow 292
[ Show more ]
BeSt 232
Rush 182
Mind 86
Creator 81
hero 66
Hyun 53
Pusan 42
sorry 38
Sexy 31
Bishop 23
Aegong 22
Free 22
Hm[arnc] 22
Sacsri 18
Terrorterran 18
ToSsGirL 17
Shine 17
JYJ 17
HiyA 14
Noble 14
Rock 12
Icarus 6
Dota 2
qojqva2789
syndereN586
XcaliburYe244
Counter-Strike
byalli502
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes379
Other Games
Gorgc3381
singsing2172
B2W.Neo922
hiko919
Mlord299
DeMusliM254
Liquid`VortiX143
Beastyqt101
Hui .55
QueenE25
Chillindude21
fpsfer 0
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• ChaeLyn 6
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1303
League of Legends
• Jankos2020
• TFBlade638
Other Games
• WagamamaTV224
Upcoming Events
IntoTheTV X SOOP
20h 39m
Reynor vs Zoun
Neeb vs Rogue
OSC
1d 8h
FEL
2 days
Patches Events
2 days
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
FEL
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
5 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
The PondCast
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.