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zer0das
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States8519 Posts
June 20 2013 09:32 GMT
#2541
I really hope that doesn't catch on, last thing I want is a Riven coming to top lane with red buff, level 2, and a red pot. -_-
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
June 20 2013 09:35 GMT
#2542
On June 20 2013 18:16 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 18:00 zodde wrote:
If the first death still is a 13% reduction, the values will look like this next patch:

Deaths Gold Value Increase (compared to current patch)
0 300 0
1 261 0
2 209 27
3 167 39
4 133 43
5 107 44
6 86 42
7 68 37
8 55 34
9+ 50 33

This change should help somewhat with the proxy singed tactic, and give a team a few hundred extra gold when someone on the other team goes 0/10/x

Edit: Oh wow that formating :/ How do I fix that lol?

This is good. Currently it's really stupid how I can go like 8-0 in lane and the opposing laner basically just runs into the lane, farms everything and suicides, and then keeps on doing that, feeding me kills, and will only be like 50 minions behind by mid/lategame. The advantage isn't nearly as large as it should be.


Yeah. I personally think they should change the bounties and gold value reductions even more than this.

The preseason 3 patch reduces the amount of kills you needed for max bounty (from 9 to 4), how much each kill added to the bounty (from about 10% per kill, to 20% per kill), the max bounty (from 600 to 500) and how much gold value you lost from dying (from 9% for the first death, 21% for the rest, to 13% for the first, 30% for the rest).

I feel like these changes were a bit over the top, if at all necessary in the first place. The change in the next patch is a step in the right direction.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 09:45:00
June 20 2013 09:43 GMT
#2543
GOLD!

Lost 4 promotion series in a row, finally!

I can't now ever fall into silver again?

Oh and Pantheon seems to beat Elise, she cannot deal with the harrass and runs out of mana too fast it seems
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 09:47:15
June 20 2013 09:46 GMT
#2544
On June 20 2013 18:43 Shikyo wrote:
GOLD!

Lost 4 promotion series in a row, finally!

I can't now ever fall into silver again?

Oh and Pantheon seems to beat Elise, she cannot deal with the harrass and runs out of mana too fast it seems

Elise poops on Pantheon...

EDIT : Oh, we all knew Nunu was bullshit. But do you know what level of bullshit ?
Over the roof bullshit. It's not even imaginable.

Pick Nunu, open 9/0/21, buy boots/ward/2 pots, go ward ennemy blue with green ward. You can get first blooded for it, you don't care.
Come back at 1:55, flash over the wall (you don't have the right to WALK there, you NEED to flash for the style points), consume/smite, level up Blood Boil, walk away like a boss.
Go to his red. Use explorer ward to be safe. Wait for him to come to take it just before his eyes (moral matters).
Clear your buffs and counter-jungle yourself (just take big buffs). Back and buy mobi boots/wards. Continue ad vitam eternam.

My record was to put the ennemy jungler lvl4 at 11 minutes.
The legend of Darien lives on
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 09:50:34
June 20 2013 09:49 GMT
#2545
On June 20 2013 18:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 18:43 Shikyo wrote:
GOLD!

Lost 4 promotion series in a row, finally!

I can't now ever fall into silver again?

Oh and Pantheon seems to beat Elise, she cannot deal with the harrass and runs out of mana too fast it seems

Elise poops on Pantheon...

This true? O.o

I just threw spears and she got completely outharrassed, then when she's at like 40% she just dies during the stun without being able to retaliate at all. She also cannot sustain with her meleespiderthing even at her tower because she eats a QE in the face and that combination will destroy her pretty hard.

Of course it might have been just a baddie but it's the third time in a row it's been a freewin vs her and I just don't see her having many options.

@your edit:

What if the support places a pink at their blue after they first blood you when you place it?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 10:34:49
June 20 2013 09:49 GMT
#2546
Went to the point where I'm at 99 LP in Silver I gaining +0, and all of a sudden I go from Silver I-II and Gold V opponents to Gold III-IV opponents, woah. ôo

(On the plus side, I didn't do badly. Granted being last pick lets you laugh at their MF with Zyra.)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
June 20 2013 09:52 GMT
#2547
On June 20 2013 15:42 Seuss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 15:26 Slusher wrote:
I'm really sad that they are nerfing Jayce in the same patch as they nerf tear, if the tear changes go thru he'll strong but not first pick/ban, which is enough.


Tear changes were reverted on the PBE.

FYI, Surrender@20 now has a handy "Current PBE Changes" page which keeps a running tally for those who don't follow every single little change as it happens.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html


Good choice. The Tear change was retarded.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 10:19:28
June 20 2013 09:57 GMT
#2548
On June 20 2013 18:52 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 15:42 Seuss wrote:
On June 20 2013 15:26 Slusher wrote:
I'm really sad that they are nerfing Jayce in the same patch as they nerf tear, if the tear changes go thru he'll strong but not first pick/ban, which is enough.


Tear changes were reverted on the PBE.

FYI, Surrender@20 now has a handy "Current PBE Changes" page which keeps a running tally for those who don't follow every single little change as it happens.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/p/current-pbe-balance-changes.html


Good choice. The Tear change was retarded.

They could make it a unique passive that only triggers when Jayce buys a tear but stays normal for all other champions. Thoughts?

v Unfair? Remember it's Jayce.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 20 2013 10:02 GMT
#2549
seems kinda unfair that only one champs has a unique interaction with a certain item.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 20 2013 10:19 GMT
#2550
Oh just found out the VOD for my last Nunu game was already «cleanly cut» : http://www.twitch.tv/mr_tolkien/b/419087885

As said, 9/0/21, and go disrespect the other team.
The legend of Darien lives on
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
June 20 2013 10:26 GMT
#2551
On June 20 2013 19:02 AsnSensation wrote:
seems kinda unfair that only one champs has a unique interaction with a certain item.


It's unfair how quickly jayce can stack tear and how good muramana is on jayce. Unfair + unfair = fair?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 10:42:19
June 20 2013 10:34 GMT
#2552
On June 20 2013 19:02 AsnSensation wrote:
seems kinda unfair that only one champs has a unique interaction with a certain item.


You're gonna be pissed at the proposed Viktor changes then. I can't find them, but it's something like he will be able to merge an augment with another item and create a super item.

Edit: Found it
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
June 20 2013 10:35 GMT
#2553
On June 20 2013 19:26 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 19:02 AsnSensation wrote:
seems kinda unfair that only one champs has a unique interaction with a certain item.


It's unfair how quickly jayce can stack tear and how good muramana is on jayce. Unfair + unfair = fair?


I'm down to it if nidalee, elise get the same disadvantage.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
June 20 2013 10:38 GMT
#2554
On June 20 2013 19:34 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 19:02 AsnSensation wrote:
seems kinda unfair that only one champs has a unique interaction with a certain item.


You're gonna be pissed at the proposed Viktor changes then. I can't find them, but it's something like he will be able to merge an augment with another item and create a super item.

"Tier3 augment, which add a named passive on the hexcore (thus not staking with the original item proposing the passive obviously)" and he had ideas like Lichbane's passive on Death, Rylai's on Gravity and Liandry's on Power, something like that.
It's in Solcrushed's Viktor thread, and he put it as an idea in case we can't wait for s4 (because the way we'd be able to combine Viktor's augments doesn't exist in the shop yet and that's the kind of tech you don't add lightly).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
June 20 2013 10:48 GMT
#2555
On June 20 2013 19:38 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 19:34 JonGalt wrote:
On June 20 2013 19:02 AsnSensation wrote:
seems kinda unfair that only one champs has a unique interaction with a certain item.


You're gonna be pissed at the proposed Viktor changes then. I can't find them, but it's something like he will be able to merge an augment with another item and create a super item.

"Tier3 augment, which add a named passive on the hexcore (thus not staking with the original item proposing the passive obviously)" and he had ideas like Lichbane's passive on Death, Rylai's on Gravity and Liandry's on Power, something like that.
It's in Solcrushed's Viktor thread, and he put it as an idea in case we can't wait for s4 (because the way we'd be able to combine Viktor's augments doesn't exist in the shop yet and that's the kind of tech you don't add lightly).

While it may legitimately take time to make, the technology is there. The way you say it makes it sound like being able to combing hextech with another item would be a revolution in programming.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
June 20 2013 10:52 GMT
#2556
On June 20 2013 19:19 mr_tolkien wrote:
Oh just found out the VOD for my last Nunu game was already «cleanly cut» : http://www.twitch.tv/mr_tolkien/b/419087885

As said, 9/0/21, and go disrespect the other team.


As onesided as that was, I feel like you could have been in his jungle even more in the early stages of the game. As long as amumu is lvl1, he cant do anything to you. So even if lux or quinn comes, you just run away because it's pretty much a 1v1 (lvl 1 amumu doesn't count. I've been lvl 11-12 versus lvl 4-5 sometimes by just living in their jungle and letting my own team take my small camps.

What's the program that edited the announcer btw? It's cool :D
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
June 20 2013 10:55 GMT
#2557
"@ChaoxLoL: On the way back to the States.This trip has been a titanic experience. Announcement inc once I'm back."

Crs.Chaox? I don't know what other team in NA would possibly replace their ADC. Maybe he will be a caster or analyst? Speculations?
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 10:57:48
June 20 2013 10:55 GMT
#2558
The problem is that Viktor can only expand his own Hexcore atm, and not buy another one. So every new augment would be a recipe built directly from only one: for augment A+B, if you have A you can't buy B and vice-versa, so you need to create the item A -> A+B and the item B -> B+A, and do this for each possibility.
You end up with creating 16 items (and their build paths) instead of 8 (including the original Hexcore), that's pretty... unclean. And you'd rather avoid that.

It's not that the technology would be a huge breakthrough, but it'd be messing with the shop and other stuff that they'd rather not do during a season, tho I can't remember if he said it was because of stability being important, or because such changes are usually kept to inter-seasons wrt internal plannings.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Solaris.playgu
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Sweden480 Posts
June 20 2013 10:57 GMT
#2559
On June 20 2013 18:03 JonGalt wrote:
Isn't it confusing because Seuss's IGN is Monte? He was confused for a second because he read the post as himself being hired as an analyst? That's my guess at least.

And he said the tolkien's knew what he was talking about because they sometimes see the other tolkien post and for half a second they think it was themselves or something similar.

That seems really poorly worded, but I hope that clears up the confusion. I could be totally wrong and just as confused as everyone else too.

ALSO. School's out for winter break! Swoooooo!


SOMEONE, HIRE THIS MAN AS AN ANALYST!
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
June 20 2013 11:04 GMT
#2560
On June 20 2013 19:52 zodde wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 19:19 mr_tolkien wrote:
Oh just found out the VOD for my last Nunu game was already «cleanly cut» : http://www.twitch.tv/mr_tolkien/b/419087885

As said, 9/0/21, and go disrespect the other team.


As onesided as that was, I feel like you could have been in his jungle even more in the early stages of the game. As long as amumu is lvl1, he cant do anything to you. So even if lux or quinn comes, you just run away because it's pretty much a 1v1 (lvl 1 amumu doesn't count. I've been lvl 11-12 versus lvl 4-5 sometimes by just living in their jungle and letting my own team take my small camps.

What's the program that edited the announcer btw? It's cool :D

Yeah for Lux, but it's Quinn I was more worried about. She got a kill on Udyr early and I had no flash, so I really didn't want to risk giving her a double kill. A little bit of safety is never bad, and, well, they didn't get ONE buff in the game :D

For the announcer, it's http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2629223
The «cocococococombo breaker» instead of shutdowns is just so awesome <3
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