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On June 25 2013 15:46 caelym wrote:
LCS Season 4 could possibly challenge NHL numbers...
Yup easily. Especially considering how much easier it is to access a we livestream compared to national television, and how much easier it is to pick up LoL than Hockey.
That being said, the NHL makes a ton more money off of each unique view than Riot does. Major TV networks get much more ad revenue than streaming does.
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On June 25 2013 15:51 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 15:42 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:31 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:25 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:20 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 14:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 25 2013 14:14 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 13:56 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 13:48 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 13:21 xes wrote:
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What made BW exciting for me in part was the coaching and which players to send out when, especially when lower-tier players could come out with crazy sniper strategies.
This also created a culture where the opportunity for involvement in eSports is larger than have a fixed roster. You also get to prepare better and give your star players some rest if you don't need to secure wins.
Obviously a set of 5v5 matches is much different than multiple 1v1 matches, but I don't think your specified worst-case scenarios are that bad.
Having more players who specialize in a style of play will allow teams to field much more interesting strategies, provided that they can somehow maintain team synergy with more than 5 revolving players. The difference is that there were individual leagues like the OGN StarLeague, and MSL, where the individual greatness of various players shone the brightest, that compensated for the rigid machine-like efficiency of the team-based ProLeagues. There were numerous players who essentially ended up being degenerated to single match-up snipers, or throw-away strategic cards. Mind-games and strategic flexibility of the players were reduced substantially due to the heavy role of player selection for the "optimal" match-ups, and what often ended up happening was that the players ended up being mere vessels of the strategic picture the team as a whole ended up conjuring as a whole. In fact, the ProLeague heavily favoured companies that had more personel in their support staff crew, with the role of professional players diminishing to a certain degree. There's more possibilities than what I've mentioned. Teams could end up having a whole crew of "substitutes in waiting" that practice solely for certain strategies according to what the next metagame, or future patches could bring. A team with the necessary finance could just have every single variety of the game mastered by each of their specialists waiting for a suitable patch, waiting to be included in the roster in the future as soon as the current metagame goes out of fashion. Professional players might become just temporary cards constantly being switched around, with no stories of adaptation, and personal redemption. Lets be honest, erryone liked teamleague the best... Really? The rivalry between Boxer and Yellow, Garimto's return to greatness, the birth of the Hero Toss, the rise of the unstoppable force that was Nada, the genius of Nal Ra, the epic aggression of July that overcome all odds, the cool-calculated management of Go Rush, the miracle tournament debut of Anytime, the final nobody expected Bisu to win, Stork mimicking Yellow in the finals, the inevitable domination from Jaedong, followed an even stupendous domination from Flash, to the final clash of between Jangbi and Fantasy. So much storylines would not have been made had the individual leagues not existed. teamleague is the most important one for sure though, both in terms of "it's the one you're supposed to cheer for" (everyone always says they place proleague as top priority in interviews) and in terms of raw numbers for the finals. All those epic beach shots are for proleague finals, not for individual leagues. The discussion is swaying into the wrong direction, but I'll just conclude by saying that the direction Riot Gaming is taking with their compulsory seven men rosters could be abused to a greater degree where it will become reminiscent of the ProLeague, rather than the individual leagues I've mentioned. Yes, the level of gaming and competition would become higher, but the role of the professional players becomes much less important, and the relative power of the organizations the players belong to will start to play a greater role. So much so that going to the right team, and signing the right contracts becomes much more influencial to the success of a player than his personal attributes as a competitive gamer. It's a growing pain that comes with the scene developing as a legitimate business, but one that hurts the natural curiosity of spectators like me. The ProLeague events were always promoted more, and had much more financial backings of the sponsors, so it's only natural that it turned out that way. However, for me at least, the external factors that influenced the results of these competitions were too great to truly represent the pure gaming abilities of these enormously gifted individuals, and that detached me to a certain extent. It becomes more of a business, a microcosm of a complicated world that I have pulled away from to enjoy something that is pure, and innocent at its basics. Its not even necessarily a sponsor thing. Team sports just more successful than individual sports. There more successful team sports, and they all more successful than the most successful 1v1 sport (MMA) Tennis is more successful as MMA I would guess Nope. Last major tennis tournament (sony eriksson cup) got 301,000 viewers world wide. UFC gets that many views every three weeks on 60 dollar PPV events just from NA alone. In comparison, the average viewership for the NHL playoffs was just under 1.5 million in the States and 2.9 million in Canada. The NBA Game 7 of the Finals drew 26.3 million viewers. Teamsports just crush individual sports in terms of popularity; more people get to compete, more people play, more people are interested. More story lines, can stay loyal to samne team for a long time dont need to jump ship and learn new storylines. Link ?pretty sure that in Europe MMA is not famous at all
First link on google:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Source-UFC-on-FX-8-Draws-13-Million-Viewers-on-Saturday-Night-52669
Much lower than the other link I got.
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Korea (South)11232 Posts
On June 25 2013 15:57 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 15:51 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:42 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:31 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:25 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:20 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 14:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 25 2013 14:14 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 13:56 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 13:48 Letmelose wrote:
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The difference is that there were individual leagues like the OGN StarLeague, and MSL, where the individual greatness of various players shone the brightest, that compensated for the rigid machine-like efficiency of the team-based ProLeagues. There were numerous players who essentially ended up being degenerated to single match-up snipers, or throw-away strategic cards. Mind-games and strategic flexibility of the players were reduced substantially due to the heavy role of player selection for the "optimal" match-ups, and what often ended up happening was that the players ended up being mere vessels of the strategic picture the team as a whole ended up conjuring as a whole. In fact, the ProLeague heavily favoured companies that had more personel in their support staff crew, with the role of professional players diminishing to a certain degree.
There's more possibilities than what I've mentioned. Teams could end up having a whole crew of "substitutes in waiting" that practice solely for certain strategies according to what the next metagame, or future patches could bring. A team with the necessary finance could just have every single variety of the game mastered by each of their specialists waiting for a suitable patch, waiting to be included in the roster in the future as soon as the current metagame goes out of fashion. Professional players might become just temporary cards constantly being switched around, with no stories of adaptation, and personal redemption. Lets be honest, erryone liked teamleague the best... Really? The rivalry between Boxer and Yellow, Garimto's return to greatness, the birth of the Hero Toss, the rise of the unstoppable force that was Nada, the genius of Nal Ra, the epic aggression of July that overcome all odds, the cool-calculated management of Go Rush, the miracle tournament debut of Anytime, the final nobody expected Bisu to win, Stork mimicking Yellow in the finals, the inevitable domination from Jaedong, followed an even stupendous domination from Flash, to the final clash of between Jangbi and Fantasy. So much storylines would not have been made had the individual leagues not existed. teamleague is the most important one for sure though, both in terms of "it's the one you're supposed to cheer for" (everyone always says they place proleague as top priority in interviews) and in terms of raw numbers for the finals. All those epic beach shots are for proleague finals, not for individual leagues. The discussion is swaying into the wrong direction, but I'll just conclude by saying that the direction Riot Gaming is taking with their compulsory seven men rosters could be abused to a greater degree where it will become reminiscent of the ProLeague, rather than the individual leagues I've mentioned. Yes, the level of gaming and competition would become higher, but the role of the professional players becomes much less important, and the relative power of the organizations the players belong to will start to play a greater role. So much so that going to the right team, and signing the right contracts becomes much more influencial to the success of a player than his personal attributes as a competitive gamer. It's a growing pain that comes with the scene developing as a legitimate business, but one that hurts the natural curiosity of spectators like me. The ProLeague events were always promoted more, and had much more financial backings of the sponsors, so it's only natural that it turned out that way. However, for me at least, the external factors that influenced the results of these competitions were too great to truly represent the pure gaming abilities of these enormously gifted individuals, and that detached me to a certain extent. It becomes more of a business, a microcosm of a complicated world that I have pulled away from to enjoy something that is pure, and innocent at its basics. Its not even necessarily a sponsor thing. Team sports just more successful than individual sports. There more successful team sports, and they all more successful than the most successful 1v1 sport (MMA) Tennis is more successful as MMA I would guess Nope. Last major tennis tournament (sony eriksson cup) got 301,000 viewers world wide. UFC gets that many views every three weeks on 60 dollar PPV events just from NA alone. In comparison, the average viewership for the NHL playoffs was just under 1.5 million in the States and 2.9 million in Canada. The NBA Game 7 of the Finals drew 26.3 million viewers. Teamsports just crush individual sports in terms of popularity; more people get to compete, more people play, more people are interested. More story lines, can stay loyal to samne team for a long time dont need to jump ship and learn new storylines. Link ?pretty sure that in Europe MMA is not famous at all First link on google: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Source-UFC-on-FX-8-Draws-13-Million-Viewers-on-Saturday-Night-52669Much lower than the other link I got.
Wimbledon had 17 Million last year only on BBC
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On June 25 2013 16:04 Chexx wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 15:57 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:51 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:42 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:31 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:25 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:20 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 14:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 25 2013 14:14 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 13:56 iCanada wrote:
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Lets be honest, erryone liked teamleague the best... Really? The rivalry between Boxer and Yellow, Garimto's return to greatness, the birth of the Hero Toss, the rise of the unstoppable force that was Nada, the genius of Nal Ra, the epic aggression of July that overcome all odds, the cool-calculated management of Go Rush, the miracle tournament debut of Anytime, the final nobody expected Bisu to win, Stork mimicking Yellow in the finals, the inevitable domination from Jaedong, followed an even stupendous domination from Flash, to the final clash of between Jangbi and Fantasy. So much storylines would not have been made had the individual leagues not existed. teamleague is the most important one for sure though, both in terms of "it's the one you're supposed to cheer for" (everyone always says they place proleague as top priority in interviews) and in terms of raw numbers for the finals. All those epic beach shots are for proleague finals, not for individual leagues. The discussion is swaying into the wrong direction, but I'll just conclude by saying that the direction Riot Gaming is taking with their compulsory seven men rosters could be abused to a greater degree where it will become reminiscent of the ProLeague, rather than the individual leagues I've mentioned. Yes, the level of gaming and competition would become higher, but the role of the professional players becomes much less important, and the relative power of the organizations the players belong to will start to play a greater role. So much so that going to the right team, and signing the right contracts becomes much more influencial to the success of a player than his personal attributes as a competitive gamer. It's a growing pain that comes with the scene developing as a legitimate business, but one that hurts the natural curiosity of spectators like me. The ProLeague events were always promoted more, and had much more financial backings of the sponsors, so it's only natural that it turned out that way. However, for me at least, the external factors that influenced the results of these competitions were too great to truly represent the pure gaming abilities of these enormously gifted individuals, and that detached me to a certain extent. It becomes more of a business, a microcosm of a complicated world that I have pulled away from to enjoy something that is pure, and innocent at its basics. Its not even necessarily a sponsor thing. Team sports just more successful than individual sports. There more successful team sports, and they all more successful than the most successful 1v1 sport (MMA) Tennis is more successful as MMA I would guess Nope. Last major tennis tournament (sony eriksson cup) got 301,000 viewers world wide. UFC gets that many views every three weeks on 60 dollar PPV events just from NA alone. In comparison, the average viewership for the NHL playoffs was just under 1.5 million in the States and 2.9 million in Canada. The NBA Game 7 of the Finals drew 26.3 million viewers. Teamsports just crush individual sports in terms of popularity; more people get to compete, more people play, more people are interested. More story lines, can stay loyal to samne team for a long time dont need to jump ship and learn new storylines. Link ?pretty sure that in Europe MMA is not famous at all First link on google: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Source-UFC-on-FX-8-Draws-13-Million-Viewers-on-Saturday-Night-52669Much lower than the other link I got. Wimbledon had 17 Million last year only on BBC
Fair enough. I just googled "Tennis viewership" checked two or three links.
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Speaking of Shyv earlier, played a game with Shyv vs Rammus (he picked into it even), this was how well it worked out for him by 14:11. He had 31 cs and was 0/3/1, that matchup has not changed much since S2.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CpiQFuJ.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fIycZwN.png)
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On June 25 2013 14:55 Zooper31 wrote:
Ok Jayce is MASSIVELY BUGGED. His E knockback is atm flinging people backwards about 500range, like a Singed/Volibear flip, except 3times as far. He's done it about 10 times in my game and is exploiting the shit out of it and is denying anything is wrong at all.
He just switches into melee, hits you with E and normally you would fly back normally for your knockback. He does it and you fly towards him and like 200range behind his character like you just flew there.
Just lost my promo because of it and he denied he was doing anything wrong and was being very douchey, I guess I have to perma ban Jayce in ranked until Riot disables him. Everyone in the game saw him doing it and admitted it was 100% unfair and a bug.
I think there are a lot of bugs like that, yesterday as I watched WoD stream something weird happened, when he reached 6 he engaged (as Riven) a Rengar who was still level 5, it was a sure kill but Rengar suddenly became stealth (he was 5 so no ult) for ~0.5s then back to normal then stealth again, a little bit like KhaZix ult... and it saved him.
Made me wonder, are there hacks in LoL ? Because I never heard of hacks which is weird for a game that largely played and some kind of maphack would give you such a big advantage..
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Everything is server basedso hacks are very hard to make, and kinda rely on weird backdoor oversights in patchs.
Besides if you want to win, pretty sure it's easier to make your opponents drop than it is to hack league servers
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On June 25 2013 16:09 iCanada wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 16:04 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:57 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:51 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:42 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:31 Chexx wrote:On June 25 2013 15:25 iCanada wrote:On June 25 2013 15:20 Letmelose wrote:On June 25 2013 14:46 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:On June 25 2013 14:14 Letmelose wrote:
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Really? The rivalry between Boxer and Yellow, Garimto's return to greatness, the birth of the Hero Toss, the rise of the unstoppable force that was Nada, the genius of Nal Ra, the epic aggression of July that overcome all odds, the cool-calculated management of Go Rush, the miracle tournament debut of Anytime, the final nobody expected Bisu to win, Stork mimicking Yellow in the finals, the inevitable domination from Jaedong, followed an even stupendous domination from Flash, to the final clash of between Jangbi and Fantasy. So much storylines would not have been made had the individual leagues not existed. teamleague is the most important one for sure though, both in terms of "it's the one you're supposed to cheer for" (everyone always says they place proleague as top priority in interviews) and in terms of raw numbers for the finals. All those epic beach shots are for proleague finals, not for individual leagues. The discussion is swaying into the wrong direction, but I'll just conclude by saying that the direction Riot Gaming is taking with their compulsory seven men rosters could be abused to a greater degree where it will become reminiscent of the ProLeague, rather than the individual leagues I've mentioned. Yes, the level of gaming and competition would become higher, but the role of the professional players becomes much less important, and the relative power of the organizations the players belong to will start to play a greater role. So much so that going to the right team, and signing the right contracts becomes much more influencial to the success of a player than his personal attributes as a competitive gamer. It's a growing pain that comes with the scene developing as a legitimate business, but one that hurts the natural curiosity of spectators like me. The ProLeague events were always promoted more, and had much more financial backings of the sponsors, so it's only natural that it turned out that way. However, for me at least, the external factors that influenced the results of these competitions were too great to truly represent the pure gaming abilities of these enormously gifted individuals, and that detached me to a certain extent. It becomes more of a business, a microcosm of a complicated world that I have pulled away from to enjoy something that is pure, and innocent at its basics. Its not even necessarily a sponsor thing. Team sports just more successful than individual sports. There more successful team sports, and they all more successful than the most successful 1v1 sport (MMA) Tennis is more successful as MMA I would guess Nope. Last major tennis tournament (sony eriksson cup) got 301,000 viewers world wide. UFC gets that many views every three weeks on 60 dollar PPV events just from NA alone. In comparison, the average viewership for the NHL playoffs was just under 1.5 million in the States and 2.9 million in Canada. The NBA Game 7 of the Finals drew 26.3 million viewers. Teamsports just crush individual sports in terms of popularity; more people get to compete, more people play, more people are interested. More story lines, can stay loyal to samne team for a long time dont need to jump ship and learn new storylines. Link ?pretty sure that in Europe MMA is not famous at all First link on google: http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Source-UFC-on-FX-8-Draws-13-Million-Viewers-on-Saturday-Night-52669Much lower than the other link I got. Wimbledon had 17 Million last year only on BBC Fair enough. I just googled "Tennis viewership" checked two or three links.
Yeah I was scratching my head when you cited Sony Ericcson Cup as a major event.... Only 4 Majors in Tennis, Australian, French, Wimbledon, and American.
Not to mention; tennis super stars are household names (even in America despite lack of amazing players as of recent); UFC names aren't.
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There was that clip of a Singed running a speed hack or w/e.
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All this Shyv talk is getting me hot and bothered. Can't wait to get her back into the jungle when I'm tired of XCOM again.
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On June 25 2013 10:22 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:19 Erasme wrote:
ok so i just created my account, what do i have to do to play with my higher levels friends ? Lvl3? What do you mean? Unless it's changed, you just ask your friends to play with you.
Yes it changed. You need to be lieve 3 or 5 (i don't remember) to play against humans. That probably what he is talking about. You need to play against bots.
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On June 25 2013 16:47 Gahlo wrote:
All this Shyv talk is getting me hot and bothered. Can't wait to get her back into the jungle when I'm tired of XCOM again.
I think 3.9 will bring her up to full form (assuming the changes for her hit), although the lack of armor shred on E seems scary, might be good still however. Either way 5 armor and MR at lvl 1 sounds pretty nice along with the other stuff.
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On June 25 2013 16:54 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 16:47 Gahlo wrote:
All this Shyv talk is getting me hot and bothered. Can't wait to get her back into the jungle when I'm tired of XCOM again. I think 3.9 will bring her up to full form (assuming the changes for her hit), although the lack of armor shred on E seems scary, might be good still however. Either way 5 armor and MR at lvl 1 sounds pretty nice along with the other stuff.
I always found that funny about her kit; her early damage is actually plenty of magic damage, but her E shredded armor.
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On June 25 2013 16:27 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 14:55 Zooper31 wrote:
Ok Jayce is MASSIVELY BUGGED. His E knockback is atm flinging people backwards about 500range, like a Singed/Volibear flip, except 3times as far. He's done it about 10 times in my game and is exploiting the shit out of it and is denying anything is wrong at all.
He just switches into melee, hits you with E and normally you would fly back normally for your knockback. He does it and you fly towards him and like 200range behind his character like you just flew there.
Just lost my promo because of it and he denied he was doing anything wrong and was being very douchey, I guess I have to perma ban Jayce in ranked until Riot disables him. Everyone in the game saw him doing it and admitted it was 100% unfair and a bug. I think there are a lot of bugs like that, yesterday as I watched WoD stream something weird happened, when he reached 6 he engaged (as Riven) a Rengar who was still level 5, it was a sure kill but Rengar suddenly became stealth (he was 5 so no ult) for ~0.5s then back to normal then stealth again, a little bit like KhaZix ult... and it saved him. Made me wonder, are there hacks in LoL ? Because I never heard of hacks which is weird for a game that largely played and some kind of maphack would give you such a big advantage..
I smartcast my riven q and sometimes i get 5-6 jumps with no cooldown
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United States37500 Posts
On June 25 2013 13:44 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 13:40 Amui wrote:On June 25 2013 13:37 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 13:33 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 13:06 overt wrote:On June 25 2013 12:39 Brambled wrote:On June 25 2013 12:32 HazMat wrote:
Anyone else notice how the colored pony logo says "TL Loves Esports, equally" if you highlight over it? Is that not counting League or what? Was wondering same thing. Anyone able to give me a quick TL:DR reason why it seems TL decided to endorse Dota 2 exclusively? I have no issues with Dota 2; but it just seems they are a little more favored on this site. It's because all of TL's staff hates League of Legends obvs. More serious, they picked up DotA2 because DotA as a game has a long and storied history. Much like Brood War/SC2. League does not. The TL community, not just their staff, also preferred SC2 and DotA2 in general (which I think is echoed in how small our LoL community is by comparison). Furthermore there seem to be few higher up staff members interested/knowledgeable enough in professional LoL to really pick it up at this time. You wouldn't want TL to pick up LoL officially the way they did SC2/DotA2 and half ass it. Neo became an admin fairly recently. We got new banlings. I'm sure it's something they intend on doing down the road if the League scene stays big. And it almost certainly will. This gets brought up all the time on GD and it's probably the worst place to bring it up since everyone here will (mostly) agree that TL should pick up LoL. Or at least that they should at some point. I don't browse much of the rest of TL but if there is a thread, or if one ever pops up, about website suggestions or something I'd bring it up there. Also I don't think the, "We love ESPORTS Equally," was meant as a sleight in any way to LoL. edit: Official statement they made when they picked up DotA2 plus the announcement thread. + Show Spoiler +We understand that League right now is the biggest game with the largest player base. But this isn't purely a business or numbers decision for TL. At this moment, taking into account our existing core audience (StarCraft fans), we believe that Dota 2 should be the game we add to our coverage. It "fits" TL's style, and it's very popular among our staff, who play and watch the game as well as visit sites like r/dota2. We already have an active Dota 2 forum, and pro Dota 2 players are streaming using our stream list. Though no TL game expansion can compare to us adding StarCraft 2 two years ago, this is a similar situation where all the pieces are already in place.
This doesn't mean we hate League of Legends or that it has no place on TL. In fact, we have many fans of professional LoL on TL and they and our staff have done some amazing forum-based coverage of LoL tournaments, such as MLG Summer Arena or IEM Cologne. We're not ruling out adding League, but right now we feel that Dota 2 fits us more. That's a pretty concise explanation of the entire situation. Except they like us enough to give us pens! I think that gives us pseudo-acceptance lol. They're just bribing you. Anyway, we're all forgetting the real crime here: the competitive Pokemon scene is going wildly overlooked and underloved on TL. There's not even a mod specifically for Pokeposts, I mean come on. What heartless bastards There's no thread praying to our costco overlords either, so TL still has a ways to go. I wonder how tired Neo gets of our shit.
I'd appreciate it if we were on topic more rather than less.
On June 25 2013 13:45 upperbound wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 13:44 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 13:40 Amui wrote:On June 25 2013 13:37 Requizen wrote:On June 25 2013 13:33 onlywonderboy wrote:On June 25 2013 13:06 overt wrote:On June 25 2013 12:39 Brambled wrote:On June 25 2013 12:32 HazMat wrote:
Anyone else notice how the colored pony logo says "TL Loves Esports, equally" if you highlight over it? Is that not counting League or what? Was wondering same thing. Anyone able to give me a quick TL:DR reason why it seems TL decided to endorse Dota 2 exclusively? I have no issues with Dota 2; but it just seems they are a little more favored on this site. It's because all of TL's staff hates League of Legends obvs. More serious, they picked up DotA2 because DotA as a game has a long and storied history. Much like Brood War/SC2. League does not. The TL community, not just their staff, also preferred SC2 and DotA2 in general (which I think is echoed in how small our LoL community is by comparison). Furthermore there seem to be few higher up staff members interested/knowledgeable enough in professional LoL to really pick it up at this time. You wouldn't want TL to pick up LoL officially the way they did SC2/DotA2 and half ass it. Neo became an admin fairly recently. We got new banlings. I'm sure it's something they intend on doing down the road if the League scene stays big. And it almost certainly will. This gets brought up all the time on GD and it's probably the worst place to bring it up since everyone here will (mostly) agree that TL should pick up LoL. Or at least that they should at some point. I don't browse much of the rest of TL but if there is a thread, or if one ever pops up, about website suggestions or something I'd bring it up there. Also I don't think the, "We love ESPORTS Equally," was meant as a sleight in any way to LoL. edit: Official statement they made when they picked up DotA2 plus the announcement thread. + Show Spoiler +We understand that League right now is the biggest game with the largest player base. But this isn't purely a business or numbers decision for TL. At this moment, taking into account our existing core audience (StarCraft fans), we believe that Dota 2 should be the game we add to our coverage. It "fits" TL's style, and it's very popular among our staff, who play and watch the game as well as visit sites like r/dota2. We already have an active Dota 2 forum, and pro Dota 2 players are streaming using our stream list. Though no TL game expansion can compare to us adding StarCraft 2 two years ago, this is a similar situation where all the pieces are already in place.
This doesn't mean we hate League of Legends or that it has no place on TL. In fact, we have many fans of professional LoL on TL and they and our staff have done some amazing forum-based coverage of LoL tournaments, such as MLG Summer Arena or IEM Cologne. We're not ruling out adding League, but right now we feel that Dota 2 fits us more. That's a pretty concise explanation of the entire situation. Except they like us enough to give us pens! I think that gives us pseudo-acceptance lol. They're just bribing you. Anyway, we're all forgetting the real crime here: the competitive Pokemon scene is going wildly overlooked and underloved on TL. There's not even a mod specifically for Pokeposts, I mean come on. What heartless bastards There's no thread praying to our costco overlords either, so TL still has a ways to go. I wonder how tired Neo gets of our shit. Who cares, CLG beat C9 and TSM this week
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P.S. diaf Shake.
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United States23455 Posts
Was two inhibs down, opposing Thresh trash talking me, and they were pushing into our base. He stays too long, he dies when I respawn, and then we rush down the tier 2 mid, base turret (while killing their Teemo and Warwick), and then while we're all around 5%, the Thresh tries to 1v5 us and dies, allowing us to win a mightily thrown game. Then I check and find out the dude is in fucking Plat.
Fuck you, Thresh.
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I realiced yesterday that I missed the TPA skins because I was studying instead of playing whenever they came out. Im a sad panda, I wanted that nunu 
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On June 25 2013 16:49 ArcTimes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 10:22 ketchup wrote:On June 25 2013 10:19 Erasme wrote:
ok so i just created my account, what do i have to do to play with my higher levels friends ? Lvl3? What do you mean? Unless it's changed, you just ask your friends to play with you. Yes it changed. You need to be lieve 3 or 5 (i don't remember) to play against humans. That probably what he is talking about. You need to play against bots.
In my opinion, it's a bad change. I cba to play against bot with teammates that don't bother pushing
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On June 25 2013 17:23 Fionn wrote:
Was two inhibs down, opposing Thresh trash talking me, and they were pushing into our base. He stays too long, he dies when I respawn, and then we rush down the tier 2 mid, base turret (while killing their Teemo and Warwick), and then while we're all around 5%, the Thresh tries to 1v5 us and dies, allowing us to win a mightily thrown game. Then I check and find out the dude is in fucking Plat.
Fuck you, Thresh.
YEAH F**K YOU, OP ASS SUPPORT CHAMP
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On June 25 2013 17:32 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 16:49 ArcTimes wrote:On June 25 2013 10:22 ketchup wrote:On June 25 2013 10:19 Erasme wrote:
ok so i just created my account, what do i have to do to play with my higher levels friends ? Lvl3? What do you mean? Unless it's changed, you just ask your friends to play with you. Yes it changed. You need to be lieve 3 or 5 (i don't remember) to play against humans. That probably what he is talking about. You need to play against bots. In my opinion, it's a bad change. I cba to play against bot with teammates that don't bother pushing
Bot games for me are "pick cait and afkpush, cause I want that WOTD damnit."
On June 25 2013 16:54 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 16:47 Gahlo wrote:
All this Shyv talk is getting me hot and bothered. Can't wait to get her back into the jungle when I'm tired of XCOM again. I think 3.9 will bring her up to full form (assuming the changes for her hit), although the lack of armor shred on E seems scary, might be good still however. Either way 5 armor and MR at lvl 1 sounds pretty nice along with the other stuff.
Butts, I though the current patch had the changed. These long PBE turnovers are messing with my head.
On June 25 2013 16:27 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2013 14:55 Zooper31 wrote:
Ok Jayce is MASSIVELY BUGGED. His E knockback is atm flinging people backwards about 500range, like a Singed/Volibear flip, except 3times as far. He's done it about 10 times in my game and is exploiting the shit out of it and is denying anything is wrong at all.
He just switches into melee, hits you with E and normally you would fly back normally for your knockback. He does it and you fly towards him and like 200range behind his character like you just flew there.
Just lost my promo because of it and he denied he was doing anything wrong and was being very douchey, I guess I have to perma ban Jayce in ranked until Riot disables him. Everyone in the game saw him doing it and admitted it was 100% unfair and a bug. I think there are a lot of bugs like that, yesterday as I watched WoD stream something weird happened, when he reached 6 he engaged (as Riven) a Rengar who was still level 5, it was a sure kill but Rengar suddenly became stealth (he was 5 so no ult) for ~0.5s then back to normal then stealth again, a little bit like KhaZix ult... and it saved him. Made me wonder, are there hacks in LoL ? Because I never heard of hacks which is weird for a game that largely played and some kind of maphack would give you such a big advantage..
League is hard to hack because so much of the game happens server side. A lot of the standard RTS type things, for example fog of war, are impossible or super duper difficult. I did see a YouTube video that had a hack that showed turret range overlay.
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