EPTedit:Also oneshotting ranged creeps too fun.So that's a point for ad >.>.
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
edit:Also oneshotting ranged creeps too fun.So that's a point for ad >.>. | ||
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Lord Tolkien
United States12084 Posts
On June 22 2013 02:31 nafta wrote: The difference is really small.Most times it doesn't even matter.Personally I run ad because I don't have the space for an arpen page. More or less. :p AD is better for last hitting (but you are Draven) and the very early levels, while ArPen technically scales better, and works better with champions that have high base spell damages (Draven's passive, for instance) and get LW. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On June 22 2013 02:28 Sandster wrote: Take it as a sign that the world is telling you to stop playing Taric >:o So he should try it with Leona instead?  | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On June 21 2013 23:56 WaveofShadow wrote: I'm a little late to respond to this as well, but GUESS WHERE I WAS YESTERDAY + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/CtAJljQ.jpg) I told my wife why I was taking this picture and she thought it was funny. Brag thread is that way <== EDIT: Oh god the arrow is so close to the actual thread atm XD | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
One of the difference here between ashe and some hyper carry (e.g. trist, kog, vayne) is the kiting she offers. The kiting seemed to me like it serves as an interesting response to ez's strong kiting / slowing... making it difficult or riskier for Ez to keep an enemy team perma-slowed while the enemy team retreats. TLDR: Ashe vs Ez in lane? How is ashe's powerlevel midgame compared to pre-muramana ez? and theoretically does ashe's ability to long range aoe slow serve as a strong hinderance to late-game blue buff ez's team-fighting style? | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On June 22 2013 03:09 Dgiese wrote: So, I've got a question aimed at higher division AD carry mains. Ashe as a pick in response to a blue Ez. I saw the Gambit vs ATN game and was trying to think about it from a theoretical perspective. Ignoring other stuff like teammates etc (which obviously are a big factor), is Ashe a good pick in response to Blue build Ez. Ashe has a notoriously weak early - mid (ignoring her decent level 1), while a blue build Ez also has a midgame lull until muramana is done. So, in lane pre 6 is ashe is Ez too strong for her to come out even? Going in to midgame pre-muramana is Ez still weak enough that an ashe could be on even footing? And going into mid late does ashe's volley spam and ultimate present a good response to Blue ez's style of play? One of the difference here between ashe and some hyper carry (e.g. trist, kog, vayne) is the kiting she offers. The kiting seemed to me like it serves as an interesting response to ez's strong kiting / slowing... making it difficult or riskier for Ez to keep an enemy team perma-slowed while the enemy team retreats. TLDR: Ashe vs Ez in lane? How is ashe's powerlevel midgame compared to pre-muramana ez? and theoretically does ashe's ability to long range aoe slow serve as a strong hinderance to late-game blue buff ez's team-fighting style? If you want to play ashe just play ashe.You can do decently in lane it depends a lot on supports though(even more than usual because you both aren't that strong early).If you just pick a high damage carry very often you just kill their team and it doesn't even matter if you can catch their ez. Personally I'd go varus instead since he is very similar but he actually does damage. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Specifically interested in the TLDR points that I mentioned. ashe vs ez in lane, if ashe can keep up in midgame with ez's pre muramana lull, and how ashes aoe slows affect lategame teamfight ez's playstyle. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
Ashe Qs also trigger tear making her muramana come up very quickly as well. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
Also, not talking about Genja's build with muramana. Just talkin' bout ashe vs ez theoretically. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On June 22 2013 03:24 Dgiese wrote: I'm not asking for me. I'm trying to get a higher level theoretical discussion going. I'm talking about LCS level play, not for myself. Specifically interested in the TLDR points that I mentioned. ashe vs ez in lane, if ashe can keep up in midgame with ez's pre muramana lull, and how ashes aoe slows affect lategame teamfight ez's playstyle. But I'm pretty sure the answer to why ashe was picked in lane is as simple as he said : he just wanted to pick it. Genja responded to an interview about picking ashe and basically said that : pick the hero you wanna play if you can. Genja like Ashe, his team agreed with him picking Ashe, he picked Ashe. | ||
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Kyrie
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
My specific questions are regarding ashe and ez, and the interaction between the two... accordingly it didn't feel right to post in one or both of the specific champion threads. | ||
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Vanka
China1336 Posts
Ashe won't do anything to stop blue Ez kiting, however, considering she kites the other team, and unless she puts herself in insane danger by being next to the enemy ad, she's not going to get to him either. She can hit the arrow to cc lock for followup by your team, but it's also a fairly slow moving skillshot, meaning it's relatively easy to blink out of for ez. | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On June 22 2013 03:41 Vanka wrote: Ez is the type of champ that is an extremely easy match up if you are good at dodging skillshots or the enemy is bad at hitting them, which has the habit of backfiring on you horribily when you face an actual good ez because his damage output is actually significant in lane if he lands his stuff. In terms of autos, ashe has both volley which is easier to hit that ez q, and the auto range advantage, so it is quite literally a skill matchup, since the poke war can easily go either way. Ashe won't do anything to stop blue Ez kiting, however, considering she kites the other team, and unless she puts herself in insane danger by being next to the enemy ad, she's not going to get to him either. She can hit the arrow to cc lock for followup by your team, but it's also a fairly slow moving skillshot, meaning it's relatively easy to blink out of for ez. The dynamic that I'm envisaging is the point where a fight turn from 'Blue Ez defensively kiting -> Enemies chasing Ez' to 'Enemies run from Ez -> Blue Ez chases enemies'. At such a point it seems that Ashe offers an excellent response, and diminishes the effectiveness of Blue Ez significantly, considered that Blue Ez relies on a drawn out fight, culminating in him chasing down an enemy team, to compensate for his lack of straight up damage. Ashe seems like an effective way to negate a significant portion of Blue Ez's utility, rendering the build ultimately lacklustre given that it already sacrifices damage in favor of utility. That being said, I might be missing something in their late game interaction. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Was about to post something and that new little button next to "PM" caught my eye. | ||
AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 22 2013 03:50 WaveofShadow wrote: So.....TL+? Was about to post something and that new little button next to "PM" caught my eye. The news is out! | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
WHAT MANNER OF WITCHCRAFT HAVE YOU BROUGHT WITH YOU Seriously though, as 'sell-out-y' as it appears, decent enough way for TL to make money. Pretty transparent about it too which is nice. I'm kind of interested to see what the 'gold posts' if any crop up in this subforum will be. | ||
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On June 22 2013 03:54 WaveofShadow wrote: You bastards who came over here from Reddit. WHAT MANNER OF WITCHCRAFT HAVE YOU BROUGHT WITH YOU Seriously though, as 'sell-out-y' as it appears, decent enough way for TL to make money. Pretty transparent about it too which is nice. I'm kind of interested to see what the 'gold posts' if any crop up in this subforum will be. I can tell you it won't be Alaric... there's a word limit. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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United States3130 Posts
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South Africa35471 Posts
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