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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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On June 25 2013 18:15 Osmoses wrote: I thought they'd fixed the riven extra jump bug, can you still do that? As of last patch I did it by just spamming QQQQQQQQQQQQQ on the run from someone, realized I had 6 jumps on the 4th one and turned to kill someone under tower LOL | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:26 IMoperator wrote: Idk how to do that well then. When it's like 35+ mins in and both teams are dancing around mid/baron you don't really have much time to farm right? I've actually noticed that in a lot of my games, during laning i'll have the best cs out of anyone in the game, then after laning I just end up standing around not doing much farming. I'm pretty sure that's really time inefficient since you're not getting any gold lol. I'm always afraid of a fight breaking out and if i'm off farming somewhere my team could lose really easily. Any tips? Pick something that has great lategame and tunnel on getting CS. Splitting off to a sidelane with a built up wave and pushing that isn't as bad as it seems, at your Elo your opponents are probably too indecisive to capitalize on the numbers advantage. What's more likely to happen is your team derping and engaging into an unneeded fight, so just warn them in chat / ping. Pick up Teleport / play global / splitpush champs while farming sidelanes and you might learn more about decision making as a bonus. Basically in most games, CS is king. Dragon/Baron/turrets are also really important. Kills are meh. | ||
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Capricious_LoL
United States222 Posts
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
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bypLy
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On June 25 2013 18:27 Capped wrote: Your attitude blows, wrong forum. + Show Spoiler + U want ur super duper elite diamond++++++++++++++ only or gtfo forum, its next door.  User was warned for this post I fully agree with this post, despite his warning. On June 25 2013 18:01 IMoperator wrote: I just do not understand how to rank up in this game, it's so random lol. I do decent every game but it doesn't seem to matter  http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/32638477#profile The best tip i can give you, is that you need to make plays with the lead you have. Other than that, the skill-curve in this game can sometimes stop for X amount of time, and suddenly your mind opens up abit more, and you progress and get stuck again. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 25 2013 20:58 Capricious_LoL wrote: No one averages close to 100 cs/min save for the best AD mains at the top of the ladder, at least in the context of solo queue. And even like Turtle and Doublelift potentially might not reach that. In professional games, yes 100 cs/min is a good benchmark, but that's with teams proactively creating space for the carry to farm. It's a nice measurement or ideal to get close to. It's actually not that hard to get to that level of farm if you play split push heavy champion.Also; you have to keep in mind different levels of play; in higher up level of play the reason its harder to get 100cs/min is due to difficulty level of pressure caused by enemy. In diamond or challenger they're not going to let you get away with certain farming timings; while in lower ELO it's much harder to punish splitpushing. 100 cs/per 10 min is always a nice benchmark. On June 25 2013 21:01 TheLink wrote: Also a pretty under-developed aspect of the game is difference in farming ability of champions. Darien Shyvana top style was sweet, top lane always shoved in, never not shoved in and he got to go do something in the 30 seconds between waves. Shame it fell off. It still happens, just at a much later level. With shyv it's possible to do it pre-6; but now a days gotta be around level 8~9 to really abuse wave clear, and at that level people counter wave clear just as easily as you do. I've always been a huge proponent of early tiamat on a huge number of melee champions, because its aoe clear is simply too good not to pass up as a split pusher. | ||
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IMoperator
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On June 25 2013 21:17 IMoperator wrote: While looking through my stats, I think I'm relying waaaay too much on kills to snowball instead of farm like you guys said. Guess that's where i'm gonna try to improve next, thanks for da helpz. You can rely on either and still get super high ELO. I remember iDei from TL playing Pantheon mid in S2. He averaged like 40 cs/game because he would just gank all the time and rape his lane, thus gaining gold from kills. The biggest issue i've come across from playing on my smurf (Currently in Gold 2, been duo'ing alot with bronze's and silvers), is that people can indeed make plays in fights, getting shit like 3 for 0, but then instead of gaining global gold from dragon, baron or turrets, they just back off and go back to farming. If you don't pressure with the lead you get, then kills (or farm for that matter) doesn't mean shit. | ||
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IMoperator
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On June 25 2013 21:23 Sponkz wrote: You can rely on either and still get super high ELO. I remember iDei from TL playing Pantheon mid in S2. He averaged like 40 cs/game because he would just gank all the time and rape his lane, thus gaining gold from kills. The biggest issue i've come across from playing on my smurf (Currently in Gold 2, been duo'ing alot with bronze's and silvers), is that people can indeed make plays in fights, getting shit like 3 for 0, but then instead of gaining global gold from dragon, baron or turrets, they just back off and go back to farming. If you don't pressure with the lead you get, then kills (or farm for that matter) doesn't mean shit. Well like check some of my recent games: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/32638477#history unless I get pretty damn fed early, I almost never win the game because my farming is really bad. I can't consistently destroy my lane, sometimes we go about even and I don't get enough gold from farming to get items to do anything as Zed (my fave champ atm :3). Some games I do dominate my lane, and I usually win those games. I need to work on winning games where I don't have a huge advantage from my lane opponent playing badly, right? | ||
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nyxnyxnyx
Indonesia2978 Posts
On June 25 2013 21:26 IMoperator wrote: Well like check some of my recent games: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/32638477#history unless I get pretty damn fed early, I almost never win the game because my farming is really bad. I can't consistently destroy my lane, sometimes we go about even and I don't get enough gold from farming to get items to do anything as Zed (my fave champ atm :3). Some games I do dominate my lane, and I usually win those games. I need to work on winning games where I don't have a huge advantage from my lane opponent playing badly, right? Kind of. Zed is actually really good for the splitpush/farm-a-lot playstyle. He clears Wraiths really quick and easy too so that will help with getting the moneys. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
Farming in lane can be tough, especially with Zed. He's one of the champs that is a high-risk high reward champion; He snowballs his lane like a boss, but small miss-steps (Blowing W in lane, which results into a gank from the enemy) can put him so behind that even though you normally would cs 5/6 of the wave, the enemy laner can punish you with zoning, denying you a high amount of cs. Another suggestion, if you like to play those snowbally type of champions, is to look your replays up and analyze briefly why you die. Does the same thing result in you dying in a large amount of games? Do you tend to fuck up the usual timing for when junglers usually lvl 3 gank? Do you play too agressive and blow your escapes in lane to continue your dominance? Do you ward properly and act accordingly to what you can see and cannot see on the map? And also, in the games where you do in fact dominate you can analyze abit too. Do you often do the same type of cheese in lane to start your snowball? Are there some match-ups that you have consistently played with success? Do you roam after slamming the shit out of the enemy? Do you atrract the jungler enough with your lead, giving your ally team enough time to recover? It all comes down to you (YES YOU) seeing your own mistakes, analyzing them and then trying to create a better way of handling the games where you do not dominate. It takes time, but eventually you will see it. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 25 2013 21:26 IMoperator wrote: Well like check some of my recent games: http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/32638477#history unless I get pretty damn fed early, I almost never win the game because my farming is really bad. I can't consistently destroy my lane, sometimes we go about even and I don't get enough gold from farming to get items to do anything as Zed (my fave champ atm :3). Some games I do dominate my lane, and I usually win those games. I need to work on winning games where I don't have a huge advantage from my lane opponent playing badly, right? Late in season 2; consistent high farm midlaners were considered the "best". Froggen/toyz/alex ich (special case; can play both super aggressive style, and high farm). High farm is a far more consistent way of playing; so over longer period of time time you'll have a smooth division progression; high kills is generally far more streaky in terms of # of games won in a row. | ||
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IMoperator
4476 Posts
On June 25 2013 21:43 wei2coolman wrote: Late in season 2; consistent high farm midlaners were considered the "best". Froggen/toyz/alex ich (special case; can play both super aggressive style, and high farm). High farm is a far more consistent way of playing; so over longer period of time time you'll have a smooth division progression; high kills is generally far more streaky in terms of # of games won in a row. Well, it's funny that you mention that because you could describe my overall ranked games as streaky. I go from top of gold 4 or something down to gold 5 0 lp in a day, and then a few days later I'll be back up to gold 4 again after a good streak. I have never really had a consistent elo climb, it's just good streaks followed by bad streaks. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On June 25 2013 21:49 IMoperator wrote: Well, it's funny that you mention that because you could describe my overall ranked games as streaky. I go from top of gold 4 or something down to gold 5 0 lp in a day, and then a few days later I'll be back up to gold 4 again after a good streak. I have never really had a consistent elo climb, it's just good streaks followed by bad streaks. Welp; looks like I hit the nail on the head. | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Take me and Soloside as examples. I tend to be an aggressive laner. Soloside generally focuses more on heavy heavy farm (he almost always has highest CS in game by a good margin). That's not to say that I don't farm well - as much as I joke about it - or that he doesn't get kills in lane. It's just our general focuses are opposite each other. Both styles work, it's just more about how you use it. If you're being aggressive and manage to get a kill, use it. Use the extra pressure that your team has now gained on the map. Shove a tower, go steal some enemy jungle, gank a lane. If you're exerting pressure, 1 of 2 things will happen: 1. Their jungler comes to support the lane that has fallen. This alleviated jungle pressure on the rest of your team. 2. Their jungler ignores you - you get free pressure (damage on a turret, stolen jungle, etc.) One of the biggest mistakes, though, is exerting pressure, and then being surprised when the jungler shows up to stop you, and you die to him. This completely undoes any progress you've made, and actually probably hurts your team more than you helped. You have to be proactive, whether you're focusing farm or aggression. You need to think "hey, if I go farm this, someone could show up to stop me" or "my laner is gone, I need to make something of this". "Their blue is about to come up? Ok, their mid/jungler will probably be over there to take it, what can I do in the meantime?" Going through the motions is what causes you to stagnate and be inconsistent in your games. Always be on your toes, especially if you're mid. Disclaimer: Idk if you guys were talking about mid specifically, but I saw froggen/alex ich/toyz mentioned. Which style is better? Idk, it's hard to really say + Show Spoiler + BUT SOLOSIDE ISN'T DIAMOND HUEHUEHUEHUE | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
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CS is a metric of how well you are playing. Kills are a metric of how well you capitalize on your opponents' mistakes. Nothing's set in stone but if your harass and farm are better than the people at your level then you'll probably have a considerable advantage over them. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Navi
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